When are we going to sign our picks?

[gmabel830]

Getting back on topic...

I'd be interested in seeing a breakdown of all of the teams and how many draft picks they have signed to show that we are behind the curve on this. I've seen a blurb here and a blurb there about players behind signed, but nothing to indicate we are significantly behind what other teams are doing.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

I guess there is a line of thinking that fans get to Blast their team at will and speak their mind but it's not okay for a fan to Blast back if he disagrees.

While I do get there is a small difference I don't feel one is okay and the other is not. If one likes to Blast then be prepared to be Blasted.

Of course.

That is the point of a message board.

But blast the message, not the messenger.

I don't see how if my response to your post is: "Well, you are a jerk, and an idiot". That that fits into anything anywhere.

For example, if I am SO STUPID, and SO BLIND then my opinion/post/message is easy to debate. Furthermore, if it is so stupid that I can't even handle it, then just move on to the next, and disregard.

But that is just me. If people want to sit around insulting people for some reason or another they can. But, again, prepare for the response.

I would hate for people to stop posting their opinions because one or two people don't find it "acceptable post".

Tho "abstract" a guy like THESMEL may be a little outside the box, but sometimes that is where the best stuff comes from.

Just sayin'

Good stuff.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Getting back on topic...

I'd be interested in seeing a breakdown of all of the teams and how many draft picks they have signed to show that we are behind the curve on this. I've seen a blurb here and a blurb there about players behind signed, but nothing to indicate we are significantly behind what other teams are doing.

Agreed.

I think it differs from organization to organization at this point. I would assume the new CBA has something to do with it.

BTW - Irvin signed with the Seahawks.

Can't find a link or site that tracks whose been signed, but the Bucs cut a whole boat load of players today.

 

[Cardiac]

Of course.

That is the point of a message board.

But blast the message, not the messenger.

I don't see how if my response to your post is: "Well, you are a jerk, and an idiot". That that fits into anything anywhere.

For example, if I am SO STUPID, and SO BLIND then my opinion/post/message is easy to debate. Furthermore, if it is so stupid that I can't even handle it, then just move on to the next, and disregard.

But that is just me. If people want to sit around insulting people for some reason or another they can. But, again, prepare for the response.

I would hate for people to stop posting their opinions because one or two people don't find it "acceptable post".

Tho "abstract" a guy like THESMEL may be a little outside the box, but sometimes that is where the best stuff comes from.

Just sayin'

Good stuff.

Be assured that it is my respect for your opinions and fandom that I will not simply move on or ignore you.

Point in case is in your response to Shane, you truly have an open mind and more importantly will own up to a potential "flaw/mistake/incorrect hypothesis" etc.

My flaw (at least that I'm currently admitting to) is a get too defensive of my team. This is why I count to ten etc. when responding to posts that ruffle my feathers.

IMWO Crazy Canuck was not being insulting to you but it wouldn't be the first time someone took exception to a post of his and me being all fat dumb and happy didn't see the foul.

Back on topic, I think the Jets have already signed Coples and I'm sure they signed Hill (2nd rd pick).

 

[Cardiac]

Nice post

Thanks, but is was your post that helped Rugby look harder at the other side of the coin.

That's my way of saying ....Great Post Shane.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Thanks, but is was your post that helped Rugby look harder at the other side of the coin.

With props to Shane.

That is what everyone's posts do a majority of the time, and that is why I come here. To see the each side of the coin, and everyone's interpretation of said side they are on.

Case in point, 5 or 6 years ago the board was talking about TE's, and how well any of them block. Of course someone brought up, "who watches the TE's block?".

I thought, "good point, maybe I will start doing so". So that is why I was so happy to get Jeff King last year. I had NO idea he could catch, but I knew he could block. Why? Cause I actually started looking for it.

