What is taking so long??

[jrjbritt]

Why isn's C. Campbell resigned by nowin order to lower his cap hit and GET Kameron Wimbley in and signed. Both of these moves would upgrade out front 7.... Get it done Rod Graves.... I like what were doing with the O-Line.. Now we just need to find a quaility O-line Coach.. Russ Grimm hasn't done anything impressive since he has been here... Hit the road and bring in an upgrade.

Let Go Cardinals.

 

[Phrazbit]

Somers tweeted on the 15th the Graves was on the toilet and expected to remain there for 2-3 weeks.

 

[azsportsfan01]

Well it takes 2 to tango so let's not assume the Cards are sitting on their hands.

 

[Red Dawn]

Russ Grimm hasn't done anything impressive since he has been here.

That's not true, I heard he did the Blazing Wings challenge at Buffalo Wild Wings twice in 15 minutes.

 

[Stout]

I'm not going to criticize the lack of FA activity this offseason, because we shouldn't be making major splashes this time around--not needed (Manning would have been welcome, but not our fault we didn't land him). That said, we have seen quite a few teams pen their players to new extensions. We have one guy--one--that really needs it, and can't seem to get it done. Symptomatic of our FO--we make strides in certain areas, yet remain woefully inadequate in others.

 

[52brandon]

Why isn's C. Campbell resigned by nowin order to lower his cap hit and GET Kameron Wimbley in and signed. Both of these moves would upgrade out front 7.... Get it done Rod Graves.... I like what were doing with the O-Line.. Now we just need to find a quaility O-line Coach.. Russ Grimm hasn't done anything impressive since he has been here... Hit the road and bring in an upgrade.

Let Go Cardinals.

we only replaced 1 guy...

 

[desertdawg]

I'm not going to criticize the lack of FA activity this offseason, because we shouldn't be making major splashes this time around--not needed (Manning would have been welcome, but not our fault we didn't land him). That said, we have seen quite a few teams pen their players to new extensions. We have one guy--one--that really needs it, and can't seem to get it done. Symptomatic of our FO--we make strides in certain areas, yet remain woefully inadequate in others.

I can ching ching with that.

 

[Cardinals.Ken]

Taking too long?

It's only friggin March!

God forbid that I ever sound like the voice of reason...but get a grip people!

 

[O]

Taking too long?

It's only friggin March!

God forbid that I ever sound like the voice of reason...but get a grip people!

 

[52brandon]

Taking too long?

It's only friggin March!

God forbid that I ever sound like the voice of reason...but get a grip people!

early bird gets the worm

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Taking too long?

It's only friggin March!

God forbid that I ever sound like the voice of reason...but get a grip people!

A few things, while it's only March, we'll likley still be talking about it next March as well and, secondly, Campbell getting a new deal would lower his cap number and aid the Cards in free agency this year.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Well it takes 2 to tango so let's not assume the Cards are sitting on their hands.

Even though over the century long history of the Cardinals organization would suggest they are ? It is not like this would be out of the ordinary for this organization.

There is no excuse for not taking care of Campbell. It is not like they are signing anyone else right now anyway. For other free agents they will wait, which is fine by me.

 

[LarryStalling]

Anyone ever stop and think that maybe Calais does not want a new deal that is less than what he is making. After all, look at the deal that Mario Williams got and why would he settle for a deal less attractive than what he is currently making which is a fraction of the deal of Williams. We consider him a upper tier de and why would he not consider himself the same. Now the blame can be put on the front office for not getting the deal done before free agency. I think signing Calais for a number less than the franchise tag will be difficult and next to impossible because of Mario Williams's deal.

 

[JeffGollin]

One of our "pass rushing specialists" (Joey P) was on NFLN commenting on Manning, Tebow, Miami etc. with Warren Sapp - looked kind of bulky in that gray suit. Wonder if he was auditioning for Life After FB.

 

[Stout]

Taking too long?

It's only friggin March!

God forbid that I ever sound like the voice of reason...but get a grip people!

And my confidence that we'll sign a franchised player after he's gotten the tag is ZILCH. We've proven we are completely inept in negotiating with tagged players in the past. So, I guess I should get a grip...we already know he won't get extended, right?

Like I said, we improve in certain areas, and not in others, our FO.

 

[football karma]

And my confidence that we'll sign a franchised player after he's gotten the tag is ZILCH. We've proven we are completely inept in negotiating with tagged players in the past. So, I guess I should get a grip...we already know he won't get extended, right?

Like I said, we improve in certain areas, and not in others, our FO.

one thing has changed with the new CBA that works in teams favor: the franchise tag for many positions isnt as ridiculously expensive as it once was.

It just gives a little extra push to get a long term deal done

we will see if that extra push does it

 

[BigRedRage]

Do not place unrealistic expectations on people and you will spend far less time being dissapointed.

 

[azsportsfan01]

Even though over the century long history of the Cardinals organization would suggest they are ? It is not like this would be out of the ordinary for this organization.

There is no excuse for not taking care of Campbell. It is not like they are signing anyone else right now anyway. For other free agents they will wait, which is fine by me.

