When are we going to sign our picks?

[RugbyMuffin]

Who thinks he is overrated? Posters on the forum?

Yep, and a couple.

I think he is fine as a coach by the way. I like how he works with the players and does the exercises. Not to mention he is great for the organization in the sense he is one of the first people seen at the combine, and I think he represents this organization well.

Not to mention I love watching him on the sidelines.


As for Whiz, I haven't seen any list where he is mentioned as one of the NFL's top coaches.

 

[BigRedRage]

Yep, and a couple.

I think he is fine as a coach by the way. I like how he works with the players and does the exercises. Not to mention he is great for the organization in the sense he is one of the first people seen at the combine, and I think he represents this organization well.

Not to mention I love watching him on the sidelines.

so a couple people here who have 0 idea of what goes on in the cardinals weight room think he is over rated....Gotcha.

Thats one I would let slide, buddy.

Whiz is solid. I think everything has improved except the speed of graves with signing people. Nothing else seems SOC to me.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

so a couple people here who have 0 idea of what goes on in the cardinals weight room think he is over rated....Gotcha.

Thats one I would let slide, buddy.

Whiz is solid. I think everything has improved except the speed of graves with signing people. Nothing else seems SOC to me.

Yet, the same people here who have 0 idea of what goes on in the cardinals organization say "This ain't your father's Cardinals" and THAT is truth?

Sounds like we are playing the convenient truth game again!

When the posters on the board claim something that agrees to a person, then they are law and fact of the land, smartest fans EVER.

When the posters on the board claim something that disagrees to a person, then the board is a bunch of schleps that don't know jack.

Gotcha. Good to know.

 

[BigRedRage]

Yet, the same people here who have 0 idea of what goes on in the cardinals organization say "This ain't your father's Cardinals" and THAT is truth?

Sounds like we are playing the convenient truth game again!

When the posters on the board claim something that agrees to a person, then they are law and fact of the land, smartest fans EVER.

When the posters on the board claim something that disagrees to a person, then the board is a bunch of schleps that don't know jack.

Gotcha. Good to know.

Never claimed anyone knows anything really. Simply saying the franchise has been infinitely better statistically, winning%, everything. All I see old school is graves taking forever. Facitilities upgraded, new stadium, winning seasons, playoffs, super bowl berth - lots of stuff we had never seen as Cardinal fans. Yes it got blown up after warner retired but I feel we have built a solid team besides QB ever since.

What we do know is what we see, read and etc. Seeing us win, seeing us in the plyoffs, seeing us contend for top 15 every year is a lot different than calling John Lott over rated because of what? What are we going off of?

He is rated one of the top conditioning coaches in the NFL - How do you rate or over rate that? who has any idea wtf even happens?

Stating the team on the field is miles apart from the old teams is an opinion I can listen to / right or wrong.

Talking about Lott is funny.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Yep, and a couple.

I think he is fine as a coach by the way. I like how he works with the players and does the exercises. Not to mention he is great for the organization in the sense he is one of the first people seen at the combine, and I think he represents this organization well.

Not to mention I love watching him on the sidelines.


As for Whiz, I haven't seen any list where he is mentioned as one of the NFL's top coaches.

Elected member of the Competition Committee. And this is not a "its your turn" group.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Yet, the same people here who have 0 idea of what goes on in the cardinals organization say "This ain't your father's Cardinals" and THAT is truth?

Sounds like we are playing the convenient truth game again!

When the posters on the board claim something that agrees to a person, then they are law and fact of the land, smartest fans EVER.

When the posters on the board claim something that disagrees to a person, then the board is a bunch of schleps that don't know jack.

Gotcha. Good to know.

Good to know that "arrogance" has yet in infect you.

 

[Duckjake]

Every year



Im more concerned about the CC deal. Its starting to become more likely that this season will happen and CC will be gone next year.

On one hand, thats BS. We got to keep our MF'ing talent here. I hate how we always let our talent walk.

On the other hand, CC is surely asking for Mario Williams money. As an organization, you need to put your foot down on some issues.

We just drafted our MF talent. We'll worry about keeping him 4 years from now.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Elected member of the Competition Committee. And this is not a "its your turn" group.

True .
Good point.

 

[Chopper0080]

Gentlemen,
I see this organization saying all the right things, and they are putting in place things to be competitive. Yet, there are very familiar re-occurring problems that this organization does every year, and has done so for decades. This team is .500 under Whiz. 39-39. I understand the excitement and respect it. You wanna call me names, and give me your arrogant and pretentious attitudes that is fine. It does nothing for your arguement. At least Shane gave some arguements. All good, all debatable, and all valid points. I am just not swayed by 2 winning seasons in 20 years. I am not swayed by an alarming lack of talent on the offensive line, and no constancy or direction at QB, along with no faith our current staff can find, coach, and/or groom a QB or offensive lineman to save their lives. And that is just current situations.
Long term, the organization still lets young talent leave without any fight. Then try to replace the talent cheaply at first, and then in the long run any money the organization tries to save by not re-signing talent, they lose by not being able to cheaply replace the talent they lost, then sign high-priced free agents to solve the problem, and then bust on the free agent signings. Thus you get these very average teams with high pay rolls, and average talent.

QUOTE]

As odd as it may sound, this is probably the most young talent we have ever added to our offensive line in the past...10 years if not longer. I understand they are draft picks, but we have added a young RT, OG, and potentially athletic LT. Coupled with Levi Brown and Lyle Sendlein (both under 20 I believe) and we may have the most young talent on our offensive line in recent history. If anything, we are strong in talent and waiting to see if we can develop it. (debatable)

Honestly, I am worried more about our linebacking corp than I am about our offensive line.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Good to know that "arrogance" has yet in infect you.

Ugh. I cannot believe I wasted an hour editting this post, trying to tell you that you are acting like a troll.

What a waste. And quite pathetic for myself.

Dude, long story short, if you wanna act like a jerk, then you will be treated as one. Let people talk about what they want on this board, it is not yours, and you opinion of what is valid enough to be discuss is valued to what my spelling ability is.

Just knock it off, and go bother someone else.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

As odd as it may sound, this is probably the most young talent we have ever added to our offensive line in the past...10 years if not longer. I understand they are draft picks, but we have added a young RT, OG, and potentially athletic LT. Coupled with Levi Brown and Lyle Sendlein (both under 20 I believe) and we may have the most young talent on our offensive line in recent history. If anything, we are strong in talent and waiting to see if we can develop it. (debatable)

Honestly, I am worried more about our linebacking corp than I am about our offensive line.

I am extremely excited about the potential of this offensive line long term.

Three things are worrisome:

1. LT
2. Potential doesn't always equal production
3. What offensive linemen has been "coached up" by the Cardinals ? Sendlein?

 

[Chopper0080]

I am extremely excited about the potential of this offensive line long term.

Three things are worrisome:

1. LT
2. Potential doesn't always equal production
3. What offensive linemen has been "coached up" by the Cardinals ? Sendlein?

Absolutely. We have not proven in any way that we have the ability to make use of and develop young talent. But, at least we finally have hope.

My prediction is, in the next couple years and if he plays OG, Kelemente will be our first All Pro (or whatever designation they will make up to adhere to contract incentives) offensive linemen since Lomas Brown. I am almost confident enough to state he will be starting by the end of the year.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

1000 yard rusher and 10 TD RB in Chris Wells

+1.

True that.

I hope Wells stays healthy, and I am really excited to watch him play this year.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Absolutely. We have not proven in any way that we have the ability to make use of and develop young talent. But, at least we finally have hope.

My prediction is, in the next couple years and if he plays OG, Kelemente will be our first All Pro (or whatever designation they will make up to adhere to contract incentives) offensive linemen since Lomas Brown. I am almost confident enough to state he will be starting by the end of the year.

Yep. I am with you on Kelemete. I think he is our best prospect.

Bobby Massie.........I dunno about his guy. If Alan Branch has taught me anything, that when a player drops like a rock in the draft, and you pick him thinking you have the steal of the century, you end up finding out why he dropped in the draft before you see any potential becoming production.

Cause while Kelemete is a good prospect our OT's are still a glaring weakness.

I hope Massie comes in, and proves everyone wrong about letting him fall. There are kudos to the Cardinals for what they have done, and if all the pieces end up fitting, then we could have a solid offensive line for a couple years.

I am cautiously optimistic, and happy for it.

 

[JAB]

And that has been proven how ?

Seriously, you don't see a difference between today's Cardinals organization and the past?

I would think the fact alone salary cap problems in the manner of getting under it would be enough.

If that isn't enough the realization that Junior is leading the way now and has proven the organization is going to do the best they can to be competitive and spined that new revenue we have from University of Phoenix Stadium should help.

If that's not enough we've only had one losing season out of the last five seasons when was the last time you could say that.

If that's not enough you might want to notice they have built a decent defense with young players and good coaching instead of trying to bring in some washed up has-been.

Contrary to popular belief the loss of an overpaid Antrel Rolle and Carlos Dansby and letting go of a disgruntled Q does not mean this team is no longer keeping their stars. You may not have noticed but we extended Wilson, Darnell Docket and Larry Fitzgerald to be lifelong Cardinals.

If that's not enough I think we had an excellent draft you never know if a player is going to live up to their potential but that doesn't change the fact the value was supposed to be there and they made the right moves that should improve this team all around with young talent and coaching.

This organization IMOH is learning how to be a top-of-the-line organization and each year, I see improvement to getting their. With the construction of University of Phoenix Stadium and the commitment to the product and the leadership I believe today's Arizona cardinals is a franchise that should be copied not one to be embarrassed of.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Ugh. I cannot believe I wasted an hour editting this post, trying to tell you that you are acting like a troll.

What a waste. And quite pathetic for myself.

Dude, long story short, if you wanna act like a jerk, then you will be treated as one. Let people talk about what they want on this board, it is not yours, and you opinion of what is valid enough to be discuss is valued to what my spelling ability is.

Just knock it off, and go bother someone else.

Expressing an opinion about an opinion is hardly proscribed. If anyone is strongly suggesting how people should act, react, feel and think it's you buddy.

 

[Shane]

A HC who's well respected aNd highly thought of throughout NFL CHECK
Matter of opinion. Haven't seen that in print anywhere at anytime. Haven't heard it said anywhere at anytime. That being said, I really like Whiz as a coach as well, and hope he stays here. I love his accountability, even though he is NEVER given credit for taking it.

This one puts him right in upper 3rd by ESPN:
http://www.ballhogsradio.com/2011/04/05/espn-ranks-the-current-nfl-coaches-shanahan-finished-where/

NFL.com: http://www.nfl.com/photoessays/09000d5d82849b56#photo=12

From the sporting news:
http://briandoddonleadership.com/2010/08/29/leadership-styles-of-the-nfls-top-10-coaches/

PFW Top half of league:http://www.profootballweekly.com/2011/06/10/nfl-head-coach-power-rankings

Just a blog:
http://mcilweb.blogspot.com/2009/08/best-current-nfl-coaches.htmlJust a blog:

 

[Shane]

And sorry Rugby but if you cannot see the difference in this organization from the 80s and 90s and early 2000's I don't know what to tell you. This organization is light years away from being the same and run the same. Its not even close. You just can't let the past go and you let it eat at you. Sorry dude.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Expressing an opinion about an opinion is hardly proscribed.

Yeah, there is nothing personal about it right ? Of course.

If anyone is strongly suggesting how people should act, react, feel and think it's you buddy.

LOL.

How so ?

I let people state whatever they want. Just because I don't agree doesn't mean I tell them how to act.

But, whatever, you are 100% correct, like you always are. You are the smart one after all.

Sorry for posting in your world. I will try to be better.

 

[Duckjake]

And sorry Rugby but if you cannot see the difference in this organization from the 80s and 90s and early 2000's I don't know what to tell you. This organization is light years away from being the same and run the same. Its not even close. You just can't let the past go and you let it eat at you. Sorry dude.

Well if the pinheads would quit with the 5-11 seasons while getting the snot kicked out of them 41-7, 41-10,38-7,31-13... and finishing in the bottom of the league in almost every statistical category, for more than 2-3 years at a time it sure would be a lot easier to do that.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Yeah, there is nothing personal about it right ? Of course.



LOL.

How so ?

I let people state whatever they want. Just because I don't agree doesn't mean I tell them how to act.

But, whatever, you are 100% correct, like you always are. You are the smart one after all.

Sorry for posting in your world. I will try to be better.

Love the passive-aggressive teenage angst (lol)

 

[Cardiac]

IMWO (IIRC Rugby you coined this and I like to use it) anyone who doesn't see the improvements in this organization just simply doesn't want to.

As several have already posted since Michael became fully involved with the team the changes have been dramatic and plentiful.

I would go as far to say we started seeing changes as RG started gaining the trust of Sr. and was given more say so and influence. If Michael hadn't come on board then I could see having a debate about SOC's because RG was inching along with the progress and in no way do I see the Cards winning the division two years in a row and a SB appearance without Michael.

Every NFL team has their blunders but with certain teams they are far less noticable because of a rich history of success and stellar moves. If one only references the Cards history as if it started when Michael arrived then the SOC's label wouldn't even be a thought.

Not saying Michael's tenure is without mistakes or even rates this org. as top ten in the league but it certainly isn't squarely in the bottom 5 as it was BM (before Michael). Pun intended.

The very exciting thing is that Michael is an incredibly quick learner and mistakes are not being repeated.

One last note, whenever I see a post that appears to be a SOC theme I do my best not to post until I've had time to calm down and reread the post a couple of times to ensure I'm not misunderstanding the posters intent. I've caught myself jumping to conclussions because of the endless posts bashing everything done or not done or not thought of doing or......by a group of posters.

I guess there is a line of thinking that fans get to Blast their team at will and speak their mind but it's not okay for a fan to Blast back if he disagrees.

While I do get there is a small difference I don't feel one is okay and the other is not. If one likes to Blast then be prepared to be Blasted.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

You just can't let the past go and you let it eat at you. Sorry dude.

Bravo. Well said, and I sincerely mean that.

You are right I cannot let the past go, and I remember the past well.

In a nutshell, the organization hasn't done enough to prove that it will do what it takes to build a winning consistently. Also, while there is hope that the Cardinals learn from their mistakes of the past, they still do some pretty head-scratching moves at times.

While this time of year leads to optimism, I still can't get past why they cannot sign Campbell, why they cost themselves opportunities by not being prepared, instead of scrambling and reacting at times.

And it is 100% fair and right to say we all don't know what is going on behind the scenes, but based on what little we do know for a fact, it seems the Cardinals have such a long, drawn out, process to get certain things done when compared to other teams.

I see it as a disadvantage, and it is one of the things that has to change, that has not.

Thus as you said, the past stays with me. I thought I had it shook after the 2009. But, the exodus of talent in that offseason made an all too familiar impact on me. Then the dog and pony show of D-Wreck brought me back Jeff Blake. Last year was exciting, but like our coach, it was only .500.

But, I am being a negative nelly. Fair enough to say, I agree. But, at least there is some reasoning behind it.

For example:

Above states that nothing was really lost when letting Dansby go, or Boldin go. Why ? Unhappy players that were to be overpaid. Well, happiness and money go hand and hand in this business, so money makes both players happy.

As for the cost ? Is Dansby that much more expensive then Shaun Bradley, and the host of players brought in to replace him ?

Boldin: How many players did we draft, and pay to replace him ? Roberts, Doucet, Breaston, and now a #1 draft pick with Michael Floyd.

I am definitely playing hindsight is 20-20 here, but it has not been all roses for 5 years, this organization has not had a lot of consistency, IMO.

Is this all debatable ? Of course. As you very fairly said, I am very much stuck in the past as I look forward. Without a doubt it effects how I see the organization currently, and in the future.

That is why I come here, so I read other opinions and think about it in regards to my own thinking. A good positive spin, or a nugget of knowledge changes what I think.

.....LOL So, to stop rambling (if that is possible), I am saying it is all good, I am stuck in the past no doubt, but there is reason for it. And reasons why I question this organization.

BTW - This all has NOTHING to do with signing draft picks, and how it will change this offseason because of the CBA.

 

[Shane]

IMWO (IIRC Rugby you coined this and I like to use it) anyone who doesn't see the improvements in this organization just simply doesn't want to.

As several have already posted since Michael became fully involved with the team the changes have been dramatic and plentiful.

I would go as far to say we started seeing changes as RG started gaining the trust of Sr. and was given more say so and influence. If Michael hadn't come on board then I could see having a debate about SOC's because RG was inching along with the progress and in no way do I see the Cards winning the division two years in a row and a SB appearance without Michael.

Every NFL team has their blunders but with certain teams they are far less noticable because of a rich history of success and stellar moves. If one only references the Cards history as if it started when Michael arrived then the SOC's label wouldn't even be a thought.

Not saying Michael's tenure is without mistakes or even rates this org. as top ten in the league but it certainly isn't squarely in the bottom 5 as it was BM (before Michael). Pun intended.

The very exciting thing is that Michael is an incredibly quick learner and mistakes are not being repeated.

One last note, whenever I see a post that appears to be a SOC theme I do my best not to post until I've had time to calm down and reread the post a couple of times to ensure I'm not misunderstanding the posters intent. I've caught myself jumping to conclussions because of the endless posts bashing everything done or not done or not thought of doing or......by a group of posters.

I guess there is a line of thinking that fans get to Blast their team at will and speak their mind but it's not okay for a fan to Blast back if he disagrees.

While I do get there is a small difference I don't feel one is okay and the other is not. If one likes to Blast then be prepared to be Blasted.

Nice post

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Love the passive-aggressive teenage angst (lol)

Glad you like it.