Whis Is At Auburns Pro Day

[kerouac9]

Absolutely. It sickens me that people are bashing him for a slow 40 time. Most of the best recent QBs have had slow 40 times. They mean absolutely nothing. Cam Newton has a cannon arm and...and...and...oh wait, everything else mechanically pretty much sucks right now. Yet everyone wants to ride Newton's jock. He's athletic and Mallett is not. Yeah, we get that. I'd still be willing to bet that Mallett turns out to be a better starting QB than Newton. Easily.

Yes. Mobility is not essential for a top quarterback. All you need is a big arm.

Sincerely,

Drew Bledsoe circa 2004 & Jeff George

*Huff* *Puff* Me Too! --JaMarcus Russell

P.S.

Ryan Mallett could just barely outrun Deuce Lutui when he came out in the draft.

 

[Stout]

Yes. Mobility is not essential for a top quarterback. All you need is a big arm.

Sincerely,

Drew Bledsoe circa 2004 & Jeff George

*Huff* *Puff* Me Too! --JaMarcus Russell

P.S.

Ryan Mallett could just barely outrun Deuce Lutui when he came out in the draft.

Wow, you must not believe your own argument, as you argue against yourself in your own post. JaMarcus Russell was supposed to be an athletic QB coming out of college. He ate himself out of that, but let's not forget how he was billed coming out of college.

I love how you say 'Drew Bledsoe circa 2004'...and fail to mention the Bledsoe that made the Super Bowl. If you're going to disagree, at least pick a player that doesn't refute your own argument.

Oh, and Brady and Rivers both ran the 40 in over 5 seconds. Warner probably ran a 6.0 40 whilst with us. Marino couldn't beat out my grandmother in a 40. Yeah, you're right, slow QBs can't get it done in the league.

You do realize that 40 time has nothing to do with the ability to shuffle in the pocket, right? That's footwork, not straight-line speed.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I heard on the radio that Mallett hit 49 of 50 passes at his pro day. That's quite a bit better than 50 of 60.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

He's not like that at the Cardinals Golf tournament. Very friendly and accessible.

that's cause he knows he's about to play you for $10 automatics .

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Wow, you must not believe your own argument, as you argue against yourself in your own post. JaMarcus Russell was supposed to be an athletic QB coming out of college. He ate himself out of that, but let's not forget how he was billed coming out of college.

I love how you say 'Drew Bledsoe circa 2004'...and fail to mention the Bledsoe that made the Super Bowl. If you're going to disagree, at least pick a player that doesn't refute your own argument.

Oh, and Brady and Rivers both ran the 40 in over 5 seconds. Warner probably ran a 6.0 40 whilst with us. Marino couldn't beat out my grandmother in a 40. Yeah, you're right, slow QBs can't get it done in the league.

You do realize that 40 time has nothing to do with the ability to shuffle in the pocket, right? That's footwork, not straight-line speed.

In K9's defense Shefter and Mayock were killing Mallet on his 40 time calling him immobile and a statue.

When it comes to leading a football team, everything matters.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

He's not like that at the Cardinals Golf tournament. Very friendly and accessible.

Charity event right? That doesn't surprise me.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

That being said, I would rather draft Mallet in the second than Newton in the first. Same with Locker.

I want no part of Gabbert

 

[Chris_Sanders]

From Darren Urban

– There was that “other” pro day yesterday. Arkansas, with QB Ryan Mallett. And he ran a 5.37 40-yard dash. That’s way slow. As a point of reference, Cards tackle Levi Brown ran a 5.40 40 when he came out, guard Deuce Lutui a 5.45 and center Lyle Sendlein a 5.24. Peyton Manning and Dan Marino, neither of whom are considered runners, were under five seconds when they came out.

Does it matter? Maybe not. It’s not like you are going to ask Mallett to rush 15 times a game. But it definitely makes you wonder about his ability to move in the pocket if the play breaks down.

