When are we going to sign our picks?

[JAB]

The Ravens look like a good bet to have their entire draft class signed before they start their rookie minicamp this weekend.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/05/09/ravens-lock-up-three-more-draft-picks/

I think we get it time to let it go befor you have a stroke.

Or you could just list all 31 teams and get it over with either way have a meltdown grab a beer and relax you've made your point.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

You are the one who brought the Seahawks into this. I still think they are doing the right thing business wise.

Reason I posted the Ravens link is that they are known to have a very well run front office. They along with the Steelers who are known to have a well run FO are examples that I used.

It's not that I am arguing with you it's just good business to approach what needs to be done and get it done.

Cardinals have always lagged in this area, with MB now running the show you would think he would light a fire under RG.

 

[JAB]

You are the one who brought the Seahawks into this. I still think they are doing the right thing business wise.

Reason I posted the Ravens link is that they are known to have a very well run front office. They along with the Steelers who are known to have a well run FO are examples that I used.

It's not that I am arguing with you it's just good business to approach what needs to be done and get it done.

Cardinals have always lagged in this area, with MB now running the show you would think he would light a fire under RG.

That's fair enough and I don't think you're arguing with me I apologize for taking a shot at you. I'm all for getting them signed as quickly as possible but not at the expense of making our Situation any worse or negotiating bad contracts.

These are March 16th reports............

Besides so far you've mentioned teams that are not near in the same cap situation as we are. Pittsburgh at that time without making any cuts had around 5.8 million to play with. Philadelphia had around 22 million to play with. Baltimore had around 4.7 million to play with. Seattle who I brought up had around 28 million to play with. Then there is the Cardinals at that same time had around 448,000 to play with. I know that doesn't make an excuse for the past, but I think we can give them a little bit of break for this season.

http://blogs.nfl.com/2012/03/16/updated-salary-cap-information-for-all-32-teams/

 

[BullheadCardFan]

Besides so far you've mentioned teams that are not near in the same cap situation as we are. Pittsburgh at that time without making any cuts had around 5.8 million to play with. Philadelphia had around 22 million to play with. Baltimore had around 4.7 million to play with. Seattle who I brought up had around 28 million to play with. Then there is the Cardinals at that same time had around 448,000 to play with. I know that doesn't make an excuse for the past, but I think we can give them a little bit of break for this season.

http://blogs.nfl.com/2012/03/16/updated-salary-cap-information-for-all-32-teams/

Okay, Cards get a little slack for the cap issues.

But since they are working to free up cap space when will they do that? After the up coming OTA's or wait until the week before TC? Are we waiting to see if we are going to keep certain players?

 

[oaken1]

maybe the CC contract is how they are planning to free up cap space......

 

[JAB]

Okay, Cards get a little slack for the cap issues.

But since they are working to free up cap space when will they do that? After the up coming OTA's or wait until the week before TC? Are we waiting to see if we are going to keep certain players?

I think there are several things going on behind the scenes. Obviously we're not done bringing in free agents to take a look at a believe we have one visiting tomorrow. As the other poster suggested Calais Campbell could be holding up the process or it could be just the opposite and they're waiting to sign their rookies before we sign him. Anyway you look at it were going to have to do something to get it all done. It's not as simple for us this year to just sign them. I believe if Campbell was signed and we have looked at and signed all the free agents we were wanting to sign they would be working on the rookies right now.

I guess I really never answered your question. I have no facts, simply my opinion. I don't believe we will sign most of our rookies until just before training camp.

 

[Duckjake]

Still waiting.............. seriously if you can come at me like that and be 100% wrong you should be able to man up and admit it. I can tell you I've had to do it in the past.

I'm not wrong on this.

Receiver Larry Fitzgerald has restructured his contract, but the changes won't have an impact on the Cardinals' salary cap this season.

That increased Fitzgerald's current cap number from $10.75 million to $10.90 million. His cap figure in 2010 decreases by $150,000.

So I'm still waiting for you to prove that the Cards are annually tight up against the salary cap and that's why Fitzgerald has to keep restructuring his contracts. Volunteering to do it and actually doing it as you claimed are two different things.

