Who is on Hall watch?

[Russ Smith]

And that people are excited about one throw out of 14.

I'll look again today on NFL rewind but from what I saw yesterday the kid just doesn't have the natural ability to be a top NFL QB. Not his fault and I'm sure he is a wonderful person.

It's not one pass. K9 said he didn't throw a ball over 20 yards, I pointed out he did. That's why that one play is being discussed.

There were several throws in the game he made that were impressive. That was one, the one to Dray was another, the bullet to Fitz was impressive in that he stepped up feet not set and rifled it to Fitz in heavy coverage, but he put the ball low and away where if a diving Fitz doesn't catch it, nobody can.

One of his best throws of the night IMHO was the touch pass to Hightower that fell incomplete because #99 armbarred TH the whole way with the ball in the air. I couldn't believe that wasn't called PI. That's a throw Anderson can't make, he'd throw it on a line and it would fly over TH. If TH isn't interfered with he has a chance to make that catch, and Hall got hit just as he released that one.

 

[desertdawg]

Hall looked like what he is in the San Diego game. That is a rookie. He is no where near ready to run an NFL team. We have no QB on this team who is ready to run an NFL team. As bad as Anderson is it is better that he start than Hall as we do not want to destroy any confidence this young man may have. Perhaps we need to do what the Eagles may do and that is go out and sign someone like Garcia. The Eagle like us left no room for an injury to Vick and now have no QB it seems. Any team with any sense has a backup QB that has played in the NFL. Where it was Whiz or Green or whoever that made the QB decisions should be called to task. Personally I never have liked our GM. Our number one pick last year has been sent down due to his poor play and weight problem.

I think Hall watching DA play gave him all the confidence he needed.

 

[Duckjake]

It's not one pass. K9 said he didn't throw a ball over 20 yards, I pointed out he did. That's why that one play is being discussed.

There were several throws in the game he made that were impressive. That was one, the one to Dray was another, the bullet to Fitz was impressive in that he stepped up feet not set and rifled it to Fitz in heavy coverage, but he put the ball low and away where if a diving Fitz doesn't catch it, nobody can.

One of his best throws of the night IMHO was the touch pass to Hightower that fell incomplete because #99 armbarred TH the whole way with the ball in the air. I couldn't believe that wasn't called PI. That's a throw Anderson can't make, he'd throw it on a line and it would fly over TH. If TH isn't interfered with he has a chance to make that catch, and Hall got hit just as he released that one.

We'll see. Hall looked to me like what he is. A guy simply too small to be a big time QB in the NFL. Sort of like Mike Adams. We all love the effort from Money but he just doesn't have the size.

 

[Russ Smith]

We'll see. Hall looked to me like what he is. A guy simply too small to be a big time QB in the NFL. Sort of like Mike Adams. We all love the effort from Money but he just doesn't have the size.

Maybe we'll get to see Sunday but they keep telling us he's the same size as that midget Brees that won the Superbowl MVP.

And I'm not saying his arm is as strong as Drew Brees', nor is he as accurate, but you said he's too small and he's LISTED at the same height.

 

[Duckjake]

Maybe we'll get to see Sunday but they keep telling us he's the same size as that midget Brees that won the Superbowl MVP.

And I'm not saying his arm is as strong as Drew Brees', nor is he as accurate, but you said he's too small and he's LISTED at the same height.

He might be LISTED at the same height but he sure doesn't look like he is the same size. Somebody posted that Hall looked about 5'10".

Seems that somebody else tends to agree with me:

but is a bit of a system quarterback that lacks two important factors for the next level, size and arm strength. He knows how to read coverages and understands the game but will struggle to make the intermediate to deep throws to the sideline as well as the vertical throws downfield. He is athletic and can extend the pocket but needs to set his feet if he has to get any zip on the pass. He has a chance to stick as a backup but he’s not a lock by any stretch of the imagination.

Just curious how many other NFL QBs are that size other than Drew Brees? Sort of like how many top NFL QBs were 6th round draft picks like Tom Brady.

 

[AzStevenCal]

He might be LISTED at the same height but he sure doesn't look like he is the same size. Somebody posted that Hall looked about 5'10".

Seems that somebody else tends to agree with me:

I'm not one of them but I think it's safe to say that a lot of people agreed with you. After all, he did go undrafted.

Steve

 

[Russ Smith]

He might be LISTED at the same height but he sure doesn't look like he is the same size. Somebody posted that Hall looked about 5'10".

