What will it take for Melvin to get fired?

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This team is so bad right now. The players seem like they don't care. There is no emotion. It is so hard to watch this team play like they are. A change needs to happen! I just don't understand why Melvin and/or Schu have not been fired?
 

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Organization is cheap. They've made poor financial decisions, which haven't helped, but they don't want to pay the money it would cost to can Melvin and then hire someone else.
 

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What ever happened to that one guy who used to play 2B for the Mets who was going to be our coach? He seemed pretty fiesty.

Then we found out he was a wife beater and didnt hire him after all. He still an option?
 

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What ever happened to that one guy who used to play 2B for the Mets who was going to be our coach? He seemed pretty fiesty.

Then we found out he was a wife beater and didnt hire him after all. He still an option?

Wally Backman is currently managing the Joliet Jackhammers of the Northern League.
 

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Melvin go on a 4 state killing spree and this organization would give him an extension.
 

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As long as Young, Byrnes and Snyder go with him - I'm cool with Melvin being tossed...;)

Snyder is one of the best defensive catchers in the game. Yeah, he's hitting like crap. But he's typically not going to be a great hitter anyways. Which is acceptable because of his stellar defense.

I'm not quite ready to give up on Young yet. He is in an awful slump, but he still has room to improve. He'll probably end up as a career .260 batter. But he's generally a HR and RBI threat. (And a very solid defender in CF)
 

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Snyder is one of the best defensive catchers in the game. Yeah, he's hitting like crap. But he's typically not going to be a great hitter anyways. Which is acceptable because of his stellar defense.

I'm not quite ready to give up on Young yet. He is in an awful slump, but he still has room to improve. He'll probably end up as a career .260 batter. But he's generally a HR and RBI threat. (And a very solid defender in CF)

Couldn't disagree more with this entire post... This is exactly the type of thinking that has put the D-Backs in this position, and left unchanged, will keep them in this position...
 

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Couldn't disagree more with this entire post... This is exactly the type of thinking that has put the D-Backs in this position, and left unchanged, will keep them in this position...


DBacks have no choice but to keep playing Young. He isn't tradeable because of the extension we gave him (thru '13 averaging $6mil/year).

Promote Gibson or Hale and it won't really cost us anything extra. If we don't finish this road trip strong I think Melvin will get axed.
 

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Snyder is one of the best defensive catchers in the game. Yeah, he's hitting like crap. But he's typically not going to be a great hitter anyways. Which is acceptable because of his stellar defense.

I'm not quite ready to give up on Young yet. He is in an awful slump, but he still has room to improve. He'll probably end up as a career .260 batter. But he's generally a HR and RBI threat. (And a very solid defender in CF)

FWIW- I completely agree with this statement, also he calls a great game. He is a better all around catcher than Montero. I'm not worried at all about his BA. It'll come around.
 

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Couldn't disagree more with this entire post... This is exactly the type of thinking that has put the D-Backs in this position, and left unchanged, will keep them in this position...

I don't mean to sound like a prick in the context of how I'm asking this, so please don't take it as such.. However, I merely wanted to ask this..

In regards to Snyder, do you completely understand how irreplacable and invaluable a catcher who calls a good game and has good defense really is? Especially when you have a moderately young pitching staff?

There's much, much, much more to this sport than statistics. Sadly, the SABRmetrics groupies and fantasy baseball effectionados have put so much emphasis on stats that they tend to forget that fundamentals are vital to a team's success.
 

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Couldn't disagree more with this entire post... This is exactly the type of thinking that has put the D-Backs in this position, and left unchanged, will keep them in this position...

You can't ignore defense. I completely disagree with wanting Snyder gone, and am not quit ready to write off Young. This team is going nowhere this season so you may as well give Young more time to develop.

You know what you're going to get with Snyder. A catcher who is well respected by the pitchers, great at controlling games, and is an excellent defensive player. He'll never be great offensively, but most catchers aren't.
 

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His defense has slipped

FWIW- I completely agree with this statement, also he calls a great game. He is a better all around catcher than Montero. I'm not worried at all about his BA. It'll come around.

There were one or two wild pitches that I thought were pass balls. His pitch selection on some of the Dodger hitters was bizzare. Why haven't we walked Manny when first base is open. How about getting baited into throwing to second and letting the guy get to third for the Dodgers and subsequently scoring on a ground ball? Snyder's offense sucks and I'd rather take a chance on Montero because he is a batting threat.

I think they ought to say Young is injured and send him on a rehab assignment to the minor leagues to get his confidence back. Right now he cannot even make enough contact to hit a solid foul ball.

This team would play with more emotion under Hale or Gibson but they are not in charge. Melvin is in a coma and the fact our players are unable to bunt or play effective situational baseball is his fault and responsibility. What did you learn in little league? When you have 2 strikes you protect the plate at all costs and put the ball in play. You don't take called third strikes, you expand the strike zone and make contact.

These guys fail to do basic **** every game and the manager must provide a consequence. Send someone down and bring up the hot players. Frankly I'd tell Tony Clark thanks for the memories but you are a coach now and get someone else on the roster. I'd approach Eric Byrnes agent about a buyout of his contract and then release him or ask for a six pack of beer. Start playing the guys that are productive. Why not package DD and Tracy to see if we can get a proven power hitter. They are not going to sign DD next year anyhow so why not. Throw in Byrnes and offer to pay some of his contract.

Chase will be empty this summer if they don't do something.
 

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Why not package DD and Tracy to see if we can get a proven power hitter. They are not going to sign DD next year anyhow so why not. Throw in Byrnes and offer to pay some of his contract.

Because few teams will want to pick up those three garbage contracts in the same deal?

Plus, what proven power hitters are available? Arizona got the best of the lot last year and let him walk at season's end.
 

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Because few teams will want to pick up those three garbage contracts in the same deal?

Plus, what proven power hitters are available? Arizona got the best of the lot last year and let him walk at season's end.

Im hoping the Brewers fall apart and look to shop Prince Fielder but that doesn't of course mean they'd take bad contracts off our hands were suggested.
 

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I would see Doug Davis getting moved as soon as the post season is out of reach. He's the second highest payroll guy and he's in a contact year
 
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Snyder is one of the best defensive catchers in the game. Yeah, he's hitting like crap. But he's typically not going to be a great hitter anyways. Which is acceptable because of his stellar defense.

I'm not quite ready to give up on Young yet. He is in an awful slump, but he still has room to improve. He'll probably end up as a career .260 batter. But he's generally a HR and RBI threat. (And a very solid defender in CF)

Couldn't disagree more with this entire post... This is exactly the type of thinking that has put the D-Backs in this position, and left unchanged, will keep them in this position...

Snyder is great at throwing runners out. He might be good at calling a game, hell if I know. But a great defensive catcher he is not.

He is horrible at blocking pitches, and really bad at just plain catching the ball. Watch a game, how many pitches just bounce off his glove that he misses? Many of them happen with no runners on so nothing comes of it, but just watch, it's usually at least half a dozen or so per game. Down the middle, just off the glove and rolls to the side.

Not sure where the great defensive catcher theory comes from, but my guess is it is because people need something to hang their hat on with him since he's miserable at the dish.
 

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