This is what I don't understand. Have you been in the negotiating room with every player over the long history of the Cardinals? Remember Dansby, we offered the same contract as the Dolphins. Maybe Campbell is asking for $150 mil and we are offering $120. Are we being stupid because we wouldn't go all the way to his demands? Remember when Kurt Warner was trying to get every last cent he could and took a trip to San Fran? I know most people's first thought is to side with the players but management has to think what is best long term for the franchise. If we kept Dansby, Rolle, and Boldin like everyone wanted then we wouldn't have the room for Fitz or Campbell. As I said before, it takes 2 to tango. If one side isn't open to dancing the other can't dance.

 

[Duckjake]

one thing has changed with the new CBA that works in teams favor: the franchise tag for many positions isnt as ridiculously expensive as it once was.

It just gives a little extra push to get a long term deal done

we will see if that extra push does it

Campbell gets what? $11 million guaranteed for one year. So where would the Cards have to start with a signing bonus to balance the risk CC takes that he might get a career ending or talent lessening injury in 2012? $20-25million?

I still think the Bidwills have trouble coming up with the cash for signing bonuses that have to be paid right away so don't have much faith in a deal getting done with Campbell any time soon that includes a large up front bonus.

 

[Nate Andews]

Campbell gets what? $11 million guaranteed for one year. So where would the Cards have to start with a signing bonus to balance the risk CC takes that he might get a career ending or talent lessening injury in 2012? $20-25million?

I still think the Bidwills have trouble coming up with the cash for signing bonuses that have to be paid right away so don't have much faith in a deal getting done with Campbell any time soon that includes a large up front bonus.

Bingo, You have to be a Billionare to play at this level. Large signing bonuses talk. Everything else walks.

 

[JAB]

I still think the Bidwills have trouble coming up with the cash for signing bonuses that have to be paid right away so don't have much faith in a deal getting done with Campbell any time soon that includes a large up front bonus.

Bingo, You have to be a Billionare to play at this level. Large signing bonuses talk. Everything else walks.

Well, let me put your mind at ease signing bonuses do not have to be paid in full up front. Signing bonuses "can" be spread out over the length of the contract in equal parts not only in cap dollars but in cash out each year as well. Our organization has taken that route in the past it gives them the option to pay the cash after bringing in the revenue each season. Kurt Warner's contract is a example. We rarely hear about these things but it was made public due to his retirement.

 

[Duckjake]

Well, let me put your mind at ease signing bonuses do not have to be paid in full up front. Signing bonuses "can" be spread out over the length of the contract in equal parts not only in cap dollars but in cash out each year as well. Our organization has taken that route in the past it gives them the option to pay the cash after bringing in the revenue each season. Kurt Warner's contract is a example. We rarely hear about these things but it was made public due to his retirement.

Interesting. Where did you find that information? I'd like to read up on it because I was under the impression that almost all signing bonuses were due at once and that was why teams sometimes included other easily met bonuses to spread out the cash outlay. It's why the franchise tag helps cash flow because it is salary and paid out weekly during the season. I was also told years ago by a guy close to the Cardinals that one reason they had trouble getting their 1st round picks signed in time for Camp was that the Bidwills had to wait until the TV money came in to pay the bonuses.

Bill Polian even commented in an interview once that one of the hardest things a FO has to do is manage the cash available to pay signing bonuses.

 

[JAB]

Interesting. Where did you find that information? I'd like to read up on it because I was under the impression that almost all signing bonuses were due at once and that was why teams sometimes included other easily met bonuses to spread out the cash outlay. It's why the franchise tag helps cash flow because it is salary and paid out weekly during the season. I was also told years ago by a guy close to the Cardinals that one reason they had trouble getting their 1st round picks signed in time for Camp was that the Bidwills had to wait until the TV money came in to pay the bonuses.

Bill Polian even commented in an interview once that one of the hardest things a FO has to do is manage the cash available to pay signing bonuses.

I don't have the link's to this information anymore. It all came out when Kurt Warner retired. Darren Urban wrote an article concerning Kurt Warner signing bonus. You may remember there was a debate maybe not on this forum but on the AZCardinals forum of whether or not the Cardinals organization was going to ask for part of Warner's signing bonus back. You had of course the Bidwill haters that thought they would go after the money because they're cheap. Anyways to make a long story short it came out through Darren Urban that the organization wrote the contract to pay him his signing bonus in two parts due to the fact it was a two-year contract. He was to receive half of his signing bonus the first year and the second half the second year. As we all know he retired and Darren Urban reported the Cardinals organization did not have to go after or pay Warner the rest of his signing bonus because he retired and they had not written that check yet. We then found out a player can choose to have his signing bonus spread out over the length of his contract if the player chooses to and that it's been done that way in the past. Most signing bonuses are paid upfront. But the fact that they are guaranteed whether you cut the player or their injured leaves the option for an organization and a player to agree to receive their signing bonus in installments instead of one lump sum. As we've also learned with the so-called 21 million in guaranteed money Kolb was reported wasn't really 21 million guaranteed. There is a lot organizations do with contracts that were not made aware of. I blame it on what I call entertainment sports journalism. It's more sexy to just put it out there without really knowing or reporting the exact details. Nevertheless a team can have a player if siad player is willing to spread out the signing bonus over the length of their contract.

 

[Duckjake]

Thanks for the information. There's always a lot of things that we don't hear about until years later. I call it the NFL's version of Omerta.

 

[SissyBoyFloyd]

It is not like Campbell needs the money. Hell, he must make hundreds of millions off his soup.