Beware. When you really key in on something it can be painful to watch. The Cardinals TE's blocking was depressing. Before this current group, Anthony Becht was the only one I saw who could set an edge.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

The Cards as an organization have improved. They really couldn't get much worse. However, in relation to the rest of the NFL, the front office is still near the bottom rung on the ladder. They have improved in drafting, improved in coaching, but when it comes to retaining their talent and free agency, they are still severely lacking. Getting the new pro personnel front office guy may change this but until they start keeping their own best players and stop spending money on free agents that have zero business receiving those kind of contracts (see Porter, Joey and Bradley, Stewart), they will continue to be hamstrung.

Look at it this way. The top 5 organizations are easy to identify. NE, Pitt, GB, NYG, and Philly are generally considered the best. On the other hand, Cincy, Ari, Oak, Mia, Det(although that is changing with Mayhew) and Was are among the worst. The correlation is the good teams have strong GM's and ownership and have stayed true to their colors. The bad teams have had poor GM's (Graves, Millen), poor, meddlesome owners (Snyder, the clown from Miami), or both (Davis and Brown). Mike Bidwill seems to be changing the Cards dynamic and looks to be taking steps to improve the front office but they still have a long way to go to shed the image of being the same old Cardinals.

 

[Duckjake]

Of course.

That is the point of a message board.

But blast the message, not the messenger.

I don't see how if my response to your post is: "Well, you are a jerk, and an idiot". That that fits into anything anywhere.

For example, if I am SO STUPID, and SO BLIND then my opinion/post/message is easy to debate. Furthermore, if it is so stupid that I can't even handle it, then just move on to the next, and disregard.

But that is just me. If people want to sit around insulting people for some reason or another they can. But, again, prepare for the response.

I would hate for people to stop posting their opinions because one or two people don't find it "acceptable post".

Tho "abstract" a guy like THESMEL may be a little outside the box, but sometimes that is where the best stuff comes from.

Just sayin'

Good stuff.

Exactly. I don't understand why some people can't get this and instead have to type in jerk.

To your OT. I don't see why a team that uses the injury waivers would be in a rush to sign their top couple of guys even at half of what it used to cost. Why pay out the cash any sooner than you have to? As for the later round guys I don't think the new CBA will have much effect on them as they didn't have much impact on the teams cash flow previously. I haven't seen anything in the new CBA that would change that.

Cards have historically started signing their picks in June so they're not behind.

 

[JAB]

Getting back on topic...

I'd be interested in seeing a breakdown of all of the teams and how many draft picks they have signed to show that we are behind the curve on this. I've seen a blurb here and a blurb there about players behind signed, but nothing to indicate we are significantly behind what other teams are doing.

Normally, this news has been blogged all over the place, but I'm having trouble finding it. It must be too early the only thing I found pertains to round one. Out of the 32 picks so far only the Seahawks have signed their first-round draft pick that was as of yesterday.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/0900...ing-status-of-2012-nfl-draft-firstround-picks

 

[joeshmo]

Just like the Cowboys and other cap strapped teams they will wait until after June 1st. When cuts at that time or cuts made a month ago that have been delegated as june 1st cuts go into effect with the cap implications of the cuts being spreadout more then just regular cuts. Not sure if that is the issue or not but it is for a lot of teams.

IMO, if they are all participating in offseason activities and as long as they are even signed just one hour before training camp and don't miss a minute, I just dont care and refuse to wring my hands over it until they do miss a minute of training camp.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

Steelers getting it done.

Steelers strike deal with Mike Adams

Adams is the fourth Steelers draft pick to sign, adding to a rash of rookie signings that are occurring far earlier than usual, thanks to the new, simplified rookie wage scale.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/05/09/steelers-strike-deal-with-mike-adams/

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Steelers strike deal with Mike Adams

Adams is the fourth Steelers draft pick to sign, adding to a rash of rookie signings that are occurring far earlier than usual, thanks to the new, simplified rookie wage scale.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/05/09/steelers-strike-deal-with-mike-adams/

Not sure if that bolded part is true or not. There is a lot of misinformation about how the new CBA works out in the media right now.

