What would you give for Kevin Love

[AzStevenCal]

1. Parker/Wiggins
2. Vonleh/Gordon

That would be the only players I would consider trading up for and I would hesitate with Vonleh and Gordon since there is bust potential.

If Embiid's back checks out, it would be foolish to not trade up for him if the opportunity arose. And why anyone would trade up for Gordon but not trade up for Randle is beyond me? I agree that Vonleh is a little risky but there aren't a lot of warning signs there so I'd feel pretty good about drafting him. Unlike Gordon who has major bust potential if he's taken in the first 5. I think he'll be a decent NBA player but there will be a lot of second guessing down the road if he's taken before Parker, Embiid, Randle, Wiggins or Vonleh. I have no clue about Exum or where he should really go.

Steve

 

[SirStefan32]

Randle may be the most underrated player in this draft. Sure, his ceiling is not as high as that of Wiggins or Embiid, but there is no chance in hell he will not be a solid player for a long time in the NBA. He reminds me a lot of a non-crazy Zach Randolph.

 

[slinslin]

Randle is smaller than Thomas Robinson. He is undersized, short arms.. He has a lot of weight and limited athletic ability.

Solid he will likely be, not much bust potential but also I don't think a high ceiling..

Gordon will also be solid.

Solid does not warrant trading up for.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Randle is smaller than Thomas Robinson. He is undersized, short arms.. He has a lot of weight and limited athletic ability.

Solid he will likely be, not much bust potential but also I don't think a high ceiling..

Gordon will also be solid.

Solid does not warrant trading up for.

Randle has a 7 foot wingspan which is decent for his height. His standing reach is a little on the short side but he measures the same height as Thomas Robinson. He outweighs Robinson by 8 pounds (at combine time for both) so your claim that he is both smaller than Robinson yet "has a lot of weight" makes no sense. They're all "limited athletically" but Randle has more than enough athleticism to excel in the NBA.

Steve

 

[Finito]

Gordon is horrible sure he's a freak athlete but he has no game at all just a offensive player when the game slows down and there's no excuse for you being a slashing wing player and being that bad a free throw shooter you can't have him in games late

 

[SirStefan32]

His fundamentals are very good for a player of his age. He blocks out which results in rebounds, he is strong enough even at his age to not get pushed around by power 4s and is quick enough to stay in front of face-up 4s. He has a solid low post game (though absolutely no ability to do anything with his off-hand.) That sounds like a pretty damn good player.

He still needs to learn how to pass out of double-teams better, develop some kind of a jumper, and learn to do something with his right hand, but he seems like a guy who is able and willing to learn. I would take him over Gordon any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

EDIT: To clarify, I am talking about Randle.

 

[slinslin]

Randle has a 7 foot wingspan which is decent for his height. His standing reach is a little on the short side but he measures the same height as Thomas Robinson. He outweighs Robinson by 8 pounds (at combine time for both) so your claim that he is both smaller than Robinson yet "has a lot of weight" makes no sense. They're all "limited athletically" but Randle has more than enough athleticism to excel in the NBA.

Steve

He has a 8'9.5 standing reach that is shorter than Markieff Morris.

 

[AzStevenCal]

He has a 8'9.5 standing reach that is shorter than Markieff Morris.

As usual you are muddying the waters. But yes, his standing reach is an inch less than Markieff's although he has more than an inch advantage over Kieff in wingspan. Randle also has a two inch advantage over Markieff in the No Step Vertical and a four inch advantage in the Max Vertical. He's a far better player than Markieff was at the same age. In fact, even if you compare Randle's only season to Markieff's Junior season, Julius still outscored and out rebounded him.

Steve

 

[sunsfan88]

That said, if I’m Minnesota I would have to consider the offer. The goal for them is to get picks and quality young players, and if the Suns can offer that the Timberwolves would not care if Love re-signs there or not.

For Phoenix, it is potentially a lot to give up if you can’t get Love to stay. Really sets your building program back. And you’re almost certainly not going to get Love to stay.

http://www.csnne.com/boston-celtics/suns-preparing-make-trade-offer-love

If we give up the farm for Love and he doesn't stay, then I'd wager that McD won't last much longer than Blanks did in the desert.

 

[Mainstreet]

If we give up the farm for Love and he doesn't stay, then I'd wager that McD won't last much longer than Blanks did in the desert.

I've been repeating over and over again... no Antonio McDyess.

 

[Superbone]

I've been repeating over and over again... no Antonio McDyess.

Yeah, I agree. He's a little on the old side.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Yeah, I agree. He's a little on the old side.

Steve

 

[Mainstreet]

I've been reading over at ESPN that Kevin Love just wants to make the playoffs and be in a place that he can win. If he is not just looking for a big market team, why not the Suns?

I know I have taken the opposite stance, but if Love would be satisfied with the above I think the Suns can deliver.

