Who are our options at RT ?

[RugbyMuffin]

There are some very skilled thinkers on this board. Their knowledge of players is amazing. Yet, I am dissappointed that there have not been more possibilities posted for who the Cardinals could trade for to beef up the line.

According to the local Arizona sports radio the Cardinals are not too happy with Oliver Ross.

They are looking to trade a 3rd rounder in order to find an adequate RT.

How about a 3rd rounder to get a RT, and use Marcel Shipp as bait for a good Center ?

That would REALLY help. Unfortunately I am lost on the subject and don't have the slightest idea of who we could be looking at for a tackle or a center.

 

[DevonCardsFan]

There are some very skilled thinkers on this board. Their knowledge of players is amazing. Yet, I am dissappointed that there have not been more possibilities posted for who the Cardinals could trade for to beef up the line.

According to the local Arizona sports radio the Cardinals are not too happy with Oliver Ross.

They are looking to trade a 3rd rounder in order to find an adequate RT.

How about a 3rd rounder to get a RT, and use Marcel Shipp as bait for a good Center ?

That would REALLY help. Unfortunately I am lost on the subject and don't have the slightest idea of who we could be looking at for a tackle or a center.

A 3rd Rounder, in the NFL that is BANK!!!

William Roaf to KC Transaction: Traded to Kansas City from New Orleans (3/26/02) in exchange for a third-round 2003 draft choice (78th overall - subsequently traded to New England)

He had issues because Joe Horn got his Wife pregnant and all, but if Cards could get half the dude Roaf is, that would be tight

 

[RugbyMuffin]

The Eagles want to deal Fraley.

He would be a substantial upgrade at center, and we could get him for Marcel Shipp since the Eagles backfield is banged up and lacking a big RB.

 

[joeshmo]

Is Fraley healthy?

And why do they want to trade him?

Havent really been up to date on the Eagles as of late.

 

[Russ Smith]

Part of the problem is so many teams are unsettled themselves on the OL it's hard to say who has a RT they'd be willing to move. The team that comes to mind immediately to me is SF because I live in the Bay area and know full well that Kwame Harris is losing his job to Snyder with Jennings back at LT this year. But, would SF trade within the division, and do we really want Kwame Harris, he's not exactly a great player.

But offhand that's the first situation that jumps out at me, and I seriously doubt it's a fit. I certainly wouldn't trade a 3rd rounder for Kwame.

 

[conraddobler]

I wouldn't panic but I wouldn't pass up a great trade value either.

Ross isn't my idea of an answer anyway, the best thing to happen would be someone stepping up and taking the job, Bridges might, he didn't look too bad and with reps and coaching he might work out.

Now if someone great was available, say not too old and pretty good for a third and Shipp then I'd do that deal but I wouldn't be in the desperate it's gotta happen category.

Ross to me should be the backup, he needs to play his way back to starter or sit IMO.

Please just don't trade Bryant Johnson unless he plays like he did last year then we'll be kicking ourselves for not trading him, I think though we will be happy with him by mid year, I really hope so.

I might add that Looney's done a fantastic job so far, the pass protection was solid, he's going to need all of camp to get the run game going, we'll see how it goes but the line will be fine if he figures out how to make Big mad regularly.

 

[BACH]

The Chiefs got Roaf that cheap because he wanted out of NO.

OT is one of the hardest positions to trade for, because it's one of the harder positions to play in the NFL compared to college and very few teams have good depth because of that. The easiest option is clearly to hope for the development of Bridges and Wakefield.

Very few options in trades IMO. Only two really. The Bengals and Jaguars are the only two teams that have good OT depth and perhaps the two only team that would listen to a trade proposal.

If you were talking about a starter for starter trade, then the best option IMO is clearly Bengals RT Stacy Andrews (sitting behind Willie Anderson) for Clancy or Langston Moore (their weakest position is arguebly DT)

 

[ThunderCard]

Just out of curiosity where did Mike Williams of Buffalo go ?

 

[D-Dogg]

What about Fabini with the Cowboys? He's the backup there right now, and they have Julius Jones, Barber and nobody at RB. Pick and Shipp for Fabini?

 

[BACH]

Just out of curiosity where did Mike Williams of Buffalo go ?

Jaguars - and rumors say he won't even make the final roster.

Fabini isn't an option either. His production has slipped and slipped fast. Not an upgrade over Ross/Bridges IMO. I'm very much against the idea of trading for one of these "over the hill" players like Fabini or signing Kennedy. They're not much of an upgrade over Wakefield/Bridges, so why throw away a player that is still progressing for a player that's only degressing? If they were a huge upgrade I could see the idea, but at this point in their career they're IMO only a possible marginal upgrade.

