What will be done with Shelton?

[General Chaos]

Now that Leonard is at LT for good. Are they going to switch either clement or shelton to guard? our oline is a messy situtation.

 

[Shane]

Now that Leonard is at LT for good. Are they going to switch either clement or shelton to guard? our oline is a messy situtation.

Shelton will most certainly be starting at one of the Tackle position come week 1.

It is inevitable, he is by far our best and most experienced O-lineman!

 

[joeshmo]

Now that Leonard is at LT for good.

I still think that remains to be seen as of right now.

But yes Shelton will be starting come game 1 at one fo 4 spots: LT, LG, RG, RT.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

It seems DG is putting attitude ahead of everything else.He wants a nasty agressive attitude.If LJ gets one then i'm sure he'll find a spot because he has the ability.

 

[azdad1978]

I still think LJ will start as the LT spot or he will slide in the RT.

 

[pete]

I think Green is giving Big a chance to prove he is worth his $$s. I wouldn't be surprised to see Big fail at LT and Shelton end up back there soon. Shelton is too good to ride the pine.

 

[MadCardDisease]

I think Green is giving Big a chance to prove he is worth his $$s. I wouldn't be surprised to see Big fail at LT and Shelton end up back there soon. Shelton is too good to ride the pine.

I agree. Green needs to figure out if Big is worth the amount of money he makes. Personally I think LJ will win the spot back.

 

[AZCB34]

If Big cannot get his crap wired out there when dealing with speed rushers, he will get moved out and LJ will get moved it. Jurecki/Lewis were reporting today that straight up muscle blocking and Davis is fine but when he faces a speed rusher he is just getting beat down...and most DEs he will face are speed rushers I think. Not a good combo. Big better pick it up.

MJ/Lew also were critical of Stepanovich (although Lewis said, and of course I would agree, it is going to take time). They were very high in their praise of Wells who has been playing in between Davis and Step...VERY high in their praise not only for his ability but also his smarts.

 

[Redheart]

If Big cannot get his crap wired out there when dealing with speed rushers, he will get moved out and LJ will get moved in...

LJ was getting beat continually last year too, did you forget about that? Do you remember that pass Josh threw to LJ facemask in his own end-zone last year? It happened right after Josh narrowly avoided an un-blocked lineman, the un-blocked lineman was LJ's guy...

LJ needs to loose a big chunk of weight to:

• Gain some quickness.

• Take stress off of his injury.

• Improve his stamina.

Then LJ needs to play at the level he is getting paid for, and he is getting paid quite well.

When he does that, Denny may give him his job back...after he EARNS it, of course.

 

[AZCB34]

LJ was getting beat continually last year too, did you forget about that? Do you remember that pass threw to LJ facemask in his own end-zone last year? It happened right after Josh narrowly avoided an un-blocked lineman, the un-blocked lineman was LJ's guy...

LJ needs to loose a big chunk of weight to:

• Gain some quickness.

• Take stress off of his injury.

• Improve his stamina.

Then LJ needs to play at the level he is getting paid for, and he is getting paid quite well.

When he does that, Denny may give him his job back...after he EARNS it, of course.

I would hardly say LJ was being "continually beat" last year and I don't expect perfection by any means but one thing is clear to me, personally, and that is LJ is the better LT of the two. LJ has already lost weight which you should know by now (reportedly 40 pounds) which will make him quicker virtually by default. His stamina is not an issue with the exception he sat out minicamps after having surgery.

Last year, LJ and Kendall were by far the Cards 2 best OL...there can be no arguing that point.

I laugh when people bring up money compared to Big who has BY FAR not played up to his salary.

Oh and the LJ facemask pass...classic of you to bring that up. Totally made your case. I am convinced. LJ sucks.

 

[MadCardDisease]

I would hardly say LJ was being "continually beat" last year and I don't expect perfection by any means but one thing is clear to me, personally, and that is LJ is the better LT of the two. LJ has already lost weight which you should know by now (reportedly 40 pounds) which will make him quicker virtually by default. His stamina is not an issue with the exception he sat out minicamps after having surgery.

Last year, LJ and Kendall were by far the Cards 2 best OL...there can be no arguing that point.

I laugh when people bring up money compared to Big who has BY FAR not played up to his salary.

Oh and the LJ facemask pass...classic of you to bring that up. Totally made your case. I am convinced. LJ sucks.

Personally I thing LJ has been our best Lineman the last couple of years. My only knock on him is that he seems to make at least one mistake every game that gets the Cards in trouble.

 

[Redheart]

Oh and the LJ facemask pass...classic of you to bring that up. Totally made your case. I am convinced. LJ sucks.

