Whiz blames players and defense again not Miller and self.

[bg7brd]

I have been fishing, thanks I haven't seen Kolb or other news since the game and then writing this, I wish I was wrong but through Haley, Whiz and Now Miller at PGC, OC, Play caller

and Tim R, Tim H, Kurt, Leinart, DA, Hall, Skelton, Bartel and now Kolb at QB, Whiz's Cardinals have passed like our hair is on fire rather behind or a head by 3 scores in the playoffs!

I was angry the way he threw all the players under the bus hard, at the end of last year. Not talking an iota of responsibility or his inexperienced YES MAN staff that HE hired.

I had hope when He trashed his PGC, RGC experiment and gave up the playcalling to Mike Freakin Miller, with out even interviewing an OC with quality NFL resume. DC either, and who else is hiring Chris Miller as a QB coach after last year!

Beanie has been brow beat into not saying nuthin like He did last year before ther Leinart Message was sent loud and clear. To a bunch quiet core players, That didn't want to weigh in on that MESS!

If you think a winning coach like Tomlin, parcells, coughlin or any freakin HC worth their salt WOULD ALLOW BEANIE WELLS to have 14 carries in a game, Well I perojectile vomit on that thought, any more than they wouyld start THT over Edge or The Bean. It is embarrasing to support Whiz's stupidity, I know I've tried! and you have tooo!

It aint changing like we hoped, The problem is between Whiz's ears and he can hire another 51 new players this offseason, cut Kolb, release Beanie, and blame players for penalties and every unit across the team having near worse stats in the NFL, again.

It won't matter as long as it is a fundementally scewed up football team attacking on offense as fast as possible and attacking on defense 40 minutes a game!

We have to get lucky to win, We were not 14 behind, like somebody excused, that is like 1/2 of the last 48 games we screwed up, were 2 scores ahead with 11 minutes left, Our defense was blitzing for over 30 minutes as fast as possible. They were spent!

Our defense was in the worse position possible, just like our oline, 1ST and play action pass game, Run game. You name it. Cause of the HC!

Any bad coach could have won Sunday. Horton Needs to get in Whiz's face and not let him and Kolb do that to HORTON's DEFENSE! Like Dick Lebeu would allow that crap! EVER

Just like Beanie earning a 3 score lead in th first 1/4 against the Packers in an 09 playoff win. Beanie got 3 freakin carries in the blow out loss the next week against the Saints! Kurts gone, We have scrub coaches beyond Grimm and Spenser, It is on Whisenhunt.

Yawn

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

If Ralph Brown was 3" taller we would've been SB 43 Champs

Or if he would've fully extended his arms.

 

[desertdawg]

Yo Smelly, everygame aint the same and it seems like you think it should be. I aint defending Whiz or anybody else, we should run it more, and with a 2 back set your boy looks preety good. Beanie had some nice pass pro blocks nobody is talking about, and he is running more down field. Whiz does like success, Beanie keeps it up and Beanie gets more carries. It aint like last year, you gotta see that.

 

[WarnerHOF]

Did the Texans not go 6-10 last year with the league leader in rushing yards and a horrible defense?

 

[THESMEL]

I wish

Look at the drive charts, the carries per game, time of possession, amount of offensive plays compared to defensive plays. throughout the last 4 years, it is groundhog day! We do the same thing over and over expecting different results.

Hell even Whiz occasionally says he likes balance right before He hires his PGC to be OC and runs 15 times out of 48 plays again with a 6.6 average and 90+ yard! We were not behind by a lot They scored twice in the last 11 minutes against a gassed defense.

I read Whiz blaming the defense" When did play good defense the entire game? We never did stop them" How about the turnovers you Whiz tool! Most compentent coaches win when they have 2 turnovers in the first half. They don't have 8 minutes TOP mostly in the final minutes of the 2nd 1/4!

Kolb calling 3 runs was a fatal flaw, Yea he heroed us out of it like Kurt did alot, But damn it I'm tired of needing a Hero! I liked what the Redskins did with our 3rd best RB. Kob needs to film study our damn team over 4 years and forget about the opponent, We kill ouselves more than other teams scratch us!

THT has 1/3 the carries he got per season with Cardinals in 2 games! He had 143, 143, 153 as a starter for the Cardinals. If Shanahan had the Cardinals He would beat the Redskins 98 times out 100! Tomlin or Cower would win 100 times out of 100!

