What would you give up for…

[oaken1]

Uh, DR hasn't played a snap and Beej is raw and unproven. If we're going to sign any Big Johns in the offseason (which is questionable, though we desperately need to), it has to be along the defensive front.

Agree...the offense looks good except for a 6 foot burner for the slot...
This off season has to be about getting some A or A+ front 7 guys... I like our off ball guys and a couple of our trench guys. But we could bring in 5 guys between NT, DT, DE, OLB...and never miss a single guy we had to cut to do it.

Stills,Darius,Beej,Collins....the rest can go.
I know a lot of you don't like Collins...but if we had a pair of penetrator in the middle and a legit pass rusher on the opposite side... I'm pretty sure Collins could pull 6 or 8 sacks a season...simply because he is athletic and fundamentally sound and when the pocket collapses the QB has to go somewhere.... right into Collins arms for the cleanup sack is fine with me.

 

[HairZach]

I'd have no problem with sending away 2 1sts. Same as the Rams gave up for Jalen Ramsey.

The chances of getting someone of Maxx Crosby's caliber with 2 1st round picks are slim to none.

 

[BACH]

For Crosby. A 1st.
I would do a 1st and and a 3rd that Could be a conditional 1st for Myles Garrett.

I Think this team is close to competing. We see how PJJ, Williams, Stills, Wilson (to lesser extend Stills) has developed in their 2nd year.
We see the glimpses of NFL starters from a vast majority of this year’s draft (Small sample size).
Getting proven talent at the biggest position of need would elevate this team.

 

[602 Native]

Maybe you could convince me to trade a 2026 1st.

This

 

[BritCard]

Maxx Crosby?
Total stud and 27 years old. He could be a cornerstone of this defense for years to come.
But at what cost?
I’ll wait to post my opinion after seeing a few of yours.

Wow, this thread is fantasy.

You'd be looking at two 1sts minimum.

29 year old Davante Adams cost the Raiders a 1st round pick, Jalen Ramsey, in his prime as Crossby is, cost two 1sts, Tyreek, in his prime, cost a 1st, 2nd, two 4ths and a 6th. Khalil Mack at age 27 was traded for two 1sts. Jamal freaking Adams cost two 1st round picks. Laremy Tunsil cost two 1st round picks. Frank Clarke cost a 1st round pick. Buckner cost a 1st.

You ain't getting the best pass rusher in the league in his prime for anything less than two 1sts, and it would likely be two 1sts, a 3rd and a 5th type deal. And you'd still look back on it as a steal.

@HairZach is the only one here remotely close to reality.

 

[Gandhi]

For Crosby. A 1st.
I would do a 1st and and a 3rd that Could be a conditional 1st for Myles Garrett.

I Think this team is close to competing. We see how PJJ, Williams, Stills, Wilson (to lesser extend Stills) has developed in their 2nd year.
We see the glimpses of NFL starters from a vast majority of this year’s draft (Small sample size).
Getting proven talent at the biggest position of need would elevate this team.

I would give up that prize for Garrett without thinking twice. The problem is the finances. If the Browns trade Garrett, they would have a cap hit for the next two seasons of 45.5 million. Coupled with their issues with Watson’s cap, and the dead money-hit they will already take for Amari Cooper, it seems unlikely to me that they would do that. While the salary cap doesn’t matter much, you also cannot ignore it.

I would give up a conditional 2nd that could turn into a 1st for Crosby.

 

[DVontel]

Probably a 2nd round pick. He's not cheap. He has two years left on his deal so you probably need to extend him. That's what keeps him from being a 1st rounder IMO. (also this draft looks great for defensive front players so I am not excited about trading top 100 picks.

One of the rare times I agree with Brit.

You guys might be high, lol. No chance in hell we would get Crosby for anything less than a 2025 1st & maybe a 2nd with even more extra Day 2/3 picks if the Raiders felt generous.

 

[BACH]

Wow, this thread is fantasy.

You'd be looking at two 1sts minimum.

29 year old Davante Adams cost the Raiders a 1st round pick, Jalen Ramsey, in his prime as Crossby is, cost two 1sts, Tyreek, in his prime, cost a 1st, 2nd, two 4ths and a 6th. Khalil Mack at age 27 was traded for two 1sts. Jamal freaking Adams cost two 1st round picks. Laremy Tunsil cost two 1st round picks. Frank Clarke cost a 1st round pick. Buckner cost a 1st.

You ain't getting the best pass rusher in the league in his prime for anything less than two 1sts, and it would likely be two 1sts, a 3rd and a 5th type deal. And you'd still look back on it as a steal.

@HairZach is the only one here remotely close to reality.

You are using the wrong data point. Trade price in the off season is NOT the same as mid-season.

Sweat, Young and Williams all went for 3rd rounders last year I believe

 

[football karma]

Sweat, Young and Williams all went for 3rd rounders last year I believe

all were set to be UFAs that coming offseason

 

[BACH]

I would give up that prize for Garrett without thinking twice. The problem is the finances. If the Browns trade Garrett, they would have a cap hit for the next two seasons of 45.5 million. Coupled with their issues with Watson’s cap, and the dead money-hit they will already take for Amari Cooper, it seems unlikely to me that they would do that. While the salary cap doesn’t matter much, you also cannot ignore it.

I would give up a conditional 2nd that could turn into a 1st for Crosby.

YEah, He would need to sign a new deal with the Browns first to lower the cap hit. Then sign a new one once traded. Rumor is that the Browns are looking to unload, but that would be to clear cap

 

[BritCard]

You are using the wrong data point. Trade price in the off season is NOT the same as mid-season.

