Who is on Hall watch?

[WisconsinCard]

The best player on every team that has a struggling offense is the back-up QB. I know we all hope that MH or JS is our QBOF, but they are both rookies, and both need time to develop. It could also backfire misserably if we throw them to the wolves too soon. I would also like to see our o-line get some more time together before either rook plays.

 

[Goldfield]

I loved what I saw of hall but I will be patient and wait till its his time...

 

[Duckjake]

I loved what I saw of hall but I will be patient and wait till its his time...

I still think that if this is truly a rebuilding year and we should be prepared to accept a 6-10 record then the Cards should go ahead and play Hall because it would be more entertaining to watch him. What difference does it make if you are 4-12 or 6-10 other than draft position?

 

[kerouac9]

Why not unleash the QB with no film now and steal wins now?

Because if Hall really is a below-average quarterback (and I believe he will be), then he's not going to be useful to you in December and January if you play him now. The more you see of a young quarterback, the less effective he's going to be. The NFL figures everyone out, and it's on the QB and offensive coaching staff to respond. Derek Anderson was good for about 10 games his third season in the NFL, and then the NFL figured him out and he was unable to adjust. Interestingly, it seemed to be against us in 2007 when the League figured out how to prepare for Derek Anderson; he hasn't been the same since.

Look up how well guys like Dan Orlovsky and Matt Moore did in their first handful of games. Do you think that those are two good quarterbacks, or guys whom the NFL hadn't seen yet and were surprising opponents?

I still think that if this is truly a rebuilding year and we should be prepared to accept a 6-10 record then the Cards should go ahead and play Hall because it would be more entertaining to watch him. What difference does it make if you are 4-12 or 6-10 other than draft position?

I don't want to pay for a Top 10 contract. That's the difference to me--and certainly to the front office.

I don't think that 35-10 losses are fun. I didn't think the Josh McCown era was fun, and I think that Max Hall is significantly worse than Josh McCown.

 

[PJ1]

I still think that if this is truly a rebuilding year and we should be prepared to accept a 6-10 record then the Cards should go ahead and play Hall because it would be more entertaining to watch him. What difference does it make if you are 4-12 or 6-10 other than draft position?

True. And how is it a transition year when sticking with DA who is not the answer or our future?

 

[kerouac9]

True. And how is it a transition year when sticking with DA who is not the answer or our future?

Because you can better develop your OL, WRs, TEs, RBs, and defense with DA under center than a rookie who doesn't know what he's doing running around in the back field and finding yourself in a 17-3 deficit in the first quarter.

 

[dogpoo32]

I didn't think the Josh McCown era was fun, and I think that Max Hall is significantly worse than Josh McCown.

Remember this, if nothing else.

 

[dogpoo32]

Because you can better develop your OL, WRs, TEs, RBs, and defense with DA under center than a rookie who doesn't know what he's doing running around in the back field and finding yourself in a 17-3 deficit in the first quarter.

What, pray tell, has DA shown you that makes you believe that he does know what he is doing?

 

[PJ1]

Because you can better develop your OL, WRs, TEs, RBs, and defense with DA under center than a rookie who doesn't know what he's doing running around in the back field and finding yourself in a 17-3 deficit in the first quarter.

Develop players with DA at QB? Are you kidding me? We have played one good team and what was the score in that game? Trust me you have more of these scores coming with DA and he won't develop anyone. They may learn how to contort themselves like a circus performer though.

 

[kerouac9]

What, pray tell, has DA shown you that makes you believe that he does know what he is doing?

Five years in the NFL. The faith of the Arizona Cardinals coaching staff, two-time defending NFC West Champions and 2008 NFC Champions.

 

[Russ Smith]

Five years in the NFL. The faith of the Arizona Cardinals coaching staff, two-time defending NFC West Champions and 2008 NFC Champions.

Well but you keep saying that same coaching staff is dead wrong about Max Hall who they said was their best QB in camp and then made him #2 knowing the #3 is a raw rookie?

It's clear that you're positive they're wrong about Hall but you accept they're right about Anderson?

Not saying you don't have a right to that opinion of course, just that it's YOUR opinion of the QB's that you're basing your statements on, not the coaching staffs' opinions.

 

[kerouac9]

Well but you keep saying that same coaching staff is dead wrong about Max Hall who they said was their best QB in camp and then made him #2 knowing the #3 is a raw rookie?

It's clear that you're positive they're wrong about Hall but you accept they're right about Anderson?

Not saying you don't have a right to that opinion of course, just that it's YOUR opinion of the QB's that you're basing your statements on, not the coaching staffs' opinions.

You're talking about two different things.