 

[Stout]

As I said, I'm not concerned with Mallett's 40 time. I would be curious to see how his footwork drills compare to other QBs, however. Also, how did he look dropping back? Those things are actually, you know, relevant.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

As I said, I'm not concerned with Mallett's 40 time. I would be curious to see how his footwork drills compare to other QBs, however. Also, how did he look dropping back? Those things are actually, you know, relevant.

No expert, but footwork looked good on the NFL Network and no one on the panel brought it up as a negative. They raved about his arm, and said that he is the most Pro ready QB in this draft.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

In K9's defense Shefter and Mayock were killing Mallet on his 40 time calling him immobile and a statue.

When it comes to leading a football team, everything matters.

I watch Mayoch religiously and never heard the term "statue". Did, however, hear him rave about his arm; his ability to make all throws, and that he is the most Pro ready QB in this draft.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Having met Whis a few times, he isn't exactly the guy who just walks up and shakes someone's hand. Even around players he is somewhat stand offish. I would consider that pretty significant.

.... But, Newton who has scheduled a host of private workouts doesn't have one with the Cards.

 

[kerouac9]

Wow, you must not believe your own argument, as you argue against yourself in your own post. JaMarcus Russell was supposed to be an athletic QB coming out of college. He ate himself out of that, but let's not forget how he was billed coming out of college.

I love how you say 'Drew Bledsoe circa 2004'...and fail to mention the Bledsoe that made the Super Bowl. If you're going to disagree, at least pick a player that doesn't refute your own argument.

Oh, and Brady and Rivers both ran the 40 in over 5 seconds. Warner probably ran a 6.0 40 whilst with us. Marino couldn't beat out my grandmother in a 40. Yeah, you're right, slow QBs can't get it done in the league.

You do realize that 40 time has nothing to do with the ability to shuffle in the pocket, right? That's footwork, not straight-line speed.

1) Russell was never an athletic QB, even at LSU.

2) That's because Ryan Mallett has the mobility of Drew Bledsoe circa 2004; Drew Bledsoe circa 1995 would've run circles around Ryan Mallett.

3) I can't believe that you can say these things after watching this team last season. Do you think that with another OL reshuffling that this offensive line is suddenly going to create a perfect pocket for a mannequin (with a long stride in his throwing motion, BTW--can't operate in the phone booth) like Mallett?

Apparently whether or not a big arm matters depends on how much you're trying to justify the prospect to yourself and others. The fact that three of the last four Super Bowl QBs had above-average mobility and Peyton Manning was still markedly faster than Mallett coming out of college doesn't apparently play a role.

 

[Southpaw]

No expert, but footwork looked good on the NFL Network and no one on the panel brought it up as a negative. They raved about his arm, and said that he is the most Pro ready QB in this draft.

Saw and heard the same thing about his footwork. Used him as an example for the other QBs failings. He and Ponder seemed to have best footwork.

 

[kerouac9]

"His passing session was the most impressive of all the pro days I've been to," McShay said. "His footwork for such a big quarterback was surprising. He was nimble in his dropbacks and when he's rolling out and throwing on the run. We all knew coming in that his arm strength is extraordinary. The ball just explodes out of his hands. His 73rd, 74th and 75th throws, he was flicking the ball 60 yards with his wrist and putting it right on the numbers."

Hmm... Who is being talked about here?

 

[Stout]

No expert, but footwork looked good on the NFL Network and no one on the panel brought it up as a negative. They raved about his arm, and said that he is the most Pro ready QB in this draft.

Yeah, soon after my last post, I heard them raving about his footwork and--K9, I want to make sure the hater reads this so pay attention--completely dismissed his 40 time. Do Mayoch and Lombardi have enough expertise and knowledge for you?

I watch Mayoch religiously and never heard the term "statue". Did, however, hear him rave about his arm; his ability to make all throws, and that he is the most Pro ready QB in this draft.

Yep, heard that too.

1) Russell was never an athletic QB, even at LSU.