Seems that somebody else tends to agree with me:

I read that exact scouting report last week and IIRC, there's not even a name attached to it? It's on NFL.com but I couldn't find who wrote it I was trying to figure out just so I could see if their opinion had changed at all since he made the Cards roster.

NFL.com's comments on his Combine workout said he was one of the surprises of the combine for QB's, he showed much better than expected and while there were still questions is his arm was strong enough to "push balls downfield" he showed everyone he could make every throw they asked him to make.

BTW, he officially measured at 6'0 5/8" at the combine, so 3/8 of an inch below 6'1". Which is the identical measurement to Drew Brees at his combine. Most of the players in the NFL lie about their height so it's not clear to me his 3/8" of an inch is that big of a deal. note the same place I found Brees' combine height said he needed a strong personal workout because his performance at the combine left scouts wondering if his arm was strong enough to make the downfield throws. I've read that Brees says his arm is stronger now than it was before his shoulder surgery, I don't think he grew any though.


The reason I mention not knowing who wrote that is it makes a difference to me. For example there's a guy on bleacher report who rated Max Hall the 3rd best QB in the draft behind Bradford and I think Colt McCoy, he had him ahead of Clausen and a bunch of other ones. I read that after we signed Max and thought wow, then I realized the guy was literally just some guy who wrote for bleacher report. He wasnt' a coach, a scout, he hadn't been doing it for years(like Kiper) where he had some sort of track record, he was just some guy who was on a website, no idea what qualified him for that job.

 

[Duckjake]

One enormous difference between Max Hall and Drew Brees that makes Brees far superior.

Brees is from Austin.

 

[slanidrac16]

No one was singing praise for Tom Brady. Remember he was a guy that 32 teams passed on 6 times before the PAts drafted him.
By the way , to little Max Hall is listed as 6'1" 205...Brees 6'0" 205.

 

[Russ Smith]

One enormous difference between Max Hall and Drew Brees that makes Brees far superior.

Brees is from Austin.

And they didn't recruit him because he was too short.

anyhow, if Hall is 5'10" someone needs to get the NFL a new way of measuring players at the combine.

 

[Duckjake]

No one was singing praise for Tom Brady. Remember he was a guy that 32 teams passed on 6 times before the PAts drafted him.
By the way , to little Max Hall is listed as 6'1" 205...Brees 6'0" 205.

Yes and like Brees Brady is the ONLY QB drafted in the 6th round since expansion to do that. As is Brees in relation to size. Just like Warner is the only QB to come from the scrap heap twice to go to the SB. Just because one guy does it doesn't necessarily mean that every guy in the same situation will.

 

[Russ Smith]

Yes and like Brees Brady is the ONLY QB drafted in the 6th round since expansion to do that. As is Brees in relation to size. Just like Warner is the only QB to come from the scrap heap twice to go to the SB. Just because one guy does it doesn't necessarily mean that every guy in the same situation will.

Montana and Young were both 1 inch taller than Brees is. Size helps but it's not the end all for a QB, if it was Dan McGwire's career would have worked out differently.

I figure if you can throw out height estimates without any evidence, I can start comparing Hall to Hall of Famers since we're clearly not concerned with being accountable for anything we say on this thread.

 

[Duckjake]

And they didn't recruit him because he was too short.

No it was because John Mackovic was Head Coach and everyone knows he was an idiot.

Ruined programs at both Texas and Arizona.

 

[Russ Smith]

No it was because John Mackovic was Head Coach and everyone knows he was an idiot.

Ruined programs at both Texas and Arizona.

Brees has said multiple times he ended up out of state because everyone in Texas thought he was too small. Surprisingly he wanted to go to A&M not UT, even though his uncle played at UT in 1975(Marty Akins, personally never heard of him). Ironically I saw an interview with Colt McCoy a couple of years ago, he said Drew Brees success at Purdue helped him get a scholarship to Texas, they were concerned they would miss out like they did with Brees.

http://www.kbtx.com/home/headlines/83494517.html

Turns out Brees wasn't highly coveted coming out of Austin Westlake but like they say, everything worked out like it was supposed to.

"Nobody in Texas wanted him, his only choice was Kentucky and Purdue," said Brees' grandmother Virgina Akins.

After Drew Brees lead the Chapperals to a State Championship in 1996, you would think Brees' offers to play college ball would be as plentiful as the amount of points Westlake put up against Abilene Cooper that day. But they weren't.

