What pick would you need to get to trade Josh Rosen or is he completely off the table?

[cardsunsfan]

The more I think about it I would pass on #15 which seems the highest option these days unless it is the Redskins 1st & 2nd which doesn't sound likely... I think it would need to be top #6 for me and I would still think hard.. Some have the Raiders taking Drew Lock now at #4? Are they so sure Lock is better than Rosen? Alot of "experts" feel that this qb class would have been picked after Rosen last year. If they think his struggles were based on the Cardinals or just being a Rookie "ala Peyton his first year"

Are most people on this board completely against trading Rosen or is it because they don't think they'll get much for him?

 

[cardsunsfan]

Any way to delete this? I decided to do a Poll instead..

 

[PACardsFan]

The more I think about it I would pass on #15 which seems the highest option these days unless it is the Redskins 1st & 2nd which doesn't sound likely... I think it would need to be top #6 for me and I would still think hard.. Some have the Raiders taking Drew Lock now at #4? Are they so sure Lock is better than Rosen? Alot of "experts" feel that this qb class would have been picked after Rosen last year. If they think his struggles were based on the Cardinals or just being a Rookie "ala Peyton his first year"

Are most people on this board completely against trading Rosen or is it because they don't think they'll get much for him?

Rosen would be the 4th QB taken if he were in THIS years draft. That's what I've heard said.

 

[JeffGollin]

Without a direct comparison of Rosen or Murray, all we have to go on is a lot of contradictory stuff being spun by the media.

It all boils down to (a) do we keep one guy and trade the other? (b) do we keep the other guy and pass on the first guy? (c) do we keep both? (d) do we trade both and obtain a veteran signal caller? (Based on incomplete info, I don't favor any one strategy - but, IMO, those are our options).

Until we get to see 10 or more minutes of footage comparing release-quickness, mobility, short-yardage zip, decisionmaking, how they handle a pass rush, deep ball accuracy, playmaking ability, handling pressure etc. it's difficult to evaluate which direction will work best. (That's what Michael B pays KK and SK to do).

So far, the new regime has done little if anything to make me feel confident they have all the answers. All we fans have is the hope that KK, SK and MB have the right answers and are pushing the right buttons.

 

[Heucrazy]

Rosen would be the 4th QB taken if he were in THIS years draft. That's what I've heard said.

I’ve heard the exact opposite and that he would be the #1 QB this year.

 

[DVontel]

Rosen would be the 4th QB taken if he were in THIS years draft. That's what I've heard said.

Or you just want to believe that.

 

[oaken1]

Rosen would be the 4th QB taken if he were in THIS years draft. That's what I've heard said.

hear that in your dining room?
Rosen would be first in this draft...hands down.

 

[slanidrac16]

Opinions are like buttholes...we , and everyone in the media has one. We have to keep our heads a remember no matter who says what doesn’t mean they are right. If it was a perfect science every player in the first 3 rounds would enjoy a 10 year career in the nfl. By the way I don’t want to trade Rosen and what I would expect in return would be more than anybody would give.

 

[overseascardfan]

I’ve heard the exact opposite and that he would be the #1 QB this year.

Me too.

 

[Shane]

Rosen would be the 4th QB taken if he were in THIS years draft. That's what I've heard said.

By who? Every expert I’ve heard said hed be number one

 

[Dr. Jones]

I think that it will have to wait until the draft day is upon us.

Here is how it plays out in my head:

We take Murray

• Dolphins, Skins, Broncos, or Jags then move up in a trade for pick 4.
• Haskins and Murray are now off the board and the Giants (or whomever doesn't trade up for Haskins) start sweating.
• We then offer Josh to the Giants, Jags, Broncos, Dolphins, & Skins for their #1. Who wouldn't take that trade? The press conf would be bonkers. Our #1 still has 4 years left on his rookie deal! And we don't have to pay a signing bonus or chew up our cap with a 20 million dollar salary! Someone will bite IMO

If that doesn't happen. Then we go forward with a Brady / Jimmy G scenario. It's not like they will cost us much and then they can compete for the job. Trade the loser for capital next year.

I personally will be fine with any 1st rounder, followed by a very high second rounder. I would also do a "Next Year's #1" option if is presents itself in the right situation.

We will get good compensation for Rosen. And I think the Broncos, Jags or Dolphins will be the ones who succumb to institutional pressure and bite on a deal. They all need someone long term and will love that he is coming so cheap to them.

 

[slanidrac16]

I think that it will have to wait until the draft day is upon us.