Everything I've been shouting was front and center in this game. I'm trying to support Whiz but He hates his defense and oline, blames them cause they can't do what no fundementally sound football coach would ever aske them to do.

All our games are pretty similar on our part Mr Dawg. Blame me for saying it again if you want, but its the damn truth.

The Redskins stated their gameplan and executed it against our will to perfection, wore out our defense and had their way with us at the end of the game. knowing damn well exactly what whisenhunt would do again, Like clockwork. we passed over 2/3rds of the time in a close game or when we are ahead, with less than 1 minute drives and all the pressure on our oline, defense and ST!

Yo Smelly, everygame aint the same and it seems like you think it should be. I aint defending Whiz or anybody else, we should run it more, and with a 2 back set your boy looks preety good. Beanie had some nice pass pro blocks nobody is talking about, and he is running more down field. Whiz does like success, Beanie keeps it up and Beanie gets more carries. It aint like last year, you gotta see that.

 

[THESMEL]

well

The Texans did not play in the worse division in the
history of earth!

They would have laughed into the playoffs in the NFCW!

Did the Texans not go 6-10 last year with the league leader in rushing yards and a horrible defense?

 

[Mulli]

What results do you expect from posting the same things over and over?

 

[Duckjake]

What results do you expect from posting the same things over and over?

The same thing as CKW trotting out the same worn out former Steelers OLB's.

 

[desertdawg]

What results do you expect from posting the same things over and over?

That's something Whiz and SMEL have in common, the same thing over and over that is.

 

[THESMEL]

I guess a ground swell of the fan base, instead of defending the play callers stupidity ad nauseum, Saying in a unified majority voice:
Coach Whisenhunt we are tired of watching our superior talented football team lose because lose because of your poor insight, poor performance and your making poor decisions.

Mr. Whisenhunt we hired you from the Steelers to be a fundementally sound football coach, you have done the exact opposite., your team loses more than the opposing team wins!

Get it together, beanie had ambitions to contend for Jim Browns 5.5 career average and 104 per game average. But He didn't pass block as well as THT, so you casterated and destroyed his confidence and dreams. ( insert Leinart and others also)
Beanie could average 5.5 a carry and 104 per game. And We would have a top 5 pass game everey year because of it, a rested defense and a top ST.

If Our HC would pull his head out his AZ. Gruden, Dungy, Cower, Bellick are all available and would upgrade our HC position. How does Whiz respond to adversity?

He hires 51 new players, His failed PGC as OC, His failed QB coach retiurns. He refuses to run the ball for the 4th straight year and puts his new QB, Oline, defense and ST in a nightmare scenerio every game!

I want the Bidwills boss which just happens to be US! To do our job. To force Bidwills to force Graves to Force Whiz to Force Miller To force Kolb to Run the ball more than 15 times out of 48 plays! so your defense is not on the field 79 plays and spent by the end of the first 1/2!

Thats what i want from repeating this!

The sick dysfunctional part is a fan having to ever say this about and NFL coach 4 years in a row! If Whisenhunt doesn't know better, Horton needs to tell him He's embarresssing a state and it's fans! If Whiz hasn't got a clue by now! 66 + playoffs games as a Cardinals HC!

Don't let the door hit you where the good lord split ya! You big stupid!

What results do you expect from posting the same things over and over?

 

[Mulli]

The same thing as CKW trotting out the same worn out former Steelers OLB's.

Good answer!

 

[gmabel830]

I'm with THESMEL on this one, too. If I recall correctly, we haven't been down by more than one score the entire season, and have been running the ball very effectively in both games. Given those two facts, I think Whiz/Miller aren't immune to criticism for the fact that the running game has been ignored for major chunks during the game and at the most critical point in the game last week.

I don't think I have seen this team run a more balanced/effective offense in years than we saw in the 3rd quarter/early 4th quarter vs the Skins. Given the result it is admittedly dumb to second guess, but I was shocked when we came out 5 wide in our first possession in the 4th quarter. The result sure worked on the bomb to Fitz, but IF we could have strung together another balanced, long possession and scored a TD, we could probably have put ourselves in a position to at worst force overtime and at best us having an opportunity to win the game at the end instead of them (again, I fully admit argument is pretty dumb given the result -- but I think you can critique play calling independent of the results). And, you just need to be able to trust the running game with a lead, the ball, and 5:00 left in the game -- or at least stay in the spread formation and keep them guessing run vs. pass. We need to be able to establish a running game early and use that running game to wear teams down and close out games when we have the lead in the 4th quarter.