I agree with the coaching staff that Derek Anderson is better than Max Hall. I haven't seen a quote from Whis saying that Max Hall was the best QB in camp; I've heard a column from carnival barker Peter King who is an idiot without any accountability to anyone and is wrong far more often than he's right. The ONLY person who said that Max Hall was the best QB in camp was Peter King.

I trust the coaching staff that Max Hall is better than John Skelton. Because he had to either be better than John Skelton or nobody after #7 made it clear he could not be the #2 again going into the season.

I'm not sure what you expected the coaching staff to do once #7 burned his bridge with the HC following the Bears game. Max Hall could still suck and be the 2nd best quarterback on the team. There's nothing inconsistent about that.

 

[PACardsFan]

I firmly believe that Whiz realizes that DA will NOT be on this team next year. He's hoping that this team can somehow, someway, continue to win ugly. As soon as the W's dry up with DA, he will be replaced. Whiz won't tolerate losing. He'll tolerate winning ugly though, at least through this year. Deep down, he would love to keep Hall on the sideline this year. Every other aspect of this team will have to improve dramatically though, because DA surely won't. Personally, I don't think we'll see the Cardinals draft a first round QB for a very, very long time. I think we'll see a seasoned & successful 30 something yr old running this team next year. Having had success with Warner at a ripe age, I see the Cardinals following that blueprint in the future. I expect to see a McNabb type QB sign a 2-3 yr contract during the offseason. I think that Whiz is perfectly content in NEVER having a QBOF. He'd much rather have a savvy, seasoned guy who knows how to win NOW. I really like both Hall & Skelton. But Skelton is at least 2 yrs from ever seeing playing time. IMO, Hall is ready to compete now, but not ready to win NOW. Whiz plays for keeps and want to win now. Hall only plays if/when he absolutely has to, whixh may be sooner rather than later.

 

[Bert]

If that wasn't true, then why would he put this team in a position to be ONE play from Max being our starter?

Because he cut Matt Leinart?

 

[Duckjake]

I don't think that 35-10 losses are fun

finding yourself in a 17-3 deficit in the first quarter.

We're already looking at those. Atlanta 41 Arizona 7 with a 24-7 halftime deficit.

We're fortunate that Oakland kept shooting themselves in the foot or that game would have been almost as bad.

We are looking at the Josh McCown era because DA is just as bad as Josh and the defense isn't playing well enough to make up for it.

 

[JeffGollin]

If we were 0 & 3, I could see us wondering out loud if it was time to bag the season, go into rebuilding-mode and give Hall (& for that matter Skelton) more experience and audition-time.

But even then, I'd be inclined to avoid pulling the trigger so early in the season (Witness the team we play today - the Chargers are notorious for starting out slowly but winding up deep into the playoffs).

But we're not 0 & 3. We're 2 & 1.

We're in it until we're no longer in it.

How would you like to be D-Dock or Fitz or A-Dub or Joey P or DRC or Calais or Beanie -only to learn that your FO is throwing you under the bus by deciding (after three freaking games) that 2010 is a "rebuilding year."

I love Hall's potential. I like what little I saw in preseason. But to throw him to the wolves 3 games into the season? The downside risk (both to him and the team) of doing something like that would be far greater than the risk of living with our decision to jettison ML and going with DA in the hope that we still have enough juice to make it to the playoffs.

 

[TJ]

If we were 0 & 3, I could see us wondering out loud if it was time to bag the season, go into rebuilding-mode and give Hall (& for that matter Skelton) more experience and audition-time.

But even then, I'd be inclined to avoid pulling the trigger so early in the season (Witness the team we play today - the Chargers are notorious for starting out slowly but winding up deep into the playoffs).

But we're not 0 & 3. We're 2 & 1.

We're in it until we're no longer in it.

How would you like to be D-Dock or Fitz or A-Dub or Joey P or DRC or Calais or Beanie -only to learn that your FO is throwing you under the bus by deciding (after three freaking games) that 2010 is a "rebuilding year."

I love Hall's potential. I like what little I saw in preseason. But to throw him to the wolves 3 games into the season? The downside risk (both to him and the team) of doing something like that would be far greater than the risk of living with our decision to jettison ML and going with DA in the hope that we still have enough juice to make it to the playoffs.

On the other side of the coin, telling them that there is a very visible problem at QB, yet the coach refuses to address it.

And telling Fitz specifically, the coach acknowledges the QB cannot get the ball to its best weapon, yet wont do anything to resolve the situation

The luck is going to eventually wear off and tough decisions are going to have to be made to save the season, unless miraculously Anderson figures out how to throw a football.

 

[kerouac9]

We're already looking at those. Atlanta 41 Arizona 7 with a 24-7 halftime deficit.

We're fortunate that Oakland kept shooting themselves in the foot or that game would have been almost as bad.

