What is John Skelton doing this week?

[Russ Smith]

So Whiz put personal frustration before what was best for the team?

Figures. Skelton would give this team a better chance to win than Lindley even if he only knew 50% if the playboom.

Sheesh...thank goodness that circus left town

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Sure, he tried to send a message to Skelton. He benched him, then gave him the start against Seattle and look how that turned out?

Yes Skelton was better than Lindley but if you keep putting a guy out there who's supposed to be the starter, but doesn't know the plays 10 weeks into the season, what message do you send to the rest of the team?

 

[Russ Smith]

Seems to me that Whiz was sunk as soon as he went with Kolb to begin with and failed to improve the OL. When Levi went down (or the OL just stunk) and Kolb got hurt (due to OL and holding the ball too long) whiz was forced to go with Skelton who was trying to live off whatever success he may have had before. Having to go with a QB who wouldn't learn the offense was going to fail whether they failed with Skelton or failed miserably with Lindley. Whiz was a goner long before Lindley played. My opinions.

Remember though, he didn't go with Kolb, he went with Skelton. People forget Skelton was the starter, got hurt, and then Kolb took over.

It wasn't a case of a guy not expecting to play and then suddenly being thrown in. And when Skelton was out hurt wouldn't that be a good time to spend even more time learning the offense?

I harped on it week after week Floyd was driving me nuts constantly being lined up wrong and Kolb kept moving him. Then Kolb got hurt and suddenly it seemed Floyd had learned the plays. I mentioned it a few times, at least he finally knows how to line up.

Problem was he didn't, it was just that we had a different QB in and he wasn't moving Floyd when Floyd lined up wrong.

Skelton had to play before he was 100% recovered, we all remember that ridiculous play call where Skelton tried to run on one leg because it seemed like Whiz forgot Kolb wasn't in. But again that has nothing to do with knowing the offense.

When the OL fell apart we started going to shorter and shorter drops and routes, that put the emphasis on completion %, if the passes are shorter you have to complete more to move the chains. Neither Skelton or especially Lindley could do that.

So we had a QB who couldn't stay healthy, got sacked too much and couldn't throw a seam pass to save his life, and we had 2 other guys with great arms but no idea where it was going

 

[Mulli]

Remember though, he didn't go with Kolb, he went with Skelton. People forget Skelton was the starter, got hurt, and then Kolb took over.

It wasn't a case of a guy not expecting to play and then suddenly being thrown in. And when Skelton was out hurt wouldn't that be a good time to spend even more time learning the offense?

I harped on it week after week Floyd was driving me nuts constantly being lined up wrong and Kolb kept moving him. Then Kolb got hurt and suddenly it seemed Floyd had learned the plays. I mentioned it a few times, at least he finally knows how to line up.

Problem was he didn't, it was just that we had a different QB in and he wasn't moving Floyd when Floyd lined up wrong.

Skelton had to play before he was 100% recovered, we all remember that ridiculous play call where Skelton tried to run on one leg because it seemed like Whiz forgot Kolb wasn't in. But again that has nothing to do with knowing the offense.

When the OL fell apart we started going to shorter and shorter drops and routes, that put the emphasis on completion %, if the passes are shorter you have to complete more to move the chains. Neither Skelton or especially Lindley could do that.

So we had a QB who couldn't stay healthy, got sacked too much and couldn't throw a seam pass to save his life, and we had 2 other guys with great arms but no idea where it was going

I was sort of mashing both of Kolb's years together.

 

[Phrazbit]

I was sort of mashing both of Kolb's years together.

Mashing?! Just typing that sentence probably caused a couple of his ribs to go.

 

[Darkside]

So Whiz put personal frustration before what was best for the team?

Figures. Skelton would give this team a better chance to win than Lindley even if he only knew 50% if the playboom.

Sheesh...thank goodness that circus left town

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I think Whis had personality issues starting with the Matt Leinart. He railed against the perception of having a "pretty boy" having the job handed to him--Warner was more his type of grinder. Then they throw money at Kolb and Whisenhunt tried, again, to show that nobody gets handed the starting job, regardless of money or entitlement.

Had more to do with building his type of team and less about winning in my opinion. He started to come off as inconsistent and less than truthful.