I think we will always pass more than we run (and really the whole league passes more than they run, so expecting a 50/50 split is not realistic these days), but we need to run the ball more if Beanie is going to be as effective as he has been. Not only does this create a more balanced offense, but it also keeps our defense off the field (as has been pointed out many times now).

I think SMEL is well within his right to keep banging home this point as long as Beanie continues to run as effectively as he has been.

Now, Levi Brown on the other hand....

As an aside - THESMEL -- is it pronounced THE-SMEL or THES-MEL - always wondered!

 

[THESMEL]

sorry

when I get scared or mad my face gets red and my mouth starts going. I'm venting and I know some don't like it. I'm scared because Kevin Kolb thinks that running Beanie Wells 3 times in the first half is in the Cardinals best interest. I'm scared cause Mike Miller allows this! I'm scared cause Whiz accepts this? Horton does not defend his defense? Graves is silent for thre 50 somethiong time in a row, If he does say something it is not taken serious?

while THT gets 18 for 87 in the first half and our traded away 3rd best RB SCHOOLS the entire Cardinals organization on how to win at NFL Football.
While our coach blames the players, penalties, East coast for the upteenth time.

It would be in the Cardinals best interest to have Sando write: the Cardinals ran Beanie Wells more than 3 times in the first half, more than 14 time in the game and won an East Coast game over a less talented Redskin football team, easily! The Cardinals were within NFL Normal range of Run attempts, pass attempts, TOP and amount of plays with a + 2 turnover ratio.

They looked fundementally good and should improve and compete for the NFCW title. Other teams should not look forward to playing the Cardinals every week.

Sando's would love to write that! Not He is a seachicken fan, And i would like to stick it to him, with class and sportsmanship.

We are 25 The bean carries a game away from great success with a poor defense. still ansd will remain so until, Whiz benches Mike Miller for Russ Grimm and an attitude.

Good answer!

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Beanie should get 20-25 carries every game not 12 to 14...Why Whis chose not to stick with what was working is a huge headscratcher. Beanie was avg. 9YPC in the second half and the Cards needed to control the ball more since the Redskins almost had double the amount of plays run during the contest.

This game was certainly a coaching failure IMO.

 

[DutchmanAZ]

Beanie should get 20-25 carries every game not 12 to 14...Why Whis chose not to stick with what was working is a huge headscratcher. Beanie was avg. 9YPC in the second half and the Cards needed to control the ball more since the Redskins almost had double the amount of plays run during the contest.

This game was certainly a coaching failure IMO.

AGREED!!!!

 

[THESMEL]

yea

Our starting RB has averaged 9 carries a game for 3 years. So it is an improvement. Somebody needs to shake lose the iron in Whiz's shorts.

My God why can't he see That the Saints ran more than 50% of the time with less talented oline and RB's, as they squashed us like a bug on the way to win the SB! after Beanie went like 14 for 90 at GB the week earlier?

The Saints had the top pass game in the NFL while rushing more than 50% of the time! that is just one example. Mcnabb has what 5 or 6 NFC championship games, while undersized Westbrook made defenses respect the run with a balanced attack.

Beanie's career has been ruined by Whisenhunt and Miller and Russ Grimm in my opinion. Like Tomlin or Cower would let that 20 year old defense punisher ever leave the field with out his tounge hanging out panting after his 6th score of each game.

Would not happen, The Bean is a 400 carry 2000 yard back EVERY YEAR FOR 5 YEARS in a pittsburg offense.

Just like Leinart how would we ever know? It aint the players fault the plays are not called, or efforts appreciated,

Beanie should get 20-25 carries every game not 12 to 14...Why Whis chose not to stick with what was working is a huge headscratcher. Beanie was avg. 9YPC in the second half and the Cards needed to control the ball more since the Redskins almost had double the amount of plays run during the contest.

This game was certainly a coaching failure IMO.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Beanie's career has been ruined by Whisenhunt and Miller and Russ Grimm in my opinion. Like Tomlin or Cower would let that 20 year old defense punisher ever leave the field with out his tounge hanging out panting after his 6th score of each game.

Would not happen, The Bean is a 400 carry 2000 yard back EVERY YEAR FOR 5 YEARS in a pittsburg offense.

I like your undying faith in Wells but that's crazy talk and Whiz is doing right by limiting his carries. BTW, Mendenahall, clearly, the #1 RB in Pitts had a career high 324 carries last year, or about 20/game.The most Willie Parker ever had was 337. I suspect Wells will end up with similar number of carries.
The record for rusing attempts in one is Larry Johnson 416 and he was never the same afterwards.

