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Despite the poor tackling and overall play by the defensive line last Sunday, the offensive line is still the team’s biggest weakness. Whether it’s pass rushers treating the tackles like the pylon drill or Sendlein or Lutui collecting their usual set of penalties, this line doesn’t work. The Cards rarely have the time to throw deep. Pass rushes often result in Warner fumbles or errant throws. Yes, the line has continuity – it just doesn’t have enough talent. As for run blocking, they rarely provide a decent hole. They can drive block a little, but the talent ends there. When’s the last time you saw someone pull and lead a play? The line’s flaws have been magnified as wear and tear has taken a toll on Gandy. Brown just never had the feet. As an aside, Mr. Grimm has done little to improve this situation. If he can’t get these players to perform better (I think talent is an issue), he should be demanding better material with which to work. Graves should get most of the heat for not addressing this earlier in last year’s deep draft pool or free agency. The latter had several short-term options.

As for the running game, the coaching staff doesn’t get it. Tim Hightower is not an NFL starting running back. He’s fine on third down as an outlet option and in short yardage – think Larry Centers. Running him on first down typically results in second and eight. Yes, there is the risk of Wells turning over the ball. He won’t learn how not to by sitting on the bench. He is the only running back who makes play action credible. Why draft him if you’re not going to play him? Wells has to play if this team is going any further than a possible 8-8 playoff berth and that’s no certainty. Smith is playing remarkably well for the Niners and Crabtree has added a viable threat.

By the way, I haven’t seen much from another former Pittsburgh coach, Kevin Spencer, Special Teams. Yes, he has the best kickers in the league with whom to work, but the field position his return units have provided is marginal in too many games. As far as the return units, you haven’t seen anyone kicking away from the Cards’ return men. Much of this certainly again falls on Rod Graves who seemingly has missed the importance of the position in today’s NFL. With the possible exception of Breaston, the Cards have failed to take one of the many potent collegiate returners in the last several drafts and again ignored all free agent options. One good punt return is often worth a half dozen decent offensive plays. Better field position opens up the play book more. Nothing swings momentum like a big return.

The Cards’ problems on defense are fairly simple. Graves has allowed the outside linebacking unit to get old (yes I recall the injury – that’s why one young player isn’t enough). This group figures to slow or get more injured as the season wears toward the latter stages. The absence of a one-on-one pass rusher has forced the Cards to frequently blitz to get pressure on the passer. When the old guys don’t get there the secondary is wide open. It’s a great deal to ask of a second year corner, like DRC, to constantly be on an island. Finally, another Pittsburgh connection haunts the defense. McFadden has been weak at best. If the scouting staff rated this guy better than Hood and at a much higher rate of pay, a new scouting staff is needed. Sunday on a relatively short 3rd down he set up nearly three yards behind the first down marker. He offers more cushion than a Lazy Boy salesman.
He’s not that fast. He also seems to have poor ball skills. Even when he’s in position he often doesn’t get a hand on the ball.

I freely admit that not everything from the Steelers is bad; Graham is quite good. However, Whisenhunt needs to be asking himself if he’s truly objective enough when making these choices.

For those still counting the Giants win as a sign of greatness, I refer you to the Giant’s games on both sides of that Cardinal victory. A really good team would have likely given the Giants a worse beating.

In the end the Cards have more stars than the Niners, but fewer solid fundamental players and developing players. Leinart, Wells, Brown and others are drawing big paychecks for little return. This won’t be fixed during this season. The Cards may limp into this year’s playoffs, but don’t expect a repeat of last season’s miracle. If a skilled executive doesn’t fix this situation, the Cards will be watching the Niners blow by them next season.
 

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He offers more cushion than a Lazy Boy salesman.
Nice one! (though my own opinion of McFadden is not as critical)

The two points I agree most vehimently with you on is the need to let Wells carry the ball more and let him work through his fumblitis on the field. I think his lack of carries (though they are creeping up) is most notable because of the lack of youthful depth at the OLB; I was of the mind that that's where we needed to spend a number of picks in the draft...so, I agree with your take: why draft Beanie (at the expense of a potential starting pass rusher) if you're not going to utilize him?
 

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I agree that the 49ers are building a nice solid team. They have two first round picks in next year's draft. They have the Panthers pick. Unless we really step it up we could find ourselves out of the playoffs this year.
 