 

[spanky1]

A trade I would consider is Clancy and Ross to the Giants for Karerm McKenzie and their young DE, Tuck. They are deep at DE.

 

[BACH]

A trade I would consider is Clancy and Ross to the Giants for Karerm McKenzie and their young DE, Tuck. They are deep at DE.

But the Giants are just as thin at OT as us.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Is Fraley healthy?

And why do they want to trade him?

Havent really been up to date on the Eagles as of late.

Fraley has lost his starting job at centre and is fighting to make the team as a guard. Speculation is that he'll be cut. If that's the case, he could be had for a low draft pick. But, that means picking up the existing contract, and that could be a stumbling block even though we can afford it. Cards may be waiting for the end of month cuts to see if there are a few serviceable vets available.

 

[CaptTurbo]

Forget about who is filling in at RT this year.

Matt is a left handed QB. When he is given the reigns it will be useless to have our best pass blocking tackle on the left. Most QB's are right handed so LT is huge. however on teams with a left handed QB we will need a top draft pick or FA at RT next year.

 

[Pariah]

So you don't think RT is a problem this year?

 

[Duckjake]

Forget about who is filling in at RT this year.

Matt is a left handed QB. When he is given the reigns it will be useless to have our best pass blocking tackle on the left. Most QB's are right handed so LT is huge. however on teams with a left handed QB we will need a top draft pick or FA at RT next year.

That's why they drafted the Duece. I think that eventually he will be the Cards starting RT.

If Duece can excel at RT, which he says he can, and with Davis resigned,the two Browns, and Wells, the Cards could have a bright future on the Oline. The only question is who will play Center.

 

[General Chaos]

That's why they drafted the Duece. I think that eventually he will be the Cards starting RT.

If Duece can excel at RT, which he says he can, and with Davis resigned,the two Browns, and Wells, the Cards could have a bright future on the Oline. The only question is who will play Center.

I hope you're right but don't you think Lutui would be practicing at RT if that was the plan for him.

 

[Duckjake]

I hope you're right but don't you think Lutui would be practicing at RT if that was the plan for him.

Not right away. I think he'll end up like BIG, playing G for now and then moving to RT in a year or two.

Although you would think they'd have him working at RT now since they have the Browns and Wells who can play G and are thin at RT. So you may be right.

 

[SuperSpck]

Well, if AZ's shopping around for a Tackle, what's the Vikings depth look like? With Robinson arrested for DWI he's done for the year (final strike on substance abuse) and are in the market for a WR.

Steve Looney knows that offensive line, so he'd have an idea of who's worthwhile (if anyone).

Are the Vikings a possibility as a partner?

 

[BACH]

Well, if AZ's shopping around for a Tackle, what's the Vikings depth look like? With Robinson arrested for DWI he's done for the year (final strike on substance abuse) and are in the market for a WR.

Steve Looney knows that offensive line, so he'd have an idea of who's worthwhile (if anyone).

Are the Vikings a possibility as a partner?

Perhaps....

But besides their starters (Rosenthal and McKinnie), they don't have any quality OTs either.

 

[Duckjake]

Are they shopping around for a guy to start for us at RT or just adding depth to our roster?

 

[Pariah]

Are they shopping around for a guy to start for us at RT or just adding depth to our roster?

Well, in a sense, probably both. A guy that can start for the first few weeks while Ross is coming back, and can be quality depth/push to keep the job after Ross is healthy.

 

[DECARDFAN]

Trade

I'm not down on Marcel Shipp, but I think you could trade him to the Eagles for Tra Thomas. And I would make that trade.

 

[SuperSpck]

I'm not down on Marcel Shipp, but I think you could trade him to the Eagles for Tra Thomas. And I would make that trade.

Unless I'm thinking of someone else, he'd prefer not to be know as "Tra" anymore.

 

[BigDavis75]

Perhaps....

But besides their starters (Rosenthal and McKinnie), they don't have any quality OTs either.

Rosenthal is trash, McKinnie is a very good player though and is on a contract year but he is a pure LT and I seriously doubt the Vikings would part with him for less than 1st. One guy that intrigues me though is Johnson, he was drafted as a G and moved to RT and I really liked what I saw from him there last year. I remember their game against the Bucs last year (season opener) when Johnson was one of only two Vikings lineman to be doing anything and the coach pulled him. I was really scratching my head after that move.