 

[NJCardFan]

Smel thinks we should run when we are down by 14 pts

OK, fair enough. But we were down by 3 points in the first half and yet Whiz only ran the ball 3 times. 3. And *gasp* when he decided to run in the 2nd half, it worked. So what does he do up by 2 and with the ball? Pass, pass, pass.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

OK, fair enough. But we were down by 3 points in the first half and yet Whiz only ran the ball 3 times. 3. And *gasp* when he decided to run in the 2nd half, it worked. So what does he do up by 2 and with the ball? Pass, pass, pass.

Actually, I think he ran then pass, pass. I'm sure Washington was playing the run hard. The Cards weren't running out the clock without a 1st down, and probably needed 2 based on TO' remaining, so I have no problem trying to take what the defense gives you in that situation.

 

[conraddobler]

It's easy to Monday morning OC and say run the ball more, I'm sure if you really pinned down Whiz he'd admit he should of run it more.

So I tend to keep my critical comments focused on the most horrible of errors, the 2nd to the last drive the Cardinals had in the game went run, pass, pass, punt, game over.

That should of at a minimum been run, run, run, punt and if then the team loses you can look at your o line and Beanie and say men when you had your chance, you tossed out a turd, let's move on.

That series is what the press and fans should focus on, if for no other reason than to make it perfectly clear to the grand pubah that we see what you're doing and we no likey.

 

[JeffGollin]

I've posted this on another thread, but feel it's worth repeating:

Although Beanie's running with more intensity this year and has good total and average yardage numbers, I'm not sure the coaches fully trust our running attack (yet).

Definition of "Trust": "When you need to pick up 3 yards, you KNOW that, when you hand off the ball to Beanie, LSH or Chester, they're going to get you those 3 yards nearly 100% of the time.

We're not there yet.

Some coaches are willing to let their passing games be a bit "hit or miss" but want their running games to be more steady and reliable. While Beanie is averaging 4.0-5.0 YPC and hovering close to 100 yards in each of the two games, the way he gets those yards are more hit or miss - something like +13, +0, -3, +4, +0, +2 = +16 instead of a more steady but less spectacular pattern - like: +3, +2, +3, +2, +3, +3 = +16.

Also - Kolb has confided that, on a significant percentage of running plays, he has the option of "audibling out of the running play and into a pass play and often has done precisely that.

Which, in turn, means that, when he's looking over the defense, he sees them overstacking against the run and leaving someone like Fitz or one of the TE's in a mismatch "gimme" situation, he's going to jump on that puppy.

And where it gets most interesting are those gray areas where he suspects he can dish the ball to Roberts or Doucet but the running play might still be a pretty good option.

My point: We armchair QB's can sit back on our haunches and slam the play-calling because we (a) are following the logic, (b) think we know what we're talking about and (c) "because we can" but there may be a lot of other stuff influencing the play-calling that we may not be aware of.

 

[bg7brd]

I've posted this on another thread, but feel it's worth repeating:

Although Beanie's running with more intensity this year and has good total and average yardage numbers, I'm not sure the coaches fully trust our running attack (yet).

Definition of "Trust": "When you need to pick up 3 yards, you KNOW that, when you hand off the ball to Beanie, LSH or Chester, they're going to get you those 3 yards nearly 100% of the time.

We're not there yet.

Some coaches are willing to let their passing games be a bit "hit or miss" but want their running games to be more steady and reliable. While Beanie is averaging 4.0-5.0 YPC and hovering close to 100 yards in each of the two games, the way he gets those yards are more hit or miss - something like +13, +0, -3, +4, +0, +2 = +16 instead of a more steady but less spectacular pattern - like: +3, +2, +3, +2, +3, +3 = +16.

Also - Kolb has confided that, on a significant percentage of running plays, he has the option of "audibling out of the running play and into a pass play and often has done precisely that.

Which, in turn, means that, when he's looking over the defense, he sees them overstacking against the run and leaving someone like Fitz or one of the TE's in a mismatch "gimme" situation, he's going to jump on that puppy.

And where it gets most interesting are those gray areas where he suspects he can dish the ball to Roberts or Doucet but the running play might still be a pretty good option.

My point: We armchair QB's can sit back on our haunches and slam the play-calling because we (a) are following the logic, (b) think we know what we're talking about and (c) "because we can" but there may be a lot of other stuff influencing the play-calling that we may not be aware of.