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McFaddens cushion isnt just some spot McFadden wants to line up. Its where the DC is telling him to line up. We use a lot of cover 3 zones which push the CB's pretty far back off the line in zone coverge. He also isnt making all that much more the Hood did. Plus lets not make Hood some sort of even average player. He gave up the 3rd most amounts of TD among all starting CB's. McFadden hasnt given up a TD yet. I dont think people remember just how bad Hood was last year.

McFadden this year is allowing a 75 QB rating, 0 TD's, and 55% completion rate.
Hood last year allowed a 110 QB rating, 8 TD's, and 60% completion rate.
DRC this year is allowing a 95 QB rating, 6 TD's, and a 55% completion rate. (which is actually worse then last year, anyone worried he might be regressing or are we going to chalk it up to sophmore slump)

http://profootballfocus.com/by_posi...e=r&runpass=&teamid=-1&numsnaps=25&numgames=1

Without a doubt a clear improvement IMO.

Lutui doesnt have a lot of penalties. Ranked 27th among starting gaurds. Lyle does though, he is ranked 7th, and as a side note its odd that the Patriots Center would lead the league.

Completely agree about beanie, OLB age, and OL. But I dont fault Graves for the OL, he let Grimm and Wiz hand pick their guys and they let Graves down in that regard.
 
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But I dont fault Graves for the OL, he let Grimm and Wiz hand pick their guys and they let Graves down in that regard.

This is a very good point. This was the same during the Denny Green years. It seems that Grave's style is to get the players that the Head Coach feels will best fit their system. IMO the HC has a strong influence on player personnel decisions for the team. I'm not saying this is good or bad just a fact.
 

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I pretty much see it the same way; except I'd just as soon put away the whips and clubs, work with what we've currently got and then attack our roster problems in the off-season.

In short - get the most from what we have - with just an even amount of good and bad breaks, this should be enough to get us into the playoffs. Just clean things up, but (most important) keep the cleaned-up things clean & don't let things slip the following week.

My main concern is that, til now, we had the luxury of a one or two game cushion. Now, we're in a situation where we're playing with fire - if, for some reason, the breaks in a couple of games fall the other way, we may not have enough to recover.

We're playing with a tight margin for future screwups, and this team'a DNA thus far has been the likelihood it will throw in a clinker every 2 or 3 games.

That's what worries me.
 

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I'm sure the coaching staff "gets it" and they must have their reasons for not playing Beanie more (fumblitis aside). We're just not privy to them.
 

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I'm sure the coaching staff "gets it" and they must have their reasons for not playing Beanie more (fumblers aside). We're just not privy to them.

Here is why...???

Whiz is so loyal to his players he gets blinders on. HT, KURT, URBAN (SP) are his boy's. He hated Ben at Pitt. wanted the other QB to play.

If Whiz is serious about repeating someday soon he must start Both Beanie and Matt sooner rather than later. If he doesn't he is not only doing the team a disservice but also the team as a whole. The one who is getting really screwed is Matt. He is our future, not Kurt...!!!:mulli:


BOBCAT :bang::(:sad:
 

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I'm sure the coaching staff "gets it" and they must have their reasons for not playing Beanie more (fumblitis aside). We're just not privy to them.

It would seem that they are using Hightower until they reach mid-field, and then Beanie gets touches from that point on. Perhaps they want the more explosive back beyond the 50, which also helps mitigate the cost of any fumble.
 

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Thanks Harry for the post and Joe and Jeff are always spot on with awesome stats to prove their points and make great information for all of us to learn more.

I think every team that either gets to the Super Bowl and Wins or Loses has a feeling about trying to keep those guys around longer than they should.Some teams still continue the process of the move they were gonna make prior to the Super Bowl.Most do not.

I think coach Whiz who I really like a lot,has fallen into the belief if we can get there with these guys once,why can't we get there again?

Thats probably part of the so called SB losers curse.They did'nt keep the upgrades moving enough in the offseason after a SB loss.

We just tried to bring in more depth and yet we lack a true speed rusher as we DID draft Cody Brown in the second from UCONN.Sadly his season is over till next year.We are even more thin at MLB playing the 3-4 with Hayes and Dansby.Highsmith would be a major big step down if we were to lose either of our starters.

Hayes started the season as a house of fire with a 10 tackle game and has tried to keep up with Dansby the rest of the way as now McFadden has taken the second place on team tackles.

I love to see a CB tackle.He may not be that great in coverage as we would have liked but on occasions he has really been great in tackling(last week aside).

Hayes is now having back spasms as has Okeafor already this season and If we can't maintain the health of our front seven we will soon see the gaps not filled as we did last week.