"No matter what the outcome is, I just want to end up in a great place where I can win," Love said on "SportsNation." "At the end of the day, I've played six years, haven't made the playoffs yet, that burns me and hurts my heart, so I really want to be playing."

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/1...rwolves-kevin-love-hopes-everything-works-out

 

[Mainstreet]

Yeah, I agree. He's a little on the old side.

Ha, Ha.

 

[slinslin]

That Boston Celtics offer is fools gold if Minnesota takes that I don't want to see them compain about sucking another decade.

Sullinger will never be more than a backup on a decent team as he is undersized center with little athletic ability and does nothing well except rebounding. Olynyk doesn't have much potential either.

The #6 pick is only good if Minnesota hits the jackpot in an essentially 4 player draft followed by 7-8 prospects that are on a similiar level.

 

[chickenhead]

I know McHale is gone, and I'm not saying it's a certainty that Love will bring Boston a championship a la Garnett, but do the T-wolves really want to do this again? I wonder if there's a disincentive for them to trade with Boston. Or maybe Boston will just have to overpay...

 

[AzStevenCal]

I know McHale is gone, and I'm not saying it's a certainty that Love will bring Boston a championship a la Garnett, but do the T-wolves really want to do this again? I wonder if there's a disincentive for them to trade with Boston. Or maybe Boston will just have to overpay...

I think adding Ray Allen and Rondo to that team made even more difference than the Garnett trade did. I don't think the Wolves have to worry about egg on their face again if they send Love to Boston unless they leave the Celtics with most of their future picks intact. OTOH, as soon as I typed that I started picturing the Celtics if they added Love and Anthony to their roster so maybe I'm wrong. Anthony is flawed but in the right situation he could still carry a team through a series especially if he's paired with a threat such as Love.

Steve

 

[ASUCHRIS]

I've been repeating over and over again... no Antonio McDyess.

No way we agree to a deal unless we have an agreement with Love prior to the trade.

 

[Mainstreet]

No way we agree to a deal unless we have an agreement with Love prior to the trade.

As I understand it, it would have to be a verbal agreement because Love turns into a free agent after this season.

 

[sunsfan88]

I've been reading over at ESPN that Kevin Love just wants to make the playoffs and be in a place that he can win. If he is not just looking for a big market team, why not the Suns?

I know I have taken the opposite stance, but if Love would be satisfied with the above I think the Suns can deliver.



http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/1...rwolves-kevin-love-hopes-everything-works-out

Suns have only made the playoffs once in the past 5 years though. And it's not like the West is getting any easier.

 

[Mainstreet]

Suns have only made the playoffs once in the past 5 years though. And it's not like the West is getting any easier.

The point I was making, if the Suns added Kevin Love to their current roster or an improved version, making the playoffs should be a relatively easy task.

 

[devilalum]

The point I was making, if the Suns added Kevin Love to their current roster or an improved version, making the playoffs should be a relatively easy task.

IMO its highly likely that if the Suns just stayed healthy next year and made no changes at all they would make the playoffs.

I'm tired of talking about Love. I have not read one single comment anywhere that indicates he has any interest in joining the Suns. There has to be a better fit out there somewhere. Things are really gonna heat up in the next 10 days. The Suns have 3 firsts in a deep draft, they must be getting a lot of calls.

If the finals wrap up today the rumor mill is gonna explode.

 

[AzStevenCal]

IMO its highly likely that if the Suns just stayed healthy next year and made no changes at all they would make the playoffs.

I'm tired of talking about Love. I have not read one single comment anywhere that indicates he has any interest in joining the Suns. There has to be a better fit out there somewhere. Things are really gonna heat up in the next 10 days. The Suns have 3 firsts in a deep draft, they must be getting a lot of calls.

If the finals wrap up today the rumor mill is gonna explode.

I agree with everything you said except, perhaps, this one. If you mean there is a better fit for him, you're probably right. If you mean there is a better fit for us, I certainly don't see who that would be. Frye, when he is at his best, is the kind of forward we need but he spent most of the last two months of the season not being anywhere near his best. Love gives us pretty much everything Channing did on the court and he does it so much better. I think he's the perfect forward for a Dragic/Bledsoe backcourt. It's too bad we don't appear to be on his list.

Bring on the rumors, I'm bored.

Steve

 

[sunsfan88]

If we pass out on Love, I wonder if McD will consider trading up and drafting Vonleh. Good thing about is Vonleh is that he would be under contract for years to come and has a high ceiling and the attributes that we are looking for. Bad thing is, obviously, that he's unproven in the NBA.

 

[Griffin]

It just occurred to me that if Love leaves the T-Wolves this summer, the Suns may never see that first round pick owed to them. It is top-12 protected next two years before turning into a 2nd round pick. I don't see Minnesota outside of top 10 without Love. This year might have been the only real chance the Suns have had at getting that pick, and of course it turned out to be 13th when it was top-13 protected.

So, unless Love comes to Phoenix, it would be in the Suns best interest for Love to stay in Minnesota for one more year.