Excellent!!!

 

[Cheesebeef]

I've posted this on another thread, but feel it's worth repeating:

Although Beanie's running with more intensity this year and has good total and average yardage numbers, I'm not sure the coaches fully trust our running attack (yet).

Definition of "Trust": "When you need to pick up 3 yards, you KNOW that, when you hand off the ball to Beanie, LSH or Chester, they're going to get you those 3 yards nearly 100% of the time.

We're not there yet.

Some coaches are willing to let their passing games be a bit "hit or miss" but want their running games to be more steady and reliable. While Beanie is averaging 4.0-5.0 YPC

First, Beanie isn't averaging 4.0-5.0 yards per carry... he's averaging 5.7.

and hovering close to 100 yards in each of the two games, the way he gets those yards are more hit or miss - something like +13, +0, -3, +4, +0, +2 = +16 instead of a more steady but less spectacular pattern - like: +3, +2, +3, +2, +3, +3 = +16.

um... no. We've only run ONE play in two games that lost yardage running the ball. And the idea that we want a guy who in the above would be averaging 2.7 YPC as the "more steady" guy just doesn't make sense to me. That running back SUCKS in the NFL. Beanie's gouging people plain and simple. He's had one tackle for a loss in two games and he's only had two runs of 22 and 25 yards... that pretty much means the overwhelming majority of his runs are 4-8 yards which is exactly what I've been seeing and what the stats bear out. No offense can move forward with a steady stream of 3 and 2 yard gains.

 

[gmabel830]

I've posted this on another thread, but feel it's worth repeating:

Although Beanie's running with more intensity this year and has good total and average yardage numbers, I'm not sure the coaches fully trust our running attack (yet).

Definition of "Trust": "When you need to pick up 3 yards, you KNOW that, when you hand off the ball to Beanie, LSH or Chester, they're going to get you those 3 yards nearly 100% of the time.

We're not there yet.

Some coaches are willing to let their passing games be a bit "hit or miss" but want their running games to be more steady and reliable. While Beanie is averaging 4.0-5.0 YPC and hovering close to 100 yards in each of the two games, the way he gets those yards are more hit or miss - something like +13, +0, -3, +4, +0, +2 = +16 instead of a more steady but less spectacular pattern - like: +3, +2, +3, +2, +3, +3 = +16.

Also - Kolb has confided that, on a significant percentage of running plays, he has the option of "audibling out of the running play and into a pass play and often has done precisely that.

Which, in turn, means that, when he's looking over the defense, he sees them overstacking against the run and leaving someone like Fitz or one of the TE's in a mismatch "gimme" situation, he's going to jump on that puppy.

And where it gets most interesting are those gray areas where he suspects he can dish the ball to Roberts or Doucet but the running play might still be a pretty good option.

My point: We armchair QB's can sit back on our haunches and slam the play-calling because we (a) are following the logic, (b) think we know what we're talking about and (c) "because we can" but there may be a lot of other stuff influencing the play-calling that we may not be aware of.

I agree with what you are saying for the most part, but isn't the trust thing a bit of a catch-22. Whiz doesn't trust the running game enough to run the ball during critical situations.. and if we never run the ball in critical situations, Whiz will never trust the running game to be able to do so. After the 3rd quarter performance running the ball, I'm not sure what else could have been done to better trust the running game.

 

[JeffGollin]

I agree with what you are saying for the most part, but isn't the trust thing a bit of a catch-22. Whiz doesn't trust the running game enough to run the ball during critical situations.. and if we never run the ball in critical situations, Whiz will never trust the running game to be able to do so. After the 3rd quarter performance running the ball, I'm not sure what else could have been done to better trust the running game.

You've got a point there, but we should put everything into a context - i.e. it isn't as if the decision is whether to run on X down so much as it is: "I've got a half-dozen plays I can dial up in this situation (2 of them runs). Which play do I want to call?" The temptation is to more often than not call a pass play because Wiz (or whoever is the decider) feels more comfortable that it will work than he does a running play (regardless of how much Beanie may have improved).

Right or wrong, I think that kind of thinking is part of the process (much like it was when Warner was our guy and we tended to go light on running Edge). It's just human nature.

If and when we run the ball well enough for the coaches to feel it's as much a sure thing (& as potentially productive) as a pass play, you might begin to see a higher percentage of runs (all other things being equal).