 

[Mulli]

I think Whis had personality issues starting with the Matt Leinart. He railed against the perception of having a "pretty boy" having the job handed to him--Warner was more his type of grinder. Then they throw money at Kolb and Whisenhunt tried, again, to show that nobody gets handed the starting job, regardless of money or entitlement.

Had more to do with building his type of team and less about winning in my opinion. He started to come off as inconsistent and less than truthful.

No need to discuss the possibility of Leinart "winning" especially since his injuries and recent "performance."

 

[Russ Smith]

I think Whis had personality issues starting with the Matt Leinart. He railed against the perception of having a "pretty boy" having the job handed to him--Warner was more his type of grinder. Then they throw money at Kolb and Whisenhunt tried, again, to show that nobody gets handed the starting job, regardless of money or entitlement.

Had more to do with building his type of team and less about winning in my opinion. He started to come off as inconsistent and less than truthful.

I think 2 things happen when a coach is in the position Whiz was last year. #1 they lose the fear of being fired because they know if they keep losing they're going to get fired anyways.

And they have to deal with do I make decisions for the short or long term. If I can win 2 more games but at the expense of some young guys getting reps, is that fair and will it save my job.

So in that sense I think Whiz did some things the Cards should be happy about. He didn't bury Massie when he played badly early, and he got better. he gave Potter reps late in the season when he wasn't physically ready, which helped the Cards get a read on Potter. And he played Lindley when he shouldn't have been on the field, and gave the Cards some idea on all 3 of the QB's. That helped Arians IMO because he didn't have to just go off pre season tape and what he saw in practices, he had actual game footage to look at.

the argument is we would have been better with Skelton than Lindley and I agree, but we were still going to be bad, Whiz was still probably going to get fired, and quite frankly I think Skelton was still going to get released.

The problem with Whiz was replacing Warner years ago, didn't see it coming fast enough and didn't draft etc for it and got caught out. That ultimately cost him his job, and that's why guys like Kolb, Skelton and Lindley took so many snaps last year.

 

[D-Dogg]

Seems to me that Whiz was sunk as soon as he went with Kolb to begin with and failed to improve the OL. When Levi went down (or the OL just stunk) and Kolb got hurt (due to OL and holding the ball too long) whiz was forced to go with Skelton who was trying to live off whatever success he may have had before. Having to go with a QB who wouldn't learn the offense was going to fail whether they failed with Skelton or failed miserably with Lindley. Whiz was a goner long before Lindley played. My opinions.

Whiz was sunk when he put all his eggs in Derek Anderson's basket and went from having two below average QBs to 1 below avg QB, Max Hall and a big dumb rookie. It was the beginning of the QB shell game and the first crack in the armor of him being good at evaluating/coaching that position. "Trust me, DA is good. We can fix him. Trust me...Max Hall can do it. Trust me, Skelton is the man. Trust me, Kolb can be the guy here. Trust me, we still have Skelton, and he earned the starting job over Kolb. Trust me, Kolb is the guy. Trust me, Skelton is ready to play. Trust me, Lindley gives us the better chance to win."

The trust ran out...and it started with a bold move to dump Leinart and roll with an even more crappy option while killing the team depth.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Whiz was sunk when Rod Graves got his contract extension.

 

[Mulli]

Whiz was sunk when he put all his eggs in Derek Anderson's basket and went from having two below average QBs to 1 below avg QB, Max Hall and a big dumb rookie. It was the beginning of the QB shell game and the first crack in the armor of him being good at evaluating/coaching that position. "Trust me, DA is good. We can fix him. Trust me...Max Hall can do it. Trust me, Skelton is the man. Trust me, Kolb can be the guy here. Trust me, we still have Skelton, and he earned the starting job over Kolb. Trust me, Kolb is the guy. Trust me, Skelton is ready to play. Trust me, Lindley gives us the better chance to win."

The trust ran out...and it started with a bold move to dump Leinart and roll with an even more crappy option while killing the team depth.

This guy gets better and better the less he plays.

 

[Mulli]

Yes, we need to rehash this. Leinart was going to be all UniveRsE. 99/100.

 

[D-Dogg]

This guy gets better and better the less he plays.

Red x is a heck of a player.

Yes, we need to rehash this. Leinart was going to be all UniveRsE. 99/100.

