Whisenhunt Aftermath

[Shane]

http://blog.azcardinals.com/2010/08/24/whiz-the-day-after-2/

Whisenhunt's post game comments.

The most notable thing to me is the comment that Whiz makes in reference to Matt's long throw to Stephen William. Jaworski from ESPN and a quite a few other posters just assumed that Williams must have run the wrong route(Donald) The way Whiz talks in here it certainly doesn't sound like that's the case. I felt Matt just under threw it. Read it and make your own conclusion.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Unless you've got Matty-blinders on, upon reading Wiz's comments, I don't think you can come to any other conclusion that the onus of responsibility on that poopy play was on Matt.

 

[Shane]

Unless you've got Matty-blinders on, upon reading Wiz's comments, I don't think you can come to any other conclusion that the onus of responsibility on that poopy play was on Matt.

That's certainly how I took it. I was told I was wrong about that thought yesterday after the game.

 

[82CardsGrad]

I started a thread entitled Whiz's biggest challenge being this season, the massive talent loss not-withstanding, but the reason for this being his biggest challenge being the issues at QB.
IMHO, it seems very clear to me that Whiz is simply not comfortable with Leinart, at all...
Again, doesn't mean Matt can't surprise and put together a positive and productive season. However, I really believe Whiz has some serious doubts about this kid...

 

[Paso Fino]

Having in mind the cloud hanging over Matt, a coach shouldn't make negative comments about him unless he does have serious reservations. The comments sure don't help Matt gain confidence.

 

[green machine]

Matt underthrew it. Maybe a veteran receiver finds the ball sooner, comes back for it and makes a play.

I do think if Leinart had more time to set his feet (maybe he did and just rushed it based on how things were going) maybe he would have got more on it.

Either way, it is what it is. One not good throw out of 6.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

However, I really believe Whiz has some serious doubts about this kid...

Add me to the list.

I have zero confidence in ML and he hasn't shown me any reason to change how I feel.

 

[Southpaw]

He just threw one of those patented USC floater balls. They don't work in the NFL.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

That's certainly how I took it. I was told I was wrong about that thought yesterday after the game.

The receiver didn't look for the ball. If it was a good thrown ball, it would have hit Williams in the back and he still wouldn't have caught it. Receivers adjust all the time to under thrown balls.

Even if he threw the ball better, the ball wouldn't have been caught. Not sure why people aren't seeing this.

 

[cardsfanmd]

He just threw one of those patented USC floater balls. They don't work in the NFL.

I call BS. That was the same exact pass he threw Fitz when he came back into the game to beat the Steelers a few years ago. When you have a receiver that's 6'5 you can float the ball to him and some plays absolutely call for that. We have a 12 years old that is 6'2 on my PW team and we float the ball to him 10 times a game. DA's lack of ability to put touch on the ball was on sad display last week in the redzone on consecutive plays IIRC

 

[PortlandCardFan]

Whiz also said Williams ran a bad route. Honestly, I think Whiz wants Matt to get into the other players face and call them out when they F up. That is what leaders do. KW did this all the time and it didn't matter who it was, Fitz, Boldin, etc.

Toast just has to get his mind right!!!

 

[D-Dogg]

Unless you've got Matty-blinders on, upon reading Wiz's comments, I don't think you can come to any other conclusion that the onus of responsibility on that

Agreed.

That's certainly how I took it. I was told I was wrong about that thought yesterday after the game.

You are usually wrong, broken clock.

I started a thread entitled Whiz's biggest challenge being this season, the massive talent loss not-withstanding, but the reason for this being his biggest challenge being the issues at QB.
IMHO, it seems very clear to me that Whiz is simply not comfortable with Leinart, at all...
Again, doesn't mean Matt can't surprise and put together a positive and productive season. However, I really believe Whiz has some serious doubts about this kid...

Didn't remotely see that in the article.

; (paraphrased)
Whis saying SW ran a bad route.

Didn't see that in there either.

 

[JeffGollin]

I doubt Wiz will let himself get trapped into throwing any of his players under the proverbial bus.

Bottom line is that, although the receiver got open, both he and the QB couldn't connect (for whatever reason) and they have to clean this sort of stuff up.

The bright side is that things like this can be fixed. But you have to be concerned (& a bit irked) that these sort of basic football breakdowns are still happening this far into preseason.

 

[PortlandCardFan]

Agreed.



You are usually wrong, broken clock.




Didn't remotely see that in the article.



Didn't see that in there either.

Wasn't in the article. I believe it is in the after game interview...

 

[D-Dogg]

Wasn't in the article. I believe it is in the after game interview...

cool..
I'll listen for it.

