Who is on Hall watch?

[WisconsinCard]

Great the new guy attacks. Instead of attacking maybe try and give reasonable options. Who on our roster gives us the best chance to win now.

Now don't mistake me for a DA fan cuz I am not. But IMO he is what we got right now.

OK I WAS WRONG!!! Might as well let the rookies play, make DA the number 3 next week.

 

[Duckjake]

Well K9 it looks like you were right and so was I. Max Hall is in way over his head and this IS the Josh McCown era and even more disgusting because the talent level on the team is far better than in 2002 and 2003.

Matt Leinart could throw right handed and do as well as the two guys we have now. What in the world could have happened with Leinart that was so horrific that the Cards released Matt and went with possibly the worst 1-2 combination of QBs in the NFL?

 

[Russ Smith]

Well K9 it looks like you were right and so was I. Max Hall is in way over his head and this IS the Josh McCown era and even more disgusting because the talent level on the team is far better than in 2002 and 2003.

Matt Leinart could throw right handed and do as well as the two guys we have now. What in the world could have happened with Leinart that was so horrific that the Cards released Matt and went with possibly the worst 1-2 combination of QBs in the NFL?

Well that's that, no point looking at the actual numbers on Matt when he was the backup right?

Matt was 30-46 as a backup last year, 0 TD, 3 INT, 215 yards passing, that's 4.7 YPA and that's playing with a healthy Fitz, sometimes Boldin, and with Breaston and sometimes Doucet. One of those games was the final against GB where we knew he was going to play most of the game and that he presumably got some of the first string reps in practice that week since we all knew Whiz wasn't going to play Warner very long. We also had a better pass blocking OL last year, by far.

Hall in one game went 8-14 82 years so he's now 9-16 85 yards 1 INT on the season that's 5.3 YPA. I don't feel like checking drive by drive how many points we scored with Matt as the backup QB, it wasn't that many. I didn't want Matt to end up dumped like he was but so far Hall has played just as well off the bench as Matt did, and in much worse circumstances, with 3 rookie wr's and a significantly worse pass blocking OL.

I don't have the passer ratings for them both as backups but I'm assuming they're pretty close and Max is higher. Clausen's first start he fumbled 3 times and threw a pick and had 2 others dropped. He nearly beat NO today by not turnign the ball over. I would hope if Hall starts next week he too will be a lot better prepared and play better.

 

[Duckjake]

Well that's that, no point looking at the actual numbers on Matt when he was the backup right?

Matt was 30-46 as a backup last year, 0 TD, 3 INT, 215 yards passing, that's 4.7 YPA and that's playing with a healthy Fitz, sometimes Boldin, and with Breaston and sometimes Doucet. One of those games was the final against GB where we knew he was going to play most of the game and that he presumably got some of the first string reps in practice that week since we all knew Whiz wasn't going to play Warner very long. We also had a better pass blocking OL last year, by far.

Hall in one game went 8-14 82 years so he's now 9-16 85 yards 1 INT on the season that's 5.3 YPA. I don't feel like checking drive by drive how many points we scored with Matt as the backup QB, it wasn't that many. I didn't want Matt to end up dumped like he was but so far Hall has played just as well off the bench as Matt did, and in much worse circumstances, with 3 rookie wr's and a significantly worse pass blocking OL.

I don't have the passer ratings for them both as backups but I'm assuming they're pretty close and Max is higher. Clausen's first start he fumbled 3 times and threw a pick and had 2 others dropped. He nearly beat NO today by not turnign the ball over. I would hope if Hall starts next week he too will be a lot better prepared and play better.

I've said a million times I don't care about stats. Hall's passes were not good. He's the noodle arm K9 said he was. Hall won't beat anybody except the Cardinals.

 

[slanidrac16]

I've said a million times I don't care about stats. Hall's passes were not good. He's the noodle arm K9 said he was. Hall won't beat anybody except the Cardinals.

So be it.

At least we won't head into next season on the hope that Max Hall learned a lot by holding a clip board while we were going 6-10.....6-10 IF we're lucky.

 

[Russ Smith]

I've said a million times I don't care about stats. Hall's passes were not good. He's the noodle arm K9 said he was. Hall won't beat anybody except the Cardinals.

Like that 19 yard bullet over the middle to Williams that Anderson has been consistently missing all season? He doesn't have a great arm but Anderson does and he's horrible. Matt doesn't have a great arm either.

Hall made a couple of mistakes staring down his target and got away with both throws, I didn't see one throw today where the problem was lack of arm strength.I must have missed them, since you don't like stats maybe you can describe the plays where Max's lack of arm strength was so obvious to you?

You said Matt is better than either right handed, well he wasn't better than Hall last year throwing left handed, with better WR's and a better OL, that was the point of my post. In at least 2 games last year Whiz had to pull Matt and go back to Kurt out of fear we were going to lose the game keeping Matt in the game, and he was a seasoned veteran, this was Hall's first action.

Yes at times he looked overwhelmed, Matt never saw a situation last year where the OL was that badly overmatched, it wasn't Hall's fault Keith couldn't and often didn't even try to block Phillips.

 

[Redheart]

Like that 19 yard bullet over the middle to Williams that Anderson has been consistently missing all season?... .

...the announcers on T.V. called it a "laser"...yea, that pass that led to the only offensive scoring drive of the game...

 

[kerouac9]

Like that 19 yard bullet over the middle to Williams that Anderson has been consistently missing all season? He doesn't have a great arm but Anderson does and he's horrible. Matt doesn't have a great arm either.

Hall made a couple of mistakes staring down his target and got away with both throws, I didn't see one throw today where the problem was lack of arm strength.I must have missed them, since you don't like stats maybe you can describe the plays where Max's lack of arm strength was so obvious to you?

You said Matt is better than either right handed, well he wasn't better than Hall last year throwing left handed, with better WR's and a better OL, that was the point of my post. In at least 2 games last year Whiz had to pull Matt and go back to Kurt out of fear we were going to lose the game keeping Matt in the game, and he was a seasoned veteran, this was Hall's first action.

Yes at times he looked overwhelmed, Matt never saw a situation last year where the OL was that badly overmatched, it wasn't Hall's fault Keith couldn't and often didn't even try to block Phillips.

Watch that play again with your Hall goggles off, Russ. That ball limped into his hands. I know the announcers (who were horrible--who doesn't know that Phillip Rivers is good?) said that it was a "laser", but that ball wobbled into his hands.

Right down the middle of the field. We don't know that Max Hall doesn't have a noodle arm because he never threw a pass that flew more than 20 yards through the air.

 

[Duckjake]

...the announcers on T.V. called it a "laser"...yea, that pass that led to the only offensive scoring drive of the game...

One scoring drive for 3 points. Man we've got some great QBs. Sorry I said anything negative. After all the Cards lost by 3 fewer points than they did against the Falcons. We're making progress.

 

[desertdawg]

Are folks really going to bash Hall all week now? He did alright for being straight up thrown in.
If you want to talk smack on a QB, try the one that's sitting on our bench now. Nobody knows, we all have to watch and see how Hall does over the next few games, games we would have lost with DA.

 

[Duckjake]

Are folks really going to bash Hall all week now? He did alright for being straight up thrown in.
If you want to talk smack on a QB, try the one that's sitting on our bench now. Nobody knows, we all have to watch and see how Hall does over the next few games, games we would have lost with DA.

So he's not as bad as the other guy? What a ringing endorsement.

I'm sure he's a great kid but he is not an NFL caliber QB. And don't come back with apparently the coaches think he is because they are the same guys who thought we could win with