What would you give for Kevin Love

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Yep, I'm afraid so.

agreed. the only way that trade happens is if a) Love forces his way to us (and he's given no inclination we're even on a short list of places he wants to play) or b) the pot is sweetened with either Bledsoe or Dragic and I don't want to see that happen.
 

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If they were all future, unprotected and therefore undetermined picks, I might agree. But we're talking about 14, 18, 27 and a future protected pick. Even if the draft fell perfectly for us and even if we were willing to use all four picks, I'm just not convinced we can get enough talent to make passing on Love worthwhile unless the Lakers pick turns into gold.

I'd be thrilled with a 2014 draft that landed us Harris or Young with our first pick, Payne with our second and someone like Capela with our 27th. Add a backup big man with our second round pick and I'd call that a very successful draft. But even then, I'd trade it and the Lakers pick along with the Morrises for an extended Love. Far too many rookies fail in this league to justify walking away from a guy that can give you 26 and 12.

Unfortunately, management doesn't want to use all four draft picks. Maybe they'll trade for future picks which makes sense but more likely they'll package the 14 and the 27 to move up a couple spots and grab someone like Stauskas. Then we'll probably draft Jerami Grant with the 18th pick and sell off the second rounder. Maybe it makes us a little better but now you're looking at basically choosing Stauskas and Markieff over Love.

I'd walk away from any Love deal if we couldn't get him under contract but otherwise I'd give up whatever they asked for minus the few pieces I've already suggested we hang onto (Dragic, Bledsoe and Len conditionally). Honestly though, I think this is all moot. The same reason that makes me willing to part with our four picks applies to Minnesota, they just aren't that valuable. Not to mention that Love has shown no interest in us, even indirectly.

Steve

Yeah, we are back to the elite thing again. I think Love would be great playing beside Noah and Rose but that doesn't mean he is elite. We will have to see what happens. I hope the Wolves do not want to deal with the Suns.
 

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agreed. the only way that trade happens is if a) Love forces his way to us (and he's given no inclination we're even on a short list of places he wants to play) or b) the pot is sweetened with either Bledsoe or Dragic and I don't want to see that happen.

Bledsoe can't be traded, logistically impossible.

Dragic could actually make sense depending on the rest of the offer. We would still have capspace to sign a star free agent along with Love, Bledsoe, Green and Plumlee.

Depends on how much faith the Suns have in Goodwin to develop and contribute next year already.

Maybe Lebron would actually consider coming to Phoenix to play with Bledsoe and Love.
 

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Yeah, we are back to the elite thing again. I think Love would be great playing beside Noah and Rose but that doesn't mean he is elite. We will have to see what happens. I hope the Wolves do not want to deal with the Suns.

Tough crowd. I just don't know what else to call a player that averaged 26.1 points, 12.5 rebounds and 4.4 assists per game. There's only been something like 16 players in the history of the NBA that averaged 20/10 (rebounds) for their career and he and Blake are on pace to join that group. Maybe they'll both fall off late in their careers and settle a bit under that mark but still, that's pretty darned elite IMO.

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Maybe Lebron would actually consider coming to Phoenix to play with Bledsoe and Love.

that would be a pretty damn great big 3. If Colangelo was still the head of the snake here, I'd say LeBron would be in play simply because JC had that kind of respect aroudn the league. I just don't know if the biggest FA ever would consider us at this point in rebuilding the franchise's image...which IS getting better, but ain't to the level it was when we were one of the crown jewels of the league.
 

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Dragic, Morris, Morris and a pick would be a trade I would make for Love.

We would still have Green and Goodwin at the shooting guard position, picks in the draft and max cap space to sign a star SF.
 

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Goodwin shouldn't be an untouchable, but it sure would be nice to see him on fastbreaks with outlets from Love. We'd get at least 1 highlight dunk a game from that combo I'd imagine.
 

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Dragic, Morris, Morris and a pick would be a trade I would make for Love.

We would still have Green and Goodwin at the shooting guard position, picks in the draft and max cap space to sign a star SF.

Unless they're ready to give up on the Rubio project I can't see Dragic having us much value to them as he does to us. I'd much rather give them our picks this year and the Lakers pick next year than part ways with Goran. Personally, I think Bledsoe will be the better player but if we had to part with one of them in order to get Love, I'd trade Eric.

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..........

Eric Bledsoe CAN NOT BE TRADED!!!

Wrong as usual. Eric Bledsoe CAN be traded. I didn't say send him in a package to Minnesota tomorrow. There's plenty of reason to believe that Love won't be available until Minnesota has no choice but to trade him. In the meantime we could well have done a sign and trade with Eric and acquired the extra assets we'd need to make a mid-seaon deal with Minnesota. Right now, I don't believe we have the assets to make a Love deal. And right now, I don't believe Kevin is actually on the trading block.

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Wrong as usual. Eric Bledsoe CAN be traded. I didn't say send him in a package to Minnesota tomorrow. There's plenty of reason to believe that Love won't be available until Minnesota has no choice but to trade him. In the meantime we could well have done a sign and trade with Eric and acquired the extra assets we'd need to make a mid-seaon deal with Minnesota. Right now, I don't believe we have the assets to make a Love deal. And right now, I don't believe Kevin is actually on the trading block.