 

[dogpoo32]

All this talk over 1 throw? The regular season cannot get here quick enough. I'm sick only having 3 series per game to judge Matt on.

 

[D-Dogg]

All this talk over 1 throw? The regular season cannot get here quick enough. I'm sick only having 3 series per game to judge Matt on.

Haven't you heard? He sucks out loud, isn't a leader and might get cut...what else do you need to know to judge him?

 

[Russ Smith]

To be honest I can't tell from that comment which pass Whiz is talking about?

Technically from what I saw Williams didn't run a post on that long play that was incomplete, if it was a post he would have been cutting to his left (towards the middle of the field) and he wasn't, he was running straight up the field. Matt threw it towards the sideline.

The first time I read that comment I thought Whiz was talking about the earlier play where Williams ran what I would call a post and Matt bounced the throw in front of him.

I assume we're talking about the 3rd and 1 long pass play since that seems to be what everyone else thinks, but if that's the case Williams didn't really run a post anyways unless it was a skinny post and that was REALLY skinny he was almost running straight up the field a true post he would have been cutting left.

Just seemed to me like Matt expected Williams to adjust his route and look for the ball and he did neither. But if Whiz says Matt made a bad throw he probably did.

 

[bg7brd]

To be honest I can't tell from that comment which pass Whiz is talking about?

Technically from what I saw Williams didn't run a post on that long play that was incomplete, if it was a post he would have been cutting to his left (towards the middle of the field) and he wasn't, he was running straight up the field. Matt threw it towards the sideline.

The first time I read that comment I thought Whiz was talking about the earlier play where Williams ran what I would call a post and Matt bounced the throw in front of him.

I assume we're talking about the 3rd and 1 long pass play since that seems to be what everyone else thinks, but if that's the case Williams didn't really run a post anyways unless it was a skinny post and that was REALLY skinny he was almost running straight up the field a true post he would have been cutting left.

Just seemed to me like Matt expected Williams to adjust his route and look for the ball and he did neither. But if Whiz says Matt made a bad throw he probably did.

I think he was talking about both plays

 

[dogpoo32]

Haven't you heard? He sucks out loud, isn't a leader and might get cut...what else do you need to know to judge him?

The number of co-eds he's bagged. Pics would be nice too.

 

[bg7brd]

In terms of Matt Leinart specifically, “It’s not just the quarterback,” Whisenhunt said. “I wish Matt had thrown the ball better on the post, I wish he would have thrown the ball better to Stephen. But once again, the blame is not all on the quarterbacks. A lot has to do how the line played, the way we didn’t do some things that we should have done that would have made his job easier. That’s the thing you have to be careful about, making a quick judgment on the quarterback when we haven’t been as successful as we would have liked to have been.

I think it's important to read the entire paragraph. The line that stands out to me is A lot has to do how the line played
Thats the way I seen it. Until we get better play from the rest of the offense it's going to be difficult to make a proper evaluation of Leinart. Hopefully, this is just typical pre season angst and EVERYONE"S play will vastly improve once the real games start.

 

[Mulli]

I thought Anderson's inability to throw an accurate slant pass into the end zone to Williams was worse than Leinart's miss on the long pass.

 

[Duckjake]

In terms of Matt Leinart specifically, “It’s not just the quarterback,” Whisenhunt said. “I wish Matt had thrown the ball better on the post, I wish he would have thrown the ball better to Stephen. But once again, the blame is not all on the quarterbacks. A lot has to do how the line played, the way we didn’t do some things that we should have done that would have made his job easier. That’s the thing you have to be careful about, making a quick judgment on the quarterback when we haven’t been as successful as we would have liked to have been.

I think it's important to read the entire paragraph. The line that stands out to me is A lot has to do how the line played
Thats the way I seen it. Until we get better play from the rest of the offense it's going to be difficult to make a proper evaluation of Leinart. Hopefully, this is just typical pre season angst and EVERYONE"S play will vastly improve once the real games start.

We can only hope. Like CKW says there are a lot of new faces. What the veteran laden Cards did after pre season in '08 or '09 bears no relation to what this team will do imo. We don't have 20 guys starting in the same position this season as we did in 2009.

 

[TJ]

The number of co-eds he's bagged. Pics would be nice too.

DA has bagged more co eds; therefore, he should start

 

[Russ Smith]

I thought Anderson's inability to throw an accurate slant pass into the end zone to Williams was worse than Leinart's miss on the long pass.

Yep and the miss to Breaston was probably even worse because it showed his complete lack of touch, he fired the ball on a line high when most NFL QB's would have just put it over the defender and dropped it in. Hard for you or I to do but most NFL QB's make that throw, if you can't, you don't play in the NFL.