Haggans has been a pleasant surprise in staying healthy yet still not getting as much as we would like and it will be his side this week the bears like to run too.I'm hoping he has a great game.

I think as Harry in the opening post said about our offensive line and its weaknesses.Of course we need a Free Agent OLT for next season to take Gandy's place unless Grimm and Whiz want to put Keith in that spot or move Levi.Levi is a financial problem as much as a playing problem.I really liked what I saw out of Bridges in the short replacement time he has played.I have full confidence in him if we took Levi out.

After the N.Y. game the team gave the game ball to Sendlein for reasons yet to be offered.I guess I need the true game film to see what he did that was so deserving.

Wells has been pulling this season with little success in opening holes as their always seems to be a let down by another lineman and the play goes nowhere.Latui just needs to be replaced period in my personal opinion and H.Johnson can't be that far behind to give him a shot at that spot.I love Johnsons arm length especially if we continue to be a passing team.Latui is neither a road grater or pass blocker.

The bears are having the exact same problems with their offensive line but they have already replaced their OLG with a rookie.We need to do the same with our ORG.Wells will never be a road grater and now we've all seen a healthy Sendlien isn't really that much of an improvement over one last year that was beaten up yet starting.

I'd really like to see Reggie Wells at center and he could still pull as Sendlein pulls occasionally also.I don't know why some have missed the trap plays we run all the time.They normally get the back tackled for no gain.

The two biggest losses this team faces next year due to $$$ are probably Rolle and Dansby unless Graves choses to keep one or both of them.I'm sure Joe could let us have all the facts to the penney why both are probably in the final year.

I see coach Whiz as a players coach and he is pretty slow in using rookies.I think if Beanie gets the start this week he'll need to show progress from the begining to keep getting the rock.With Lovie Smiths famous cover 2 as he came from Tampa,he also was the DC for the lambs when Warner was in his second SB and Lovie's group really let the team down in the last 48 seconds compared to our 2 plus minute drive that beat us in last years SB.

Lovie knows what gives Warner fits and I'm thinking we'll have to have some kind of running game this week.Plus to stick with it until more men are moved into the box.Yet the bears have only had one sack in the last 3 games and the Browns are not the best of teams.Still the bears treated a 30-6 win last week as a loss and are gonna be ready for the CARDINALS.

To cut this post off.I think most of our OLB's Haggans,Okeafor,Berry are in the last days of playing.We'll have a heck of a time replacing them with youth and getting them up to speed in Davis' new 3-4.I'm really hoping Will Davis can become more than a special teams player and be able to make the transition to a real OLB for this team.Thats really high hopes.We even with Cody Brown next year will need more to add to our outside rushing threat.

Every team we've played so far this year has had at least one major pass rusher on that team that you have to double team and most of the time we did'nt do that and it cost us.The bears really besides Ogunleye(sp?)don't really have that guy now healthy.Plus they have three injured DT's they are gonna put on the field to play us.This is the week to run if ever there was one.I expect it.I also expect a major rebound from Kurt Warner as he is hard to keep down after a major bomb day.

Boldin is a game time decision and I pray Whiz makes the right decison to stand up to Boldin like Haley did'nt mind doing and sit him and play Doucet who has been getting all the first team reps for many weeks now with Warner.Its time to see what this years version of Doucet looks like.

Even though Hester has a bad ankle he'll play well this weekend and his counterpart that is new to the NFL is a real homerun threat with Cutler throwing to him.We'll be lucky if he does'nt score a long pass on us Sunday.They have some true speed.The CARDINALS overall as a team lack speed.Thats another main key on offense and defense.SPEED.
 

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Harry agree with pretty much all of it.

Sidenote since you seem so well informed on the draft every year. What round do you think USC TE Anthony McCoy goes? He's one of my favorite players in the whole draft this year.

Before this year he was just known as a great blocker, 22 career catches. This year he's averaging 23 YPC on 16 catches. He's one of the guys I would love to see the Cards get but I'm curious how much he's moved himself up in the draft, I think he was considered a 3rd or 4th rounder before this year?

As I keep saying here I think with Beanie on board a big part of our future is going to be the run game and 2 TE sets. I like Patrick, I think Becht is getting old, and I'm not very high on Spach so I'm of the opinion we should get another TE next year if possible, and in particular one that can block. Gresham from OU is a great talent but not nearly the blocker McCoy is.
 

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I am the first to be very critical of the Cardinals but I cannot agree with much of this post.