2) That's because Ryan Mallett has the mobility of Drew Bledsoe circa 2004; Drew Bledsoe circa 1995 would've run circles around Ryan Mallett.

3) I can't believe that you can say these things after watching this team last season. Do you think that with another OL reshuffling that this offensive line is suddenly going to create a perfect pocket for a mannequin (with a long stride in his throwing motion, BTW--can't operate in the phone booth) like Mallett?

Apparently whether or not a big arm matters depends on how much you're trying to justify the prospect to yourself and others. The fact that three of the last four Super Bowl QBs had above-average mobility and Peyton Manning was still markedly faster than Mallett coming out of college doesn't apparently play a role.

You are flat out wrong about Russell--he was athletic in college and people were certainly talking about that. Don't play dumb.

40 times do NOT equal mobility. Who should I trust? You, or the NFL Network experts? I care very little about your wholly amateur opinion. My opinion is also amateur, and that is why I have yet to decide whether or not Mallett would be a good option; I'm waiting to see how everything shakes out. You just bluster and whine about his 40 time and dismiss him out of hand. It's GMs that think like you that draft the Mike Mamulas of the world.

 

[kerouac9]

You are flat out wrong about Russell--he was athletic in college and people were certainly talking about that. Don't play dumb.

40 times do NOT equal mobility. Who should I trust? You, or the NFL Network experts? I care very little about your wholly amateur opinion. My opinion is also amateur, and that is why I have yet to decide whether or not Mallett would be a good option; I'm waiting to see how everything shakes out. You just bluster and whine about his 40 time and dismiss him out of hand. It's GMs that think like you that draft the Mike Mamulas of the world.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/stats?playerId=146755

Seriously--it took me about two seconds to check this.

JaMarcus Russell rushed 52 times his senior season. He gained 2.7 YPC. Give me a break, Stout. Russell was praised for his ability to throw on the run, but people who think that Russell was considered along the lines of Ben Roethlisberger are looking at the color of his skin, not his production on the field.

 

[kerouac9]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ud1irgMkUM

Watch Mallett's feet here. Then go watch some tape of how Peyton Manning or Tom Brady stand in the pocket. It's not about being able to rush for a 40 yard TD; it's about whether or not your guy can move in the pocket. Mallett is as anchored to the floor as Michaelangelo's David is. Manning and Brady don't stand flat-footed in the pocket like Mallett does.

The guy who Mallett most reminds me of is Byron Leftwich. I wouldn't be against drafting Mallett in the second if it comes down to that, but he's not going to succeed here unless we decide that we're going to support him with a legit rushing game and an offense that doesn't require immediate reads against minimum protection.

All that said--this is awesome: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKxI0g0p9-w

 

[Zeno]

Mallett's propensity for imploding at the worst possible moments in big games worries me more than his 40 speed. See the bowl game against OSU or the 3 picks he threw against Alabama.

 

[Zeno]

You are flat out wrong about Russell--he was athletic in college and people were certainly talking about that. Don't play dumb.

Nobody was talking about Russell's athletic ability, he was a big strong passer. The only people who even did that saw "black QB" and assumed that meant he was mobile without ever watching him play.

 

[john h]

I'm assuming that rumor is coming out of Philadelphia, because trading the fifth pick in the draft for Kolb sounds incredibly one sided. I like Kolb, but I don't think I'd be in the minority in saying that I would wretch, violently, if we gave up the #5 pick in the draft for a still unproven player as Mitch pointed out here:

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/f4/caveat-emptor-re-kolb-163369.html

It is sort of difficult to like or not like Kolb as he has played very little. Acquiring him would almost be like drafting a QB. I would not even give a thought to giving up our 1st or even our 2nd round choice for Kolb. We can probably do as well or better and not give up any draft choice. We need to draft a good QB and then sign one that can fill the void for about 3 years. I still think McNabb or Bulger would be a decent choice. McNabb might just once again find the magic like Warner did. It seems Denver is going to keep Orton as they have announce him as there starting QB.

