Who Here Is Happy We Extended Kyler?

[dreamcastrocks]

A pretty large sample size towards the end of last year says otherwise no? 7 games worth…..

See what I posted above.

 

[Stout]

I've been reading on some other threads about Kyler being a "generational" talent or a "transcendent" talent. Unsurprisingly, I fall on the side that thinks this is complete nonsense. He's an athletic freak, sure, but that guarantees nothing, especially at QB. There are plenty of athletic freaks at non-premium positions that flat-out failed, and we're talking QB here. Instead of "looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane," we can say "runs like scared Josh Allen, thinks like Gomer Pyle."

 

[Chopper0080]

I've been reading on some other threads about Kyler being a "generational" talent or a "transcendent" talent. Unsurprisingly, I fall on the side that thinks this is complete nonsense. He's an athletic freak, sure, but that guarantees nothing, especially at QB. There are plenty of athletic freaks at non-premium positions that flat-out failed, and we're talking QB here. Instead of "looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane," we can say "runs like scared Josh Allen, thinks like Gomer Pyle."

The thing that stops Kyler from being "transcendent" and "generational" is his size. Lamar is a freak. Allen is a freak. Luck was a freak. Elway was a freak. Big, strong and fast. Kyler is fast.

 

[urs]

And arguably one of the worst in the league after the first half of the season. That's too Jekyll and Hyde.

In the final 6 games he completed 65% of passes for 250ypg averaged 46 yards rushing a game and had 9 TD(passing and rushing) to 3 INT. Clearly not great, but also not "one of the worst". The hyperbole that comes out of you guys that wish we still had Rosen is comical. A number of factors led to our slide last year, including Murray's play which was pretty average overall the final 6 games, seemingly pinning it on Murray is just asinine.

 

[Chopper0080]

This stat is shocking.

Kyler, in his career, when trailing with less than two minutes to go.

43/77 - 55.84%
419 yards
2 TDs
22 total 1st downs
2 INTs
69.1 QB Rating
6 sacks -52 yards
4.79 yards attempt

This one isn't shocking but is interesting as well

Kyler career stats under C
78/139 - 56.12%
959 yards
49 total 1st downs
11 TDs
1 INT
101 QB Rating (his best among gun vs under C)

 

[SissyBoyFloyd]

I am fine with his extension. What were our alternatives? As long as he is exciting and winning games, he can always be traded for a boat load of picks if we want to ever do that.

 

[Cheesebeef]

The thing that stops Kyler from being "transcendent" and "generational" is his size. Lamar is a freak. Allen is a freak. Luck was a freak. Elway was a freak. Big, strong and fast. Kyler is fast.

Yup. Exact same point I made when someone said Kyler can change “the entire game of football”.

He can’t because his size doesn’t allow him to beat utilize his running ability the way guys like Allen and Jackson do.

And he’s nowhere near the passer of someone like Mahommes.

 

[iLLmatiC]

What makes Kyler good is his ability to be a dual threat. Unfortunately he doesn't like running.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

What makes Kyler good is his ability to be a dual threat. Unfortunately he doesn't like running.

His latest quote says otherwise.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Yup. Exact same point I made when someone said Kyler can change “the entire game of football”.

He can’t because his size doesn’t allow him to beat utilize his running ability the way guys like Allen and Jackson do.

And he’s nowhere near the passer of someone like Mahommes.

If Kyler plays like he did the first half of the season, he can. I stand by that.

 

[Cheesebeef]

His latest quote says otherwise.

Actions speak louder than words. Like sliding, with no one near him, short of the first down and in bounds during what should be a hurry up offense at the end games.

 

[Cheesebeef]

If Kyler plays like he did the first half of the season, he can. I stand by that.

But he has NEVER done so in an entire season. So you’re standing by something that’s never happened.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Actions speak louder than words. Like sliding, with no one near him, short of the first down and in bounds during what should be a hurry up offense at the end games.

Running and running for tough yards aren't the same thing. I don't think Kyler has any interest running for tough yards.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

But he has NEVER done so in an entire season. So you’re standing by something that’s never happened.

I'm standing by my 'could' statement. I never said he WAS a generational talent.

Furthermore, I didn't even discuss why we shouldn't be telling people what they should or should not talk about/post.

 

[Shane]

Actions speak louder than words. Like sliding, with no one near him, short of the first down and in bounds during what should be a hurry up offense at the end games.

Boom

 

[Shane]

Running and running for tough yards aren't the same thing. I don't think Kyler has any interest running for tough yards.

Or easy two minute drill to the sideline yards either

 

[kerouac9]

His latest quote says otherwise.

It literally does not. It doesn’t say the opposite, either.

 

[Stout]

Running and running for tough yards aren't the same thing. I don't think Kyler has any interest running for tough yards.

Then I have no interest in him as a QB. I don't care if you're Lamar Jackson in ability or a Carson Palmer statue, every QB needs to run for tough yards at one time or another.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Then I have no interest in him as a QB. I don't care if you're Lamar Jackson in ability or a Carson Palmer statue, every QB needs to run for tough yards at one time or another.

We've known that for quite some time.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

It literally does not. It doesn’t say the opposite, either.

I didn't say literally. It does take some reading between the lines though.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I'm standing by my 'could' statement. I never said he WAS a generational talent.

Furthermore, I didn't even discuss why we shouldn't be telling people what they should or should not talk about/post.

Good lord. It’s a figure of speech. No one is really advocating that people shouldn’t be allowed to call him transcendent.

It’s just ridiculous to do so.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Good lord. It’s a figure of speech. No one is really advocating that people shouldn’t be allowed to call him transcendent.

It’s just ridiculous to do so.

You think it is ridiculous to say he could be generational talent, fine. I don't.

 

[jf-08]

What makes Kyler good is his ability to be a dual threat. Unfortunately he doesn't like running.

I'm glad that you didn't say "duel threat" like so may jabronis do. Thank you.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Kyler is like a halftime show at an NBA game. Fun to watch but not a whole lot of substance to it.
The Cardinals aren’t winning anything significant with him as QB.

 

[Shane]

Kyler is like a halftime show at an NBA game. Fun to watch but not a whole lot of substance to it.
The Cardinals aren’t winning anything significant with him as QB.

Pretty much sums it up