Are there problems with the Cardinals. Certainly. Personel wise there are some head scratching decision on certain players, and how much we pay them.

I agree the offensive line, while maintaining continuity, have show an upgrade in talent is needed. The guard and tackle positions at least have prospects on the horizon with Johnson, and Keith. Both are still very young, and very inexperienced. But the fact they are being allowed to learn the game at a pace that will allow them to be groomed for a position and not thrown to the wolves could pay off.

The position that scares me, and always had is center. Sendlien is a backup talent, and always has been. I really wish we picked up Matt Birk last year.

I have said in the past the offensive line is vastly improved from the early 2000's but another step up in talent is needed to become elite. Not to mention we need better TE's.


At RB ? Wells is a 21 year old rookie with a lot to learn....patience is needed.
Hightower, Wright, LSH are all upgrades and pay their roles well.


Our kick returns and punt returns was in fact addressed this offseason. Michael Ray Garvin, again a rookie, was showing really good promise. He got injured....what are you going to do ?


For the defense, there is no denying that our OLB situation is horrendous. You have my 100% support on that. The Cardinals are trying, but injuries to Travis LaBoy (cut), and Courtney Brown are hard to overcome. Will Davis has potential but he is a rookie/work in progress guy. Spending 4 mil on Chike Okeafor ? That is a poor decision.

Bryant McFadden is a choice the Cardinals were forced into. Rod Hood is hurt, and has not recovered from his injury. He was cut by the Cardinals because of his injury and the teams that picked him up afterwards cut Hood as well. There is no use comparing the two because Hood is damaged goods and his NFL career is over. As for the future ? Do not sleep on Greg Toler.

Now if you want to look at a secondary position, look at FS. Antrel Rolle is an all or nothing player, and his inconsistencies are not going to be worth his huge salary. Again, FS is a real scary situation.

As for the Niners blowing by the Cardinals next year. Until it happens, I just don't think it will be THAT easy.

The current squad of Cardinals have flaws, but there is a good group of young players that the Cardinals have lined up for the future. Whether good or bad remains to be seen. But they are quietly in the background learning the NFL game.
 

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Sendlein and Lutui getting their usual set of penalties??? :shrug:

I'd like to see the numbers on that, but I think that this the one area where these two are doing well at.

Now Levi and Gandy on the other hand..........
 
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I want McClain from Alabama I can taste it. It'll never happen but that kid would start for us from day one.He might have a lil' time to pick up our system but the kid is a head hunter in the London Fletcher mode and will lead whatever team that gets him in tackles for 10 years.He'd fill the Dansby spot right away.

I'm old but I can still dream until April gets here and reality sets in.

We need offensive line help and its time to move our backups into position or get others.I just don't understand Grimm's motives and lack of teaching ability that he once had.I think he's babying this 5 he has now way too much.Its past time for a change.We saw all of this already last season.

I'll get yelled at but Wide reciever is a big need in the SPEED department also.We need a homerun threat.We don't have one.The eagles have 4 the saints 5-6.ETC...Colts
 

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Oh, and Special Teams have been the biggest improvement this team has made this year IMO. We might have the best kickers in the league and our coverage teams has to be improved from last year. (without knowing exact numbers)
 

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Oh, and Special Teams have been the biggest improvement this team has made this year IMO. We might have the best kickers in the league and our coverage teams has to be improved from last year. (without knowing exact numbers)


We can thank the Howler and Will Davis as two big contributors in tackles and need another big week against Devin Hester.
 

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It would seem that they are using Hightower until they reach mid-field, and then Beanie gets touches from that point on. Perhaps they want the more explosive back beyond the 50, which also helps mitigate the cost of any fumble.

Just looked up the splits and your preception is pretty close.

Timmy has a "own 50 / Opponents 50" ratio of - 35 / 36
Wells ratio is 23 / 40.
 

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My 2 cents:

1. When the o-line has good games like they did against the Giants, they do not get enough credit, IMO.

2. I blame a good deal of their struggles on the coaches. It's borderline absurd to think that Mike Gandy can handle Julius Peppers one-on-one, and yet the coaches refuse to offer him the simplest little counter and help by throwing a chip at Peppers. The one time I saw them do it, Peppers fells to the turf and Warner completed a 14 yard pass.

