Who is Kyler Murray?

[Cheesebeef]

I get your point. But sometimes it just takes failure and maturation for some athletes.

Sticking with the suns, I point at Javale mcgee. That did is supremely talented. But he’s been a journeyman because he was such a goofball. Essentially wasted his talent for the majority of his career. I think bc he’s bounced around so much he’s never really had the ultimate success he could’ve, but with maturation he’s become a key player for playoff teams, contender and a gold medal Olympic team.

You know someone is going to come back at this post with some inane “yeah... Kyler Murray is REALLY like Javale McGee! SMDH!” stupidity.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

You know someone is going to come back at this post with some inane “yeah... Kyler Murray is REALLY like Javale McGee! SMDH!” stupidity.

I know. I had that thought right have I hit Post reply. But the truth is, the people that type those posts don’t understand the point I’m making and no amount of explaining will get them there. So it is what it is.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

The McGee reference is really out of left field.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

I guess if Kyler was a joke for years it would make sense but still no

 

[Cheesebeef]

I know. I had that thought right have I hit Post reply. But the truth is, the people that type those posts don’t understand the point I’m making and no amount of explaining will get them there. So it is what it is.

Actually, the more I think about it, the worse that point gets. It’s an inherent comparison... the kind I would tear apart whenever someone defends Kyler by pointing to Brady misstep.

I get the point you’re making but it’s poorly made.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I guess if Kyler was a joke for years it would make sense but still no

Agreed. Ouchie is a big dumb dumb for that one.

 

[ajcardfan]

I will do you one more, what is Kyler Murray

When is Kyler Murray?

 

[GatorAZ]

When is Kyler Murray?

Why is Kyler Murray?

 

[Cheesebeef]

Why is Kyler Murray?

How is Kyler Murray?

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

The McGee reference is really out of left field.

Here’s my poster boy.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Actually, the more I think about it, the worse that point gets. It’s an inherent comparison... the kind I would tear apart whenever someone defends Kyler by pointing to Brady misstep.

I get the point you’re making but it’s poorly made.

Sanders already didn’t understand it. It’s not about what each player did. It’s about concepts.

Failure + maturity = change and growth

Mcgee: goofball couldn’t stay with a team (failure) + older (maturity) = terrific role player now desired by teams (change and growth)

Murray (if slide continues): losses big games/end of season slides (failure) + young guy now, will get older (maturity) = becomes more of a leader/more film time (change and growth)

 

[Krangodnzr]

Very excited to hear what @Krangthebrain has to say after reading this.

Finally something not based on ******** to peg on the kid.

 

[K1Day1]

I will do you one more, what is Kyler Murray

When is Kyler Murray?

Why is Kyler Murray?

How is Kyler Murray?

Is Kyler......... Murray?

 

[tnmike]

Who is Navin Johnson ? Things are going to start happening to me now !!!

 

[BritCard]

If you want a better idea of who he is I recommend the piece in today’s New York Times. Here’s a sample, “I think I was blessed with the cognitive skills to just go out there and just see it before it happens,” Murray said. “I’m not one of those guys that’s going to sit there and kill myself watching film. I don’t sit there for 24 hours and break down this team and that team and watch every game because, in my head, I see so much.”

This explains everything.

"I am naturally gifted. I don't need to put the work in" is the tag line of everyone that fails to reach their potential.

You think Tom Brady, even after all this time in the league, isn't studying his ass off every week?

 

[BritCard]

Man this is very similar to Ayton a year ago. Entering his third year, Ayton was just supremely confident in his own abilities and the lack of need to work beyond what god has given him. Ayton said he had never watched any tape on his opponents or historically good big men til the bubble. Even after that he rarely watched film. I will never forget the Dominayton tattoo without ever making the playoffs or an All Star Game. Celebrate when you made it...

Then came CP3 and he challenged him. He made him work. Even still, we just see scratches of the true potential behind the talent.

I do believe Murray has a higher drive than Ayton, but you can't discount the similarities in effort. Maybe it's a generational thing. Someone needs to tell Murray if he wants to be "Dominayton", then this is what needs to happen. Clearly Kliff is no Monty.

From my end:

Darkside Chris: I am waiting for Murray to win a big game. He has beaten great teams but never when it matters. He wants every shot to be a right cross but the jabs are what wins the bout. What could he really be if he just took what was given?

Lightside Chris: He is the second best QB in Cards history. He works at the physical side all the time and it shows on the field. What could he really be if he just changed his studying habits?

Realistic Chris: Both are correct. Murray is the 2nd best QB in Cardinals history and only himself will and is keeping him from being first.

As much as this is an indictment of Kyler it's an even bigger indictment of Kliff.

Kliff should be the CP3 in this analogy.