I just hope we have an agreement between the players and owners prior to the draft. It could effect how we draft. Better yet have an agreement and sign a FA QB prior to the draft. That would open up the door to extending Fitz if he likes the FA QB. Fitz is the face of this team and after all the guys we have not signed we certainly need to keep him. There is also talk of Breaston leaving. He is one of the better #2 receivers in the league I think. He is to me one of the core players we need to keep.

Marc Bulger | #10 | QB
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Height: 6-3 Weight: 208 Age: 33
Born: 4/5/1977 Pittsburgh , PA
College: West Virginia
Experience: 11th season
High School: Central Catholic HS [Pittsburgh, PA]

 

[Stout]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ud1irgMkUM

Watch Mallett's feet here. Then go watch some tape of how Peyton Manning or Tom Brady stand in the pocket. It's not about being able to rush for a 40 yard TD; it's about whether or not your guy can move in the pocket. Mallett is as anchored to the floor as Michaelangelo's David is. Manning and Brady don't stand flat-footed in the pocket like Mallett does.

The guy who Mallett most reminds me of is Byron Leftwich. I wouldn't be against drafting Mallett in the second if it comes down to that, but he's not going to succeed here unless we decide that we're going to support him with a legit rushing game and an offense that doesn't require immediate reads against minimum protection.

All that said--this is awesome: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKxI0g0p9-w

1-Then why have you been crying about his 40 time so often? Thanks for finally coming around to exactly what I've been saying--it IS about moving in the pocket. You kept arguing and arguing and arguing, and now you fully agree. How silly.

2-So YOU took a glance at youtube and decided he has feet like Leftwich, while the NFL Network gurus think he has great mobility in the pocket. I'll go with the experts for now.

 

[kerouac9]

1-Then why have you been crying about his 40 time so often? Thanks for finally coming around to exactly what I've been saying--it IS about moving in the pocket. You kept arguing and arguing and arguing, and now you fully agree. How silly.

2-So YOU took a glance at youtube and decided he has feet like Leftwich, while the NFL Network gurus think he has great mobility in the pocket. I'll go with the experts for now.

So you'll go with the NFL Network gurus who firmly believe that Cam Newton is a much better prospect than Ryan Mallett, as well?

I spent two hours watching tape of Ryan Mallett, thank you very much, Stout. I know what I'm watching when I see him. Look around the NFL and tell me who Ryan Mallett best compares to. I've given you three guys he reminds me of: Drew Bledsoe at the end of his career, Byron Leftwich, and Jeff George. His delivery is so slow that the Dan Marino comparisons just don't fly.

EDIT: Further, Stout, if you look around the NFL landscape, where QBs along the lines of Joe Flacco, Ben Roethlisberger, Josh Freeman, Aaron Rodgers, Mark Sanchez, Matt Ryan (4.82 40 in the Combine), Phillip Rivers, Tony Romo, and Jay Cutler (4.76 40 at the Combine) are all the rising stars of the QB position, tell me where you see pocket passers who cannot move their feet and don't care about it.

 

[vinnymac]

I watched Mallet play in Arkansas the past 2 years. I lived 60 east of Fayettville. Anyway he does move good in the pocket and can buy time to throw the ball. His offensive line didn't protect him that well eithier. And just like Zeno said He does do some stuff that makes you say "What are you doing" just like Jake Plummer did. Another positive for Mallet is that he played in the SEC. He consantly had to play againist the best teams in college. Top Competition like Patrick Peterson. That only makes you better. He is the most pro ready QB in the draft. Mallet is a tuff kid and imo will be a great qb in the Nfl. Hopefully the Cardinals will draft this kidd.

 

[Shane]

I watched Mallet play in Arkansas the past 2 years. I lived 60 east of Fayettville. Anyway he does move good in the pocket and can buy time to throw the ball. His offensive line didn't protect him that well eithier.

Don't tell K9 any of that. He supposedly sat down and watch 2 long hours of tape on Mallet he was so intrigued by him. He didn't see any of that.