From July of 2011:

Despite their recent woes, the Cardinals have plenty of cap room to address their needs. Look for them to release their leading rusher in Tim Hightower after drafting Virginia Tech's Ryan Williams.

The Cards were $37 million under the salary cap at the time.

The Cards were $30 million under the salary cap in 2010.

Here's an article from 2007: http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/article_c34043a5-6323-58c0-a5f2-7b387d138671.html

Again $30 million in cap room.

or put players on injured reserve so we can stay under the cap to sign another player.

Oh yeah and I still want to know who all these players are that had to be put on IR to make room under the salary cap.

 

[JAB]

I'm not wrong on this.

What a Joke you're taking NBC's "opinion" over what Fitzgerald and Darren urban said happened we all know, the talking heads are always right. Even if you don't want to believe it was for Relief you are still stuck with your comment that he's never reworked his contract but only for extensions. You couldn't be more wrong if you tryed their was no extension in this deal and they removed his no trade clause. With that you are as worng as they come.

Fitzgerald said he volunteered to restructure the deal to help the Cardinals' cap situation. There is no indication, however, the team made the move to create space to re-sign receiver Anquan Boldin, although Fitzgerald alluded to that.

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Larry Fitzgerald has restructured his contract to create salary-cap room for the Cardinals, Darren Urban says on azcardinals.com

Darren Urban, of AZCardinals.com, reports Arizona Cardinals WR Larry Fitzgerald has restructured his contract to help the team create some extra salary cap space. Fitzgerald said he felt it was something he should do. The new contract has to do with incentives Fitzgerald might earn this season, which under his old contract would have immediately taken up cap space if reached.

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I guess it doesn't make any difference you've claimed he's never restructured at all, unless it was an extension let alone to help with the cap. Even if you want to split hairs this deal did not extend him in any way. So anyway you look at it your the one that needs to learn the facts.​

You need to get your facts right. Fitzgerald has "never restructured his contract to help with cap space". His new deals "were all extensions" "designed to keep him in Arizona".

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Wrong worng and wrong. Removing the no trade clause is definitely what you want to do for long-term security.​

So I'm still waiting for you to prove that the Cards are annually tight up against the salary cap and that's why Fitzgerald has to keep restructuring his contracts. Volunteering to do it and actually doing it as you claimed are two different things.

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You don't believe three separate links and two very credible sources. What on earth could I show you that would make any difference. I'm not going to bother looking up things to much it's a waste but I will do some at the bottom. And your 2010 comment applies to just about all of the NFL. They were all waiting for nuclear winter in the form of a 2011 lockout. ​

Oh yeah and I still want to know who all these players are that had to be put on IR to make room under the salary cap.

That was a mistake in word choice on my behalf I should not have used the word IR in that context. You should know as well as I do players on IR still count against the cap so the move itself wouldn't help. I was referring to a Darren urban article citing the organization keeps around 2 or 3 million under the cap in case they have to put a player on IR and will have the money to pay them and sign another player. I just mest up my wording I would look it up but you dont trust Urban so why bother.

2008 unadjusted salary cap is $116,729,000
Team Adjustments Adjusted Cap
Arizona Cardinals $0 $116,729,000
http://forum.ninercaphell.com/archive/index.php?t-6917.html

2009 Salary Cap Figures Team Adjustments Adjusted Cap
2009 Adjusted Cap $123 million.
2009 Cap Used $121,800,000.

I'm having trouble finding the rest you wouldn't believe the information anyways. After 2007 and excluding 2010, expecting a lockout in 2011 the Cardinals have spent their money as they promised. That's four out of the last six years. I don't really count 2007 it was their first year and they hadn't collected the revenue until they had a full season in the stadium. So I'm comfortable in saying with the construction of the University of Phoenix Stadium except for one year due to a potential lockout they have spent their money every season, and I believe they will continue to do so. You live in the past with inaccurate information I'm moving on, and following what I consider a competent franchise.