Steve

His free agent status would make this next to impossible.
 

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His free agent status would make this next to impossible.

Sign and trade. He'd be in control but there would still be assets in return. And I don't even see why we couldn't do a straight up sign and trade with Minnesota if we were willing to gamble on Love staying with us.

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Sign and trade. He'd be in control but there would still be assets in return. And I don't even see why we couldn't do a straight up sign and trade with Minnesota if we were willing to gamble on Love staying with us.

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For this to happen Bledsoe would have to voluntarily condemn himself to basketball hell.
 

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For this to happen Bledsoe would have to voluntarily condemn himself to basketball hell.

Sure. I'm not saying it's likely but it is possible. I'd be against it because the deal would have to happen fairly soon and we'd have no guarantees with Love. Bledsoe for Love is a good deal if we keep Kevin but it's a horrible deal if we just get one season from him.

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Sign and trade. He'd be in control but there would still be assets in return. And I don't even see why we couldn't do a straight up sign and trade with Minnesota if we were willing to gamble on Love staying with us.

Steve

And you can't combine other players with him in a sign and trade.

Esentially Bledsoe AND Minnesota would have to be willing to swap 1 for 1.

And if we match Bledsoe which is likely to happen we can't trade him for 1 year without his consent.

Just stop with the Bledsoe trade ideas it won't happen. If someone goes it would be Dragic.
 

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And you can't combine other players with him in a sign and trade.

Esentially Bledsoe AND Minnesota would have to be willing to swap 1 for 1.

And if we match Bledsoe which is likely to happen we can't trade him for 1 year without his consent.

Just stop with the Bledsoe trade ideas it won't happen. If someone goes it would be Dragic.

Try reading my posts again. I think it's unlikely that we will trade Bledsoe for Love. BUT, if Love is our target, I'd prefer to trade Eric over Goran. Not necessarily to Minnesota but in order to acquire assets that could be used in trade for Love. Again, I don't think we have the assets to interest Minnesota until Love reaches the sign and trade point in his contract (and forces the issue) or mid-season when the Wolves might be more desperate to receive whatever they can get in return. That gives us some time to acquire those assets that might interest Minnesota.

I don't want to trade either Dragic or Bledsoe. I think they make each other better and we've just seen a little of what they can eventually become together. But if we're going to part with one of them and expect to add Love to our roster, Dragic is the better choice to keep IMO. I think they'd make a more effective pair than Eric and Love.

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I don't want to trade either Dragic or Bledsoe. I think they make each other better and we've just seen a little of what they can eventually become together. But if we're going to part with one of them and expect to add Love to our roster, Dragic is the better choice to keep IMO. I think they'd make a more effective pair than Eric and Love.

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Agreed.
 

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Oh Slin...

You are forgetting that Gordon can be traded to another team to acquire an asset and then that asset can be packaged to Minnesota.

So he doesn't have to go to Minnesota to still be part of a trade with Minnesota
 

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The Celtics, guys. Love is going to the Celtics.

So, what is Plan B to get a rebounder in our front court?

I appreciate the hustle that Tucker brought to the starting lineup, but if he is our top rebounder (as he became late in the season), we might as well transfer the Suns to a badminton league (if there is such a thing). :D
 

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What incentive would Bledsoe have to agree to a sign and trade? Especially to Minnesota?
 

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What incentive would Bledsoe have to agree to a sign and trade? Especially to Minnesota?

There would be very little incentive for Bledsoe to agree to a trade to Minnesota. I think that's a large part of why not one single person in this thread has suggested he will be traded there. It can be done but it won't be done. It's far more likely that Eric will stay or Eric will be traded elsewhere for assets that can then be used in a trade with the TWolves.

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The Celtics, guys. Love is going to the Celtics.

So, what is Plan B to get a rebounder in our front court?

I appreciate the hustle that Tucker brought to the starting lineup, but if he is our top rebounder (as he became late in the season), we might as well transfer the Suns to a badminton league (if there is such a thing). :D

Yes because it doesn't matter whether you win or lose, it only matters which player grabs the boards.:D (back at ya)

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The Celtics, guys. Love is going to the Celtics.

So, what is Plan B to get a rebounder in our front court?

I appreciate the hustle that Tucker brought to the starting lineup, but if he is our top rebounder (as he became late in the season), we might as well transfer the Suns to a badminton league (if there is such a thing). :D

I think this would is an excellent topic for a thread title. This is more likely than the Suns trading for Kevin Love.
 

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I think this would is an excellent topic for a thread title. This is more likely than the Suns trading for Kevin Love.

So many times it seems the trade the Suns eventually make comes out of nowhere. IMO Detroit is a potential partner. I also like the idea of trading for a guy that's on the verge of stardom.
 

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I think this would is an excellent topic for a thread title. This is more likely than the Suns trading for Kevin Love.

I hope Love gets traded sooner rather than later so we can stop talking about it. (Unless he gets traded here and then we can talk a lot about it.)
 

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