 

[JAB]

Steelers strike deal with Mike Adams

Adams is the fourth Steelers draft pick to sign, adding to a rash of rookie signings that are occurring far earlier than usual, thanks to the new, simplified rookie wage scale.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/05/09/steelers-strike-deal-with-mike-adams/

Well I guess we might as well crown them Super Bowl champions they accomplished something that has put us so far behind we will be lucky to win a game next year.

Now that they have done that they're allowed and able to do exactly what that were not going to be able to do as long as we get our players signed by camp? Besides can you mention the player or players that are not participating in voluntary workouts?

Seriously as long as they don't miss any time who cares. Unless there is one particular player that has a big issue with their offer every one's going to be here for everything and everyone is going to get signed on time to get the job done. You don't get any extra wins for signing a few draft picks earlier than other teams.

The Cardinals can't do anything right.


Sincerely

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Seriously, who knows why it seems they like to wait to make sure they fall in the right pay slot. However since we are spending up to the cap limit every year making sure you don't overpay and taking your time isn't irrational or cheap any more. With the way our franchise is now spending money every hundred thousand dollars counts.

 

[Duckjake]

Seriously, who knows why it seems they like to wait to make sure they fall in the right pay slot. However since we are spending up to the cap limit every year making sure you don't overpay and taking your time isn't irrational or cheap any more. With the way our franchise is now spending money every hundred thousand dollars counts

This is the first time in recent memory that the Cards have been up against the cap limit.

What Bullhead's post does do is answer Rugby's question about the new CBA speeding up the signing of draft picks.

On the other hand I'm with you. As long as the new guys are signed in time for camp and are participating in OTA's etc. using the injury waivers it really doesn't matter if the Cardinals are matching other teams in signing players.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Sincerely

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Having a hard time finding the whine and crying in his post.

Maybe the Kool-aiders are being a little over-aggressive for defending the organization?

 

[Stout]

Having a hard time finding the whine and crying in his post.

Maybe the Kool-aiders are being a little over-aggressive for defending the organization?

It's just another example of insulting the poster and not responding to the post, Rugby.

 

[JAB]

It's just another example of insulting the poster and not responding to the post, Rugby.

Really? Did you even bother to read it or just look at the smile. I did follow it up not to mention a lot of other opinion before that. Besides it gets old listening to people cry about not signing draft picks within days of the draft being over it doesn't even make sense. The last I checked, only one number one pick has even been signed. As I stated, we can't afford to waste money and there's nothing wrong with being methodical patient and not overspending as long as the players get to camp on time. Besides, how can a person with your avatar be offended with a crying smiley? You don't make an adult first impression yourself, you know.

Seriously, who knows why it seems they like to wait to make sure they fall in the right pay slot. However since we are spending up to the cap limit every year making sure you don't overpay and taking your time isn't irrational or cheap any more. With the way our franchise is now spending money every hundred thousand dollars counts.

This is the first time in recent memory that the Cards have been up against the cap limit.

Is that why Fitzgerald has to keep restructuring his contract? Seriously we have been within a couple million dollars of the ceiling the last several years besides the uncaped year with a lot of teams holding back due to the pending lockout. This is hardly the first year we've had to rework deals to stay under the cap or put players on injured reserve so we can stay under the cap to sign another player.

 

[Duckjake]

Really? Did you even bother to read it or just look at the smile. I did follow it up not to mention a lot of other opinion before that. Besides it gets old listening to people cry about not signing draft picks within days of the draft being over it doesn't even make sense. The last I checked, only one number one pick has even been signed. As I stated, we can't afford to waste money and there's nothing wrong with being methodical patient and not overspending as long as the players get to camp on time. Besides, how can a person with your avatar be offended with a crying smiley? You don't make an adult first impression yourself, you know.





Is that why Fitzgerald has to keep restructuring his contract? Seriously we have been within a couple million dollars of the ceiling the last several years besides the uncaped year with a lot of teams holding back due to the pending lockout. This is hardly the first year we've had to rework deals to stay under the cap or put players on injured reserve so we can stay under the cap to sign another player.