You can believe whatever you want, it's obvious you're going to anyways. Even with the facts staring you in the face and getting caught with your pants down you still don't have the courage to admit your wrong so there's no sense in wasting my time.

 

[JAB]

Just for fun.

Just for fun I thought we would cover your position only because I find it amusing your still trying to dig out of it. You're talking about a reworked contract that you had no idea it existed and that they did it for no benefit to either Fitzgerald or the organization. They didn't extend him and they even removed his no trade clause is that what you mean by long-term security with the Cardinals? You're claiming no one received less pay or cap relief they must have been just bored and decided to bring him in for lunch and redid his contract for the fun of it. I think that sums up your rebuttal it's quite the masterpiece.

PS... If nothing else, they did it to free up some cash to help sign players thats even clearer in the NBC piece.

 

[Stout]

Really? Did you even bother to read it or just look at the smile. I did follow it up not to mention a lot of other opinion before that. Besides it gets old listening to people cry about not signing draft picks within days of the draft being over it doesn't even make sense. The last I checked, only one number one pick has even been signed. As I stated, we can't afford to waste money and there's nothing wrong with being methodical patient and not overspending as long as the players get to camp on time. Besides, how can a person with your avatar be offended with a crying smiley? You don't make an adult first impression yourself, you know.

Really really. I read it, and found it unwarranted. The original post wasn't terribly whiny, just an opinion. It didn't warrant a 'you're crying, you're whining, OMFG waaaah' response in any way, shape or form. The OP isn't the one that's become dramatic. I personally realize we're in no hurry to sign our draft picks, but I felt I had to chip in because, more and more, it seems the 'board police' and the 'defend the Cards at all costs' brigade want to rule the roost. El wrongo.

Oh, and my avatar isn't crying. Telling me I don't read your posts but taking a casual glance at my avatar and making something up? Hmm, not a good step. My avatar is grinning and flying two birds. As for adult? Um, who cares? This is a message board, and it's not like a person needs to act presidential or adult in order for his or her opinion or posts to receive merit.

 

[JAB]

Really really. I read it, and found it unwarranted. The original post wasn't terribly whiny, just an opinion. It didn't warrant a 'you're crying, you're whining, OMFG waaaah' response in any way, shape or form. The OP isn't the one that's become dramatic. I personally realize we're in no hurry to sign our draft picks, but I felt I had to chip in because, more and more, it seems the 'board police' and the 'defend the Cards at all costs' brigade want to rule the roost. El wrongo.

Oh, and my avatar isn't crying. Telling me I don't read your posts but taking a casual glance at my avatar and making something up? Hmm, not a good step. My avatar is grinning and flying two birds. As for adult? Um, who cares? This is a message board, and it's not like a person needs to act presidential or adult in order for his or her opinion or posts to receive merit.

You need to work on your reading comprehension then because there was plenty of content discussing the topic it wasn't all about the smiley.

Plus I apologized to the guy and there's no need to bring him back into everything it's all good. Besides I wasn't looking at just that one post but this whole thread in general which he started with a post IMO, complaining about not signing draft picks to early and it simply again IMO was too early for that. His second post just added to more whining again IMO about something that it wasn't time to whine about.

We talked it out he is not whining he's just expressing an opinion that it's better business. As far as your avatar goes I never said it was crying. You were bagging on me for my behavior as unprofessional and I found that ironic from a grown adult who runs with the a signature flipping people off. If that's the way you roll I don't have a problem with it but I certainly wouldn't call people out or putting up questionable material.

Besides just this part of some of that post clears up any misconceptions there was no content on my behalf.

Seriously, who knows why it seems they like to wait to make sure they fall in the right pay slot. However since we are spending up to the cap limit every year making sure you don't overpay and taking your time isn't irrational or cheap any more. With the way our franchise is now spending money every hundred thousand dollars counts.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Darren Urban chimes in on the subject:
http://blog.azcardinals.com/2012/05/10/the-rookies-dont-have-to-sign-yet/


Disclaimer: The post above is for informative uses only. Any precieved un-needed negativity, whining, etc., etc. is not from Rugbymuffin. If one of you over aggressive defenders of Rod Graves/Cardinals organization honor wants to complain like a 5 year on the subject matter, then send an email to Darren Urban about it. The above are his words not mine, so save your aggressive assumptions for him.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

Darren Urban chimes in on the subject:
http://blog.azcardinals.com/2012/05/10/the-rookies-dont-have-to-sign-yet/

Thanks Rugby.