3. I think the run blocking this year has been pretty danged decent. Not great. But, really not bad.

4. It's still totally premature, IMO, to write Tim Hightower off as a starting RB. IMO, he has run harder and tougher than past first rounders like Garrison hearst, Thomas Jones, etc. ever did this early in the careers, especially in the red zone, where TH has been stellar...that's right, stelllar.
Sure, he missed some holes and bounces too far at times. But, hey, anyone still remember the 4th and 1 in the NFC Championship game where TH was given the ball and he read the play perfectly and bounced to the outside off of Terrelle Smith's block? That was so clutch. As was the TD where he practically ran over Brian Dawkins, that's right, Brian Dawkins.

5. As for the defense, they deserve one mulligan. If they don't stone Forte this weekend, maybe we have to be concerned...but, hey, as bad as they were last week, they were outstanding against the Giants, and that says something. But, it seemed like BD let his foot off the gas in the Carolina game and we will see if he re-apllies his foot this week.

I really think that has CC not jumped off-side early in the Carolina game on 3rd and 7 and the Cardinals had not gotten behind as much as they did, we would have seen a heavy dose of TH and Beanie with some adept play action sprinkled in. Had the Cardinals established the lead, Delhomme would have had to be much more of a factor, and that would have played into the Cardinals' hands. But, games are tricky...the battle for early control often dictates the rest of the game, and it certainly did last week.

That was then, this is now. Fresh game, fresh clock, new opportunity. Let's see what the Cardinals can do with this clean slate. I think the o-line will play well in this one, and I think that if the defense gets back to having fun, this game might be one of the better ones the Cardinals play this year.
 
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4. It's still totally premature, IMO, to write Tim Hightower off as a starting RB. IMO, he has run harder and tougher than past first rounders like Garrison hearst, Thomas Jones, etc. ever did this early in the careers, especially in the red zone, where TH has been stellar...that's right, stelllar.
Sure, he missed some holes and bounces too far at times. But, hey, anyone still remember the 4th and 1 in the NFC Championship game where TH was given the ball and he read the play perfectly and bounced to the outside off of Terrelle Smith's block? That was so clutch. As was the TD where he practically ran over Brian Dawkins, that's right, Brian Dawkins.

You just described a short yardage/3rd down back though, not a starter.
 

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You just described a short yardage/3rd down back though, not a starter.

Yup... Nobody questions Timmy's heart, passion and desire. He's got as much "Want To" as any player in the game today. But that doesn't make him a starting RB in the NFL... He's just not of that caliber, which is ok as we have our starter in Beanie.
 

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You just described a short yardage/3rd down back though, not a starter.

According to you. Not to me. I love the way he runs. He is one tough hombre and he has bounce to his game...TH plays with the right emotion. I also accept that he's in his second year, and is miles ahead of where Hearst and Jones were. And in his first year was a MAJOR contributor to an NFC Champion team.

Beanie is raw. He's learning the drill. He needs time. But, it's nice to have the two of them as a tandem and I think TH has been more than I would ever imagined thus far when you put it all in perspective. Plus, this year he is catching the ball and advancing it with aplomb, a dimension of his game that is being vastly taken for granted.
 

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Tim being the clutch player he is, doesn't have the athletic gifts that Beanie has shown in the brief times we've actually seen him. Fumbles and all. I'm hoping that our game plan against the Bears involves alot more Mr. Wells while we rest Boldin.

The "starter" label really doesn't matter so much when it comes to our RBs, it's just a word to describe which team member is on the roster at the beginning of a game. I don't think Beanie takes it so serious, at least not yet.
 

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Yup... Nobody questions Timmy's heart, passion and desire. He's got as much "Want To" as any player in the game today. But that doesn't make him a starting RB in the NFL... He's just not of that caliber, which is ok as we have our starter in Beanie.

You guy crack me up. Go ahead write him off. You know, let's get over it...we missed out on AP. Really, get over it. There's only one AP. There's a ton to like about TH...a ton. And he's only in his second year. Think about it.
 

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According to you. Not to me. I love the way he runs. He is one tough hombre and he has bounce to his game...TH plays with the right emotion. I also accept that he's in his second year, and is miles ahead of where Hearst and Jones were. And in his first year was a MAJOR contributor to an NFC Champion team.

Beanie is raw. He's learning the drill. He needs time. But, it's nice to have the two of them as a tandem and I think TH has been more than I would ever imagined thus far when you put it all in perspective. Plus, this year he is catching the ball and advancing it with aplum, a dimension of his game that is being vastly taken for granted.

Why the heck is Timmy using a plum to advance the ball after catching it??

:p
 
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