 

[Stout]

I think Mr B needs to hire Peyton Manning to teach Murray how to learn to be a QB. If there is one player on a team that should be breaking down game film more than anyone it’s the quarterback.

Spot on.

 

[Stout]

I mean I kind of don’t.

Do you know he’s not hurt? I think it’s pretty obvious. All of a sudden he’s just air mailing everything? That’s comes from not planting and driving.

He’s also not running at all.

I think it’s obvious his ankle is still bothering him, but that’s my opinion

Stop it. The kid just admitted he doesn't do or care to do one of the baseline research activities any QB worth his salt has to do. His injury status is irrelevant. You don't like that KM said something stupid because he's doing something stupid, so you just stick your head in the sand and ignore it?

Answer this question without digressing: How upset does this specific news about KM--self-reported, so we know it's accurate--make you?

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Actually, we will. We’ll be talking about how well he played. Just like we did when he played great to open the season.

As much as you WANT to believe people don’t want Kyler to succeed, you’re wrong.

Outrageous! How dare you presume to know what I want other people to think cheese! When or where have I ever said that? A baseless accusation.

And it doesn't even make any sense! If I'm a big fan of Murray, why wouldn't I want other people to hope for his success? Of course I want you and everyone else here to hope for his success you silly! You didn't really think that one through, did you?

Hey, I've got a great idea... How about I put you on ignore? Yeah!

 

[Harry]

Just a couple more quick thought. It‘s my experience the way you learn to read specific defenses is to watch films. I think of a guy like Warner, who lived on films, then went out and chewed up defenses. That brings me to point 2. Maybe this is why Murray rarely audibles. Warner would often get to the line and change the play. If you can’t do that when the opponent is in their best defense for the called play, your odds of success are slimmer. Warner was typically attacking weaknesses; Murray may often be attacking strengths. That makes life tougher.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

Just a couple more quick thought. It‘s my experience the way you learn to read specific defenses is to watch films. I think of a guy like Warner, who lived on films, then went out and chewed up defenses. That brings me to point 2. Maybe this is why Murray rarely audibles. Warner would often get to the line and change the play. If you can’t do that when the opponent is in their best defense for the called play, your odds of success are slimmer. Warner was typically attacking weaknesses; Murray may often be attacking strengths. That makes life tougher.

Warner was a master at reading a defense

He knew where every players was supposed to be on every route

KM reading a defense will be the key to our success

Early in the season it's easier

After DC's get film on you it gets tougher unless you are studying film to make the adjustments

 

[Finito]

Stop it. The kid just admitted he doesn't do or care to do one of the baseline research activities any QB worth his salt has to do. His injury status is irrelevant. You don't like that KM said something stupid because he's doing something stupid, so you just stick your head in the sand and ignore it?

Answer this question without digressing: How upset does this specific news about KM--self-reported, so we know it's accurate--make you?

I’ve already answered it. It doesn’t make me upset. It has no effect on my life what’s so ever. You can want something for someone all day long they need to want it for themselves.

I root for the Cardinals but over 30 years of being let down by them has taught me to keep expectations low. There’s nothing they could do to get me worked up

 

[Cheesebeef]

Outrageous! How dare you presume to know what I want other people to think cheese! When or where have I ever said that? A baseless accusation.

And it doesn't even make any sense! If I'm a big fan of Murray, why wouldn't I want other people to hope for his success? Of course I want you and everyone else here to hope for his success you silly! You didn't really think that one through, did you?

Hey, I've got a great idea... How about I put you on ignore? Yeah!

Lol. Your outrage is hilarious as is your predictable lack of self-awareness. I mean... you thought the Cards were going to be really good with... Sam Bradford, and yet don’t believe you are a Kool-Aider.

 

[Finito]

Link?

It’s pretty stunning that you’re not worried about Kyler in the film room while also desperately worried about no leaders stepping up in the stretch run. Could those two things be related?

Oh sure. Your so busy trying to play “gotcha” your not paying attention

Your most talented players aren’t always your leaders on a team you should know that. I’m seeing a complete system failure here.

Like I said you don’t like him, you don’t want to pay him then what’s your plan to replace him? I can’t tell you what I tell men who bring me only problems and not solutions I’d get banned.

 

[Cheesebeef]

As much as this is an indictment of Kyler it's an even bigger indictment of Kliff.

Kliff should be the CP3 in this analogy.

But Kliff can’t possibly be a CP3 because he’s never won anything. And he’s not on the field.

JJ Watt was supposed to be the CP3, but you can’t lead from the IR. Also, it’s not like Watt has actually ever won anything either.

The sad truth is you hope to draft a CP3 with the first overall pick, especially one who’s a QB.