From that article:

Now, though, because of the new CBA, rookie contracts are slotted and set harder than in years past. The reason guys have signed so fast other places is because there really isn’t much negotiating to do. Because of that, the rookies will sign quicker. Every guy will be signed before camp. There’s no reason to fret right now.

That paragraph is perfect FO speak and sounds like it came straight from RG's mouth. One part says they are signing fast because it's easy and then it says don't fret. What in the world are they trying to say? We like waiting until the last minute to do things and be rushed?

It's like my son saying that his assignment in class is so easy he can let it go until the night before. Why not get it done and out of the way to work on other things? Doesn't make sense to me unless it has to do with the cap issue like JAB keeps talking about.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

Okay I am done with my ranting. Won't make any difference anyways. Just wanted to voice my opinion on how I see it.

Thanks for all the input from everyone.

 

[Shane]

Thanks Rugby.

From that article:



That paragraph is perfect FO speak and sounds like it came straight from RG's mouth. One part says they are signing fast because it's easy and then it says don't fret. What in the world are they trying to say? We like waiting until the last minute to do things and be rushed?

It's like my son saying that his assignment in class is so easy he can let it go until the night before. Why not get it done and out of the way to work on other things? Doesn't make sense to me unless it has to do with the cap issue like JAB keeps talking about.

The better question here is why do you care? I mean really. If the players are signed and in camp on time it doesn't matter if they signed 100 days or 100 minutes before. It's simple hand wringing for the sake of something to complain about.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

The better question here is why do you care? I mean really. If the players are signed and in camp on time it doesn't matter if they signed 100 days or 100 minutes before. It's simple hand wringing for the sake of something to complain about.

I guess it's because I am a very pro active person in my life and at work.

I really don't have a clue on what goes on in the FO and all of this is just my opinion. I am a very passionate fan and I want so bad for the club to succeed and with all the improvements MB has brought to the club I would have thought this area would change.

 

[JAB]

Darren Urban chimes in on the subject:
http://blog.azcardinals.com/2012/05/10/the-rookies-dont-have-to-sign-yet/


Disclaimer: The post above is for informative uses only. Any precieved un-needed negativity, whining, etc., etc. is not from Rugbymuffin. If one of you over aggressive defenders of Rod Graves/Cardinals organization honor wants to complain like a 5 year on the subject matter, then send an email to Darren Urban about it. The above are his words not mine, so save your aggressive assumptions for him.

First of all, I don't like Rod Graves don't put me in that group even though I defend the organization. Secondly, people can pick and choose from that article to defend their side as they wish. I will pick this part of what he had to say and agree with it completely.

But the reality is this: There is no reason, at this point, for rookies to sign. And given the new collective bargaining agreement, it’s not going to matter. The circumstances provide a two-fold explanation. There has never been a reason for rookies to have signed for offseason work.

almost every draft pick — and every Cardinal draft pick that I can remember — started offseason minicamp/OTAs without a rookie contract. The players instead sign injury waivers, which basically guarantees a rookie his “normal” contract even if he gets hurt during minicamp or other team work.

There will be no issue with the draft picks participating, even though they haven’t scribbled on the dotted line yet.

It's a nonissue IMO if they're going to have a problem with their contract it doesn't matter if it's today it's going to carry into camp either way. I don't see it as a problem or the need for concern to have it done yesterday. It will get done and everyone will get their work in.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

It's simple hand wringing for the sake of something to complain about.

True, IF people are actually hand wringing about it.

I can only speak for myself, but I am not wringing hands over this, or freaking out, or even think of it as a negative or positive.

The topic, because of the CBA, and the new rules, is interesting to talk about. What sucks is that there are some that are not interested but still need to chime in with snotty remarks. It is unwarranted thus they are getting called out for it.