We are looking at the Josh McCown era because DA is just as bad as Josh and the defense isn't playing well enough to make up for it.

Maybe, but the Falcons are a good team. I think they'll make the playoffs and maybe win the NFC South outright. I mean going down 24-7 to the Seahawks. I mean going down 35-6 to the Raiders.

DA is a better passer than Josh McCown and he has more talent around him. He's a better decision-maker than Josh McCown ever was in the Valley.

On the other side of the coin, telling them that there is a very visible problem at QB, yet the coach refuses to address it.

And telling Fitz specifically, the coach acknowledges the QB cannot get the ball to its best weapon, yet wont do anything to resolve the situation

The luck is going to eventually wear off and tough decisions are going to have to be made to save the season, unless miraculously Anderson figures out how to throw a football.

I think that the coach is trying to address it every day in practice and in the film room. I'd almost certainly be that they are. Derek Anderson even said as much this week.

If Max Hall is so good right now, and Ken Whisenhunt is so smart, why is he still on the bench? Both things can't be true.

I'm glad that we have to talk about "Saving the season" when we've won twice as many games as we've lost.

 

[Duckjake]

How would you like to be D-Dock or Fitz or A-Dub or Joey P or DRC or Calais or Beanie -only to learn that your FO is throwing you under the bus by deciding (after three freaking games) that 2010 is a "rebuilding year."

Not after "three freaking games" but before the season ever started. No Warner means a rebuilding year. 11 players in new positions means a rebuilding year. Losing 6 players with 5 or more years in the NFL just on your football team means a rebuilding year. For any team not just the Cardinals.

 

[desertdawg]

DA sucks, get over it. K9 IF YOU LOVE da SO MUCH MAYBE A BET IS IN ORDER?

 

[WisconsinCard]

DA sucks, get over it. K9 IF YOU LOVE da SO MUCH MAYBE A BET IS IN ORDER?

Great the new guy attacks. Instead of attacking maybe try and give reasonable options. Who on our roster gives us the best chance to win now.

Now don't mistake me for a DA fan cuz I am not. But IMO he is what we got right now.

 

[kerouac9]

Not after "three freaking games" but before the season ever started. No Warner means a rebuilding year. 11 players in new positions means a rebuilding year. Losing 6 players with 5 or more years in the NFL just on your football team means a rebuilding year. For any team not just the Cardinals.

It is a rebuilding year. But you can't rebuild your OL, WR corps, RB corps, and defense when you're worried about a rookie QB scampering around trying to find passing lanes.

Max Hall will get a chance to compete as things settle around him. The Jets did it the right way: get the offensive and defensive pieces in place, and then you'll be in a position for a young quarterback to succeed. The Indianapolis Colts did it the same way. They had a Pro Bowl RB and WR and a veteran offensive line supporting Manning. Same with the Pats and Drew Bledsoe. Same with

If you don't fix those things, you end up the the Matt Stafford situation in Detroit.

DA sucks, get over it. K9 IF YOU LOVE da SO MUCH MAYBE A BET IS IN ORDER?

Yes, DD. I love Derek Anderson. That's why I said in this very thread that Derek Anderson is the worst starting quarterback in the NFL right now. It's because of my abiding love and support for him.

Get over yourself.

 

[desertdawg]

Great the new guy attacks. Instead of attacking maybe try and give reasonable options. Who on our roster gives us the best chance to win now.

Now don't mistake me for a DA fan cuz I am not. But IMO he is what we got right now.

Chill out homie, I am not attacking anyone or anything. I have already posted that I am down to give DA a couple more games to pick it up. I believe in Whiz not DA.

 

[desertdawg]

It is a rebuilding year. But you can't rebuild your OL, WR corps, RB corps, and defense when you're worried about a rookie QB scampering around trying to find passing lanes.

Max Hall will get a chance to compete as things settle around him. The Jets did it the right way: get the offensive and defensive pieces in place, and then you'll be in a position for a young quarterback to succeed. The Indianapolis Colts did it the same way. They had a Pro Bowl RB and WR and a veteran offensive line supporting Manning. Same with the Pats and Drew Bledsoe. Same with

If you don't fix those things, you end up the the Matt Stafford situation in Detroit.



Yes, DD. I love Derek Anderson. That's why I said in this very thread that Derek Anderson is the worst starting quarterback in the NFL right now. It's because of my abiding love and support for him.

Get over yourself.

Sorry bro, I don't think Hall will come in and be the savior. I just feel DA doesn't do this team justice. I went to Starbucks, drank some coffee and am now over myself.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Sorry bro, I don't think Hall will come in and be the savior. I just feel DA doesn't do this team justice. I went to Starbucks, drank some coffee and am now over myself.

Nice job taking a punch.

Steve