No, he wasn't. But he was equally as bad as, and probably not as bad as, Derek Anderson. The handling of the entire situation was when Whis started looking like a guy not in control. I could understand it if there was a good QB to go to, but Whis chose diarrhea over constipation...not much difference and both annoyingly painful craps. There really wasn't a choice. DA was so effing terrible he made Leinart look good, and then we had Max Hall ride in on his white pony to save the day. Really Whis? That was the master plan? Cut a crappy QB to start an even crappier QB and erode the depth to where we prayed that Max Effing Hall was more than an Eagle Scout badge away from the playoffs?

That was easily the beginning of Whis' tailspin from statue outside the stadium to packing the bags.

 

[cardncubfan]

Red x is a heck of a player.



No, he wasn't. But he was equally as bad as, and probably not as bad as, Derek Anderson. The handling of the entire situation was when Whis started looking like a guy not in control. I could understand it if there was a good QB to go to, but Whis chose diarrhea over constipation...not much difference and both annoyingly painful craps. There really wasn't a choice. DA was so effing terrible he made Leinart look good, and then we had Max Hall ride in on his white pony to save the day. Really Whis? That was the master plan? Cut a crappy QB to start an even crappier QB and erode the depth to where we prayed that Max Effing Hall was more than an Eagle Scout badge away from the playoffs?

That was easily the beginning of Whis' tailspin from statue outside the stadium to packing the bags.

Agreed but I think Leinart is a little better than constipation.

 

[Phrazbit]

This guy gets better and better the less he plays.

I dont anyone is claiming Matt is anything but a lousy QB, but that still makes him better than the alternatives of the time.

I for one could have lived without the Derek Anderson era, even if it meant another year of watching Matt go 13 -18 for 96 yards.

 

[PDXChris]

Mike Jurecki ‏@mikejurecki 5m #CFL Blue Bombers to start No. 3 quarterback Max Hall. http://www.sportsnet.ca/football/cfl/bombers-to-start-no-3-quarterback-hall-vs-ticats/ …

I blame us for talking about him.

 

[Mulli]

Ok, I agree with everything everyone says about Leinart, DA, Max Hall, blah blah blah.

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[Duckjake]

Yes, we need to rehash this. Leinart was going to be all UniveRsE. 99/100.

But we'll never know how Leinart would have performed in a system, that worked, that he had been in for 3 years with receivers he had been around for awhile as opposed to going to a new team with an established #1 QB and a different offense.

But it doesn't really matter. 5-11 with 'em. 5-11 without 'em.

 

[Mulli]

But we'll never know how Leinart would have performed in a system, that worked, that he had been in for 3 years with receivers he had been around for awhile as opposed to going to a new team with an established #1 QB and a different offense.

But it doesn't really matter. 5-11 with 'em. 5-11 without 'em.

Ya, we won't know how well he would have done in a perfect situation. And, heck no, it doesn't matter.

 

[Duckjake]

Ya, we won't know how well he would have done in a perfect situation. And, heck no, it doesn't matter.

Maybe like Warner who was in his 4th year of working with Fitz and Boldin when the Cards went to the SB.

 

[Mulli]

Maybe like Warner who was in his 4th year of working with Fitz and Boldin when the Cards went to the SB.

Instead of arguing this for the 100th time, I am going to check down and say nothing.

 

[Duckjake]

Instead of arguing this for the 100th time, I am going to check down and say nothing.

Leinart's average yards per completion as a Cardinal was 11.5

 

[Mulli]

Leinart's average yards per completion as a Cardinal was 11.5

Yes, we can compare that stat to Warner's and see that Leinart would have done just as well.

woo hoo

 

[Duckjake]

Yes, we can compare that stat to Warner's and see that Leinart would have done just as well.

woo hoo

11.6 not as cool as 11.5 but Warner was on the team when the Cards finished 5-11 in both 2005 and 2006 so he wins.

 

[Mulli]

11.6 not as cool as 11.5 but Warner was on the team when the Cards finished 5-11 in both 2005 and 2006 so he wins.

And if we look at how both finished their NFL careers, Warner wins again.

 

[D-Dogg]

And if we look at how both finished their NFL careers, Warner wins again.

I don't know...Matt made millions and played hardly at all. Kurt got brainscrambles on the regular.