"Well we actually did look at Drew in high school," said former Texas A&M head coach R.C. Slocum.

Slocum had a shot at the soon to be Super Bowl quarterback but he had some concerns about Brees.

"People looked at him and saw him as an undersized quarterback and he had some injury problems. Everybody in the neighborhood and this part of the county, including the University of Texas where his Uncle was a starting quarterback, passed on him out of high school," said Slocum.

 

[Duckjake]

Slocum was a civilized Buddy Ryan. He didn't know jack about offense.

Marty Akins, personally never heard of him

Akins was Darrel Royal's last wishbone QB '73-'75. Had a Corporate Finance class with him. I don't think he threw 200 passes in his 3 years as starter at Texas.

 

[john h]

I see your point.

But that you wanna bet 100 bucks we DON'T go 0-2 the next two games? Because PM and I'll take that bet.

So if that's such a given for me, you can see why I am not too excited about our prospects, even at 2-1.

Maybe I am delusional but I actually think Max gives us a better chance to win one of these next 2 games. At least there isn't a bunch of tape on him to view and he can run around and add a new dimension to our team.

Max Hall to me did not look like the QBOF. Of course one-half of a game is not enough game experience to make that judgement. In the meantime I am not ready to just give up on the season to evaluate Max Hall. He is short but there have been six foot QBs who made it big in the NFL. He threw a couple of good passes and more terrible passes. With the pass rush he was getting it is hard to tell just what he has. Warner with his experience would have eaten the pass rush alive. He was very adept at doing this. I do not think the QBOF is on this team. Next season we will need to pick up some one like a McNabb or whoever. They must have had some success in the NFL. I suspect we will be drafting in the top ten. Our current QBs and defense we are not going to win many games. Hall due to lack of experience and other problems. Anderson because he is not accurate. I sure hate to see us lose Fitz but I now think that is a given. We still have several good receivers but no all pro difference makers. I wish I could think of some positives for this year but I really cannot think of any. We have fallen down and cannot get up. Think how the 49er fans must feel. They were projected as the class of the west and have yet to win a game. Oh, there is one good thing at the moment. We are in first place. We better enjoy it while we can. As always I am a Cards fan but am just facing the reality of what I have seen. Usually we are half way through the season before I become disenchanted. Now we are only 4 games into the season and things look very bleak.

 

[Garthshort]

If Brees had to leave Texas because he was too short, did Skelton have to leave because he was too tall?

 

[Russ Smith]

Max Hall to me did not look like the QBOF. Of course one-half of a game is not enough game experience to make that judgement. In the meantime I am not ready to just give up on the season to evaluate Max Hall. He is short but there have been six foot QBs who made it big in the NFL. He threw a couple of good passes and more terrible passes. With the pass rush he was getting it is hard to tell just what he has. Warner with his experience would have eaten the pass rush alive. He was very adept at doing this. I do not think the QBOF is on this team. Next season we will need to pick up some one like a McNabb or whoever. They must have had some success in the NFL. I suspect we will be drafting in the top ten. Our current QBs and defense we are not going to win many games. Hall due to lack of experience and other problems. Anderson because he is not accurate. I sure hate to see us lose Fitz but I now think that is a given. We still have several good receivers but no all pro difference makers. I wish I could think of some positives for this year but I really cannot think of any. We have fallen down and cannot get up. Think how the 49er fans must feel. They were projected as the class of the west and have yet to win a game. Oh, there is one good thing at the moment. We are in first place. We better enjoy it while we can. As always I am a Cards fan but am just facing the reality of what I have seen. Usually we are half way through the season before I become disenchanted. Now we are only 4 games into the season and things look very bleak.

I actually don't think Kurt would have eaten SD alive. Kurt is a HOF QB but we've all seen him absolutely come apart at the seams in some games every season when things aren't working.

One of the things that made Kurt special the last few years is a very good group of WR's who were on the same page as him with regards to reading blitzes and adjusting routes, playing with 3 rookie WR's would have impacted that significantly. The other thing is SD was getting pressure on us consistently WITHOUT blitzing, they did blitz on occasion yes, but they were often just rushing 4 guys and beating our OL like a drum.

Kurt was great at picking a blitz apart, but if you can get a rush with just 4 guys, Kurt like anybody else has problems because there are 7 guys in coverage AND a pass rush.

He would have done a lot better than DA or Hall did of course, but Kurt wouldn't have put up 30+ points in that game with that OL and 3 rookies at WR.