You need to get your facts right. Fitzgerald has never restructured his contract to help with cap space. His new deals were all extensions designed to keep him in Arizona. As for the Cards and cap space do some research. They havent had cap issues in years until now. The last time I can recall was 1997 when Garrison Hearst was a cap casualty. Putting guys on IR to gain cap space? Where in the world did you get that?

 

[RugbyMuffin]

You need to get your facts right. Fitzgerald has never restructured his contract to help with cap space. His new deals were all extensions designed to keep him in Arizona. As for the Cards and cap space do some research. They havent had cap issues in years until now. The last time I can recall was 1997 when Garrison Hearst was a cap casualty. Putting guys on IR to gain cap space? Where in the world did you get that?

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/cardinals/articles/2009/08/20/20090820spt-cardsnotes.html

 

[JAB]

You need to get your facts right. Fitzgerald has never restructured his contract to help with cap space. His new deals were all extensions designed to keep him in Arizona. As for the Cards and cap space do some research. They havent had cap issues in years until now. The last time I can recall was 1997 when Garrison Hearst was a cap casualty. Putting guys on IR to gain cap space? Where in the world did you get that?

I have my facts straight. Do you remember back with the whole Q fiasco going on Larry Fitzgerald restructured his contract and everyone was hoping it was to bring in money to get a new contract done for Q. He and Warner both promised they would do that so most speculated. He restructured his contract but it wasn't for Q It was so the team could have enough room under the cap in case a player got hurt they could sign a free-agent and to just have some room in general. I might be new to posting full time on this forum and I'm not always 100% right but I'm not new to the Cardinals and you're off on this one.

Darren Urban, of AZCardinals.com, reports Arizona Cardinals WR Larry Fitzgerald has agreed to restructure his contract to help the team create some more salary cap space. The restructuring involved incentives Fitzgerald could have earned this season.

 

[JAB]

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/cardinals/articles/2009/08/20/20090820spt-cardsnotes.html

I guess some people should spend less time, thinking they got it all figured out and spend more time learning the facts themselves.

From your link.......................

This was in 09.

Fitzgerald said he volunteered to restructure the deal to help the Cardinals' cap situation.​

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Apology from Duckjake in 1...2....3....​

 

[JAB]

Still waiting.............. seriously if you can come at me like that and be 100% wrong you should be able to man up and admit it. I can tell you I've had to do it in the past.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

Eagles getting it done also

Eagles G.M. Howie Roseman told PFT last week that the team would try to get a bunch of its draft picks signed before this weekend’s rookie minicamp.

Three more draft picks are under contract.

The team has announced that second-round defensive end Vinny Curry (pictured), fifth-round tackle Dennis Kelly, and sixth-round receiver Marvin McNutt have agreed to terms on four-year deals.

On Tuesday, the Eagles signed linebacker Mychal Kendricks, a second-round pick.

The new CBA makes it easier to negotiate rookie deals. Roseman explained that having the contracts signed before the launch of offseason workouts gives first-year players greater peace of mind.

Have to agree with Eagles philosophy here. Get the late rounders signed so it's out of the way and then get working on the 1st and 3rd pick.

It's not a "winning the off season" thinking that I am talking about. It's simple business practice. Get it done instead of waiting and waiting.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...three-more-draft-picks-including-vinny-curry/

 

[JAB]

Have to agree with Eagles philosophy here. Get the late rounders signed so it's out of the way and then get working on the 1st and 3rd pick.

It's not a "winning the off season" thinking that I am talking about. It's simple business practice. Get it done instead of waiting and waiting.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...three-more-draft-picks-including-vinny-curry/

Well, worrying about the team's success is definitely something worthy of a fan. If you want to look up a team to drive your point home try Seattle I think they signed all but one player already??????

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/05/07/seattle-signs-seven-more-draft-picks/

Personally, until they miss any part of workouts due to contracts I'm not concerned. But to each his own.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

Ravens also

The Ravens look like a good bet to have their entire draft class signed before they start their rookie minicamp this weekend.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/05/09/ravens-lock-up-three-more-draft-picks/