Sweat, Young and Williams all went for 3rd rounders last year I believe

Sweat, Young and Williams were all players they didn't want to extend on expiring contracts.

 

[PACardsFan]

Stay the course. Do not give up critical draft capital. Draft & develop, draft & develop. Probably no one on this board will agree with me & that’s ok. The last thing I want to see is the Cardinals sneaking into the playoffs with average talent & getting embarrassed.

 

[oaken1]

Stay the course. Do not give up critical draft capital. Draft & develop, draft & develop. Probably no one on this board will agree with me & that’s ok. The last thing I want to see is the Cardinals sneaking into the playoffs with average talent & getting embarrassed.

I agree wholeheartedly with draft and develop.
But dropping a 4th round pick for a developed player that's already playing like you expect a 2nd round guy to play is just good business...especially if the guy is still young enough to play for 5 or 6 more years.
Every draft pick you make is a gamble. Trading for known commodities seriously reduces the risk of failure.

 

[FB94]

Some one mentioned a burner WR. I agree, this team needs a speed WR added. Wilson is a borderline WR 2-3. Jones, Dortch whatever so far. Find a speed guy in the draft.

 

[HairZach]

Stay the course. Do not give up critical draft capital. Draft & develop, draft & develop. Probably no one on this board will agree with me & that’s ok. The last thing I want to see is the Cardinals sneaking into the playoffs with average talent & getting embarrassed.

Stay the course, unless theres something better. Guys like Maxx Crosby and Micah Parsons are almost never made available, if they were you would have to go after them. Guys like them are far more valuable than 2 1st round picks. Once you get past ~ pick 15 you're more likely to get a bust than a superstar.

That's how the Rams won their last Superbowl, throwing 1st rounders at proven talent that was foolishly traded by teams that over value draft picks.

 

[GatorAZ]

I couldn’t care less about day 3 picks. Our franchise QB is in his prime. Pickup two upgrades on the DL.

 

[PACardsFan]

I agree wholeheartedly with draft and develop.
But dropping a 4th round pick for a developed player that's already playing like you expect a 2nd round guy to play is just good business...especially if the guy is still young enough to play for 5 or 6 more years.
Every draft pick you make is a gamble. Trading for known commodities seriously reduces the risk of failure.

I agree with your position, but are there really “known commodities “ that play like 2nd rounders, have 5-6 more years in them, and fit the character mold the Cardinals are looking for? If so, then sure, go get them.

 

[PACardsFan]

Stay the course, unless theres something better. Guys like Maxx Crosby and Micah Parsons are almost never made available, if they were you would have to go after them. Guys like them are far more valuable than 2 1st round picks. Once you get past ~ pick 15 you're more likely to get a bust than a superstar.

That's how the Rams won their last Superbowl, throwing 1st rounders at proven talent that was foolishly traded by teams that over value draft picks.

Do you really think that Crosby & Parsons are available? And if they are, that tells you something about their character. Did you not listen to what Bidwill said he wanted when he hired Monti? The very last thing you’ll see the Cardinals do is attempt to win a SB with older players, and then hit rock bottom again. Michael was very, very clear that he’s looking for sustainable success over a longer stretch of time. We are going to draft, draft, draft & develop, develop, develop. We will trade when we’re a player or two away, and we’re nowhere near being that.

 

[Chopper0080]

One of the rare times I agree with Brit.

You guys might be high, lol. No chance in hell we would get Crosby for anything less than a 2025 1st & maybe a 2nd with even more extra Day 2/3 picks if the Raiders felt generous.

Which is probably why I wouldn’t be able to land him. I could be over my skis about this upcoming draft class but I want to build a top unit and while Crosby is great, I think we would still need more.

 

[oaken1]

I agree with your position, but are there really “known commodities “ that play like 2nd rounders, have 5-6 more years in them, and fit the character mold the Cardinals are looking for? If so, then sure, go get them.

Azeez Ojulari... on pace for about a dozen sacks this year...and only a few years older than his brother BJ...he fits the bill of being both young and productive

 

[Gandhi]

Azeez Ojulari... on pace for about a dozen sacks this year...and only a few years older than his brother BJ...he fits the bill of being both young and productive

If he continues his highly impressive streak today against Washington his price will go to at least a 3rd. I would still consider it.

 

[Garthshort]

So you would have no interest in getting Maxx?
I think a player of his caliber would make our entire d-line a little better.

He would absolutely. But it's ridiculous to talk about it because it will NEVER happen.

 

[Stout]

Stay the course. Do not give up critical draft capital. Draft & develop, draft & develop. Probably no one on this board will agree with me & that’s ok. The last thing I want to see is the Cardinals sneaking into the playoffs with average talent & getting embarrassed.

As K9 said a few days, we now have a ton of young players and a bunch of extra 4th-7th rounders are diminishing in value for us. Monti would be a moron not to considering using them to improve the actual talent on this roster with the team sitting at .500 instead of hoarding magic beans that may turn out to be nothing.

 

[Stout]

Stay the course. Do not give up critical draft capital. Draft & develop, draft & develop. Probably no one on this board will agree with me & that’s ok. The last thing I want to see is the Cardinals sneaking into the playoffs with average talent & getting embarrassed.

Also, it would be a heck of a lot better than missing out.

 

[Stout]

I agree with your position, but are there really “known commodities “ that play like 2nd rounders, have 5-6 more years in them, and fit the character mold the Cardinals are looking for? If so, then sure, go get them.

I sure hope Monti doesn't think like this. The idea that you need a player to be picture perfect and zero risk before you would pull a trigger to get them is devoid of reality. That's exactly how you never get a good enough roster to compete. That's how you never sign a big FA and never trade for a good player and never become a championship team.

GMs too scared to risk anything don't win anything.