Here is how it plays out in my head:

We take Murray

• Dolphins, Skins, Broncos, or Jags then move up in a trade for pick 4.
• Haskins and Murray are now off the board and the Giants (or whomever doesn't trade up for Haskins) start sweating.
• We then offer Josh to the Giants, Jags, Broncos, Dolphins, & Skins for their #1. Who wouldn't take that trade? The press conf would be bonkers. Our #1 still has 4 years left on his rookie deal! And we don't have to pay a signing bonus or chew up our cap with a 20 million dollar salary! Someone will bite IMO

If that doesn't happen. Then we go forward with a Brady / Jimmy G scenario. It's not like they will cost us much and then they can compete for the job. Trade the loser for capital next year.

I personally will be fine with any 1st rounder, followed by a very high second rounder. I would also do a "Next Year's #1" option if is presents itself in the right situation.

We will get good compensation for Rosen. And I think the Broncos, Jags or Dolphins will be the ones who succumb to institutional pressure and bite on a deal. They all need someone long term and will love that he is coming so cheap to them.

. And Bosa terrorizes is for the next 10 years.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

We drafted him at #10 so, #10 or higher...but maybe 12...

 

[Dr. Jones]

. And Bosa terrorizes is for the next 10 years.

Meh... He could be Mack, or he could be clowney. No one knows for sure

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[Dr. Jones]

Meh... He could be Mack, or he could be clowney. No one knows for sure

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Same as Murray v Rosen by the way.

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[juza76]

Meh... He could be Mack, or he could be clowney. No one knows for sure

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or he can follow the family saga and being more injured rather then healthy

 

[juza76]

Same as Murray v Rosen by the way.

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murray is more accurate and has another level of mobility, odds having him with much more chance to succeed

 

[JosiahLee]

Nothing less than a first, regardless of pundits saying nothing higher than a third.

The argument is he had a year of experience under his belt and his dirt cheap for the next 3 years. I would literally hang up on other GMs if their offer was a third.

 

[Jetstream Green]

I would have him off the table, because like any player at a very important position you intend to keep while at a young age, you sure the hell do not play "we might trade you" scenarios so freaking early with actual intent (I am not talking about bluffing, which is what I think the Cardinals are dong). Come on, yeah I know the whole "you are a pro and should not be in this league if you cannot see it's business" but I am not talking about hearing the ruse talk if the Cardinals have told you will hear a lot of stuff and do not believe it, I am talking about if the Cardinals actually are considering moving him for Murray. You see your QB is the leader of your team, the identity in the win/lose column, why such a huge emphasis is placed on character and why we have posts about such things. This character issue goes both ways, player and front office. You do not back stab a young kid with the insult of truthfully possibly consider trading him this early, because you are then openly telling the guy we do not believe in you as a long term answer. These guys are actual human beings and being young makes you impressionable on how you view people around you, view a team which is going to then ask you to make sacrifices for the team to win and to accept that you have to believe they are fully into you because the QB position carries a whole lot more responsibilities of carrying the team on your back if you want to be the franchise guy

 

[slanidrac16]

Same as Murray v Rosen by the way.

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At least you’re being objective!

 

[TJ]

Rosen would be the 4th QB taken if he were in THIS years draft. That's what I've heard said.

That would be the first time I’ve heard that.

I’ve read that Murray would be, at best, the 4th rated QB in last season’s draft class and Rosen would be the clear #1 this year.

 

[TJ]

I’d only give up Rosen for the #1 pick this season....

Ohh wait, we have the #1 pick this season!

Just draft Bosa.

 

[Totally_Red]

I'd trade him for #13 or #15 overall. Anything less than that and I draft Bosa and hold on to him. Bosa is close to a sure thing. Murray might be the next Russell Wilson*or* not.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Rosen would be the 4th QB taken if he were in THIS years draft. That's what I've heard said.

Where? That's BS.

 

[Krangodnzr]

I'm evolving on my view of the Murray situation a bit and heres why:

The Cardinals have already gone unconventional with their coaching hire. If Kliff and Keim think that Murray is the best fit to make this offense work, they really have to think about taking him. The reason I'm shifting a bit was hearing Zierlein talk on the radio. This isn't an indictment of Rosen at all. Rosen is the more traditional NFL fit, but Murray will likely fit better with what Kliff wants to do.

RPOs, mobility, and I do agree that he has a winners pedigree. It sounds like he is a leader like Larry, not a rah rah kind of guy, but the type that you see him work hard, you see him balling out and you follow him.

But the key to me is getting good compensation for Rosen. If the Cardinals are offered a 1st and another pick, I probably take it. Someone like Brian Burns could be the pick later in the draft.

On a sidenote, one thing that Zierlein said that was interesting was that he thought that N'Keal Harry didn't try to be a great route runner in college and that he straight up knew he could win with bully ball, winning 50/50 catches all of the time. He said he thought Harry can get much better as a route runner.