Come on rolling-eyes! I didn't say LJ sucks, I was focusing on your projection that LJ was going to be the answer to the speed-rushing DE when he wasn't that great of answer last year. How long has LJ been playing LT? How long has Big been playing? Yet, you are sure that LJ is the correct LT and Big isn't.

Mean Denny Greene doesn't seem convinced, but two days of camp and the keen observations of a couple of press-boys can lead you to LJ as the answer...I guess I am not convinced yet either.

As far as LJ's weight goes, I still think he needs to come down based on the reasons I gave.

 

[Russ Smith]

Personally I thing LJ has been our best Lineman the last couple of years. My only knock on him is that he seems to make at least one mistake every game that gets the Cards in trouble.

But in fairness that's the nature of LT, you face their best pass rusher, and if you make a mistake, it usuually gets your QB killed.

he's certainly not an ELITE LT, but he's not paid like one either, just like a very good LT, which he is.

The only good thing I can see about Big wasting so much time at LT is maybe it will help his footwork so if he does go back to LG, he'll be better?

 

[lrk27]

LJ is under the belief that nothing he can do will make him a starter this year. He has not been approached about playing anything other than backup left tackle. He is very discouraged at this point and feels that nothing he can do will get him into the starting lineup. He feels that his only chance of playing is if someone gets injured. He does not feel like he has an opportunity to win a starting role on this line. Being in shape is not a factor. He weighs 338, the lightest he has been at camp since being a Cardinal. If you expect to see LJ starting in week 1, don't get your hopes up. The team has not said anything to him about his situation since June 1st.

 

[MadCardDisease]

But in fairness that's the nature of LT, you face their best pass rusher, and if you make a mistake, it usuually gets your QB killed.

he's certainly not an ELITE LT, but he's not paid like one either, just like a very good LT, which he is.

The only good thing I can see about Big wasting so much time at LT is maybe it will help his footwork so if he does go back to LG, he'll be better?

Very true. It just always seems to happen at the worst time.

 

[Scott MS]

Big should be released to a hot dog eating contest. Maybe there he will finally shine!!

 

[spanky1]

LJ is under the belief that nothing he can do will make him a starter this year. He has not been approached about playing anything other than backup left tackle. He is very discouraged at this point and feels that nothing he can do will get him into the starting lineup. He feels that his only chance of playing is if someone gets injured. He does not feel like he has an opportunity to win a starting role on this line. Being in shape is not a factor. He weighs 338, the lightest he has been at camp since being a Cardinal. If you expect to see LJ starting in week 1, don't get your hopes up. The team has not said anything to him about his situation since June 1st.

Isn't this the guy who skkorp said was well informed and has an inner ear to what is going on within the bowels of the organization.

If so, we should be concerned because obviously this is not a motivational situation with LJ.............I just can't believe that he isn't starter material on this team.

 

[AZCB34]

Come on rolling-eyes! I didn't say LJ sucks, I was focusing on your projection that LJ was going to be the answer to the speed-rushing DE when he wasn't that great of answer last year. How long has LJ been playing LT? How long has Big been playing? Yet, you are sure that LJ is the correct LT and Big isn't.

Mean Denny Greene doesn't seem convinced, but two days of camp and the keen observations of a couple of press-boys can lead you to LJ as the answer...I guess I am not convinced yet either.

As far as LJ's weight goes, I still think he needs to come down based on the reasons I gave.

I wouldn't pass off Bill Lewis as a "press boy". He played a few years in the NFL (10?) so when he is railing against Big getting beaten bad by speed rushers, I will take his word higher than most press people. He has done it at this level

LJ has played more LT here in AZ than Big has no? (seriously, I am asking but I think LJ has more starts there) LJ has, IMO, played better than Big in the OL the past couple years.

He is in the bst shape of his career right now so I am not sure how much more you expect him to lose...although it sounds like based on lrk's post, Big will be the man protecting McCown's blind spot. Unless Big can pick it up (I am not saying he CAN'T, just that he WON'T), Josh is going to get freaking killed back there.

The entire OL has been blown up basically with either new players out there or old players in new positions. This has the makings of a disaster on the OL...at least early on in the year.

 

[DevonCardsFan]

LJ is under the belief that nothing he can do will make him a starter this year. He has not been approached about playing anything other than backup left tackle. He is very discouraged at this point and feels that nothing he can do will get him into the starting lineup. He feels that his only chance of playing is if someone gets injured. He does not feel like he has an opportunity to win a starting role on this line. Being in shape is not a factor. He weighs 338, the lightest he has been at camp since being a Cardinal. If you expect to see LJ starting in week 1, don't get your hopes up. The team has not said anything to him about his situation since June 1st.

That's bad news, I was really hoping they moved him to G or RT.

 

[pete]

If Big cannot get his crap wired out there when dealing with speed rushers, he will get moved out and LJ will get moved it. Jurecki/Lewis were reporting today that straight up muscle blocking and Davis is fine but when he faces a speed rusher he is just getting beat down...and most DEs he will face are speed rushers I think. Not a good combo. Big better pick it up.

MJ/Lew also were critical of Stepanovich (although Lewis said, and of course I would agree, it is going to take time). They were very high in their praise of Wells who has been playing in between Davis and Step...VERY high in their praise not only for his ability but also his smarts.

Maybe Green is trying to show the front office how much they screwed up for taking this guy where they did. Wasn't it La Roi Glover who said last year that Big had bad foot work and that was what allowed him to move Big back like he was on roller skates in that Dallas game? If Big can't even master the footwork to play RG, why is he being moved out to the perimeter? I mean, I wish the guy would play like a 10 million $$ LT since he is getting paid like one, but what about McCown? I'm sure he would feel safer with LJ there.

Big has a lot of proving to do. He needs to find his sac and return to the ass kicking form that planted Mike Brown into the Chicago turf like a tulip.

 

[Scott MS]

At least one thing is for sure, if Big and company aren't getting it together, I don't think Green will hesitate to cut them and bring in somebody else. He has no loyalty to them, unlike Mac.

 

[speedy]

Mike Brown is like 5' 10" and 185. I'd hope big could blast him. It was cool, but the media and Mac kept replaying that clip as if it were Sapp or Kearse. He has never had a sack huevos. Maybe a pocket full of AA's for his RC car...


ATTITUDE? how can any of this be attitude. DG is speaking out of both sides of his mouth. If attitude (AKA mean streak) is what we are all about, we just **** canned the wrong guy. He was the toughest bastard on the team minus Mckinnon. I'll give it time, but Big is one BIG joke

 

[danny l]

Other than QB, it was assumed that becoming a good starting NFL OL was the position that took the longest at which to become proficient . Generally it was assumed to take 3-5 years to develop an OL. However, in recent years because of the high salaries they have started earlier and earlier. The point that I am trying to make is that I beleive that Big is just now coming into his own and will still become a devastating LT.

 

[Rats]

LJ is under the belief that nothing he can do will make him a starter this year. He has not been approached about playing anything other than backup left tackle. He is very discouraged at this point and feels that nothing he can do will get him into the starting lineup. He feels that his only chance of playing is if someone gets injured. He does not feel like he has an opportunity to win a starting role on this line. Being in shape is not a factor. He weighs 338, the lightest he has been at camp since being a Cardinal. If you expect to see LJ starting in week 1, don't get your hopes up. The team has not said anything to him about his situation since June 1st.

Skorp, I would like to hear your opinion on LJ and his chances of starting. Back when Rod Graves was trying to get him signed you and I kind of had it out about the contract and how much it meant to Rod Graves personally that LJ not be allowed to leave. Has this contract been a sticking point with Dennis Green? Has LJ underperformed or gotten soft after the contract was signed. Is this a tempest in an H20 bottle? How do you see it? I still have the PM that you sent that said RG wanted LJ signed bad...is he still the pillar of strength in the front office or should we be concerned that something is or has eroded. It would seem unlikely but it was reported at minicamp that DG was upset about the extension given to LJ.

 

[Redheart]

I wouldn't pass off Bill Lewis as a "press boy". He played a few years in the NFL (10?) so when he is railing against Big getting beaten bad by speed rushers, I will take his word higher than most press people. He has done it at this level

Where did he play? When did play? What did he Play, was it OL? I tried searching some NFL Player History sites and...nothing. He must not have been very memorable, maybe he is a better press-boy.

LJ has played more LT here in AZ than Big has no? (seriously, I am asking but I think LJ has more starts there) LJ has, IMO, played better than Big in the OL the past couple years.

LJ has been playing LT for at least three years. I think this pre-camp and camp is Big's first shot. Many prognosticators expected him to be playing LT from the time he was drafted...but LJ was already there and Mac couldn't see making the move...

He is in the bst shape of his career right now so I am not sure how much more you expect him to lose...although it sounds like based on lrk's post, Big will be the man protecting McCown's blind spot. Unless Big can pick it up (I am not saying he CAN'T, just that he WON'T), Josh is going to get freaking killed back there.

LJ has been loosing a LOT of weight, really quickly. I don't equate that to being in the "bst shape of his career". I equate "best shape" to lean muscle mass, strength, stamina, cardio-vascular conditioning...you don't get there from 380 to 338 in four weeks...even with juicing!

The entire OL has been blown up basically with either new players out there or old players in new positions. This has the makings of a disaster on the OL...at least early on in the year.

I agree, it looks really scary. But REMEMBER, last year they really sucked, like the year before, like the year before. We BETTER try something new...