 

[JeffGollin]

This thread has everything going for it except Susan Lucci.

 

[Shane]

I guess it's because I am a very pro active person in my life and at work.

I really don't have a clue on what goes on in the FO and all of this is just my opinion. I am a very passionate fan and I want so bad for the club to succeed and with all the improvements MB has brought to the club I would have thought this area would change.

I get that. Im just as passionate. But with the new system in place it really is irrelevant as to when they sign. Just as long as they do.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

True, IF people are actually hand wringing about it.

I can only speak for myself, but I am not wringing hands over this, or freaking out, or even think of it as a negative or positive.

The topic, because of the CBA, and the new rules, is interesting to talk about. What sucks is that there are some that are not interested but still need to chime in with snotty remarks. It is unwarranted thus they are getting called out for it.

I'll repeat the so called snotty comment, that Rugby takes such offence to:

Every year... the same thread. It'll get done in a timely fashion...

Really offensive isn't it?

 

[Stout]

You need to work on your reading comprehension then because there was plenty of content discussing the topic it wasn't all about the smiley.

Plus I apologized to the guy and there's no need to bring him back into everything it's all good. Besides I wasn't looking at just that one post but this whole thread in general which he started with a post IMO, complaining about not signing draft picks to early and it simply again IMO was too early for that. His second post just added to more whining again IMO about something that it wasn't time to whine about.

We talked it out he is not whining he's just expressing an opinion that it's better business. As far as your avatar goes I never said it was crying. You were bagging on me for my behavior as unprofessional and I found that ironic from a grown adult who runs with the a signature flipping people off. If that's the way you roll I don't have a problem with it but I certainly wouldn't call people out or putting up questionable material.

Besides just this part of some of that post clears up any misconceptions there was no content on my behalf.

I misunderstood about the smiley thing. Thought you were referencing my avatar, but you were talking about the smiley you used. My bad.

Hey, you're square with the guy, so all is cool. I'm not bagging on you for being unprofessional. I'm just tired of some of the unnecessary sniping going around lately. I'll argue and get into it with another poster to my dying day, but that's because I argue issues themselves. So, you're good, we're good, everyone's good, okay? Sorry, couldn't help putting in a Hill Street Blues reference

Darren Urban chimes in on the subject:
http://blog.azcardinals.com/2012/05/10/the-rookies-dont-have-to-sign-yet/


Disclaimer: The post above is for informative uses only. Any precieved un-needed negativity, whining, etc., etc. is not from Rugbymuffin. If one of you over aggressive defenders of Rod Graves/Cardinals organization honor wants to complain like a 5 year on the subject matter, then send an email to Darren Urban about it. The above are his words not mine, so save your aggressive assumptions for him.

5/5

 

[JAB]

I misunderstood about the smiley thing. Thought you were referencing my avatar, but you were talking about the smiley you used. My bad.

Hey, you're square with the guy, so all is cool. I'm not bagging on you for being unprofessional. I'm just tired of some of the unnecessary sniping going around lately. I'll argue and get into it with another poster to my dying day, but that's because I argue issues themselves. So, you're good, we're good, everyone's good, okay? Sorry, couldn't help putting in a Hill Street Blues reference

Alright then were all good. The Cardinals signed Calais Campbell to a five-year deal now Rod Graves can work on the rookies and everyone's questions have been answered......................

well not all the questions. You guys put up those 5/5 thing and I have no idea what that means except for you agree with one another in some manner.

 

[Stout]

well not all the questions. You guys put up those 5/5 thing and I have no idea what that means except for you agree with one another in some manner.

It's a humor scale. 5/5 means I found what he posted extremely funny, that's all.

 

[Chopper0080]

Alright then were all good. The Cardinals signed Calais Campbell to a five-year deal now Rod Graves can work on the rookies and everyone's questions have been answered......................

well not all the questions. You guys put up those 5/5 thing and I have no idea what that means except for you agree with one another in some manner.

One step at a time people. The human snail reference is very appropriate, but at least he is getting things done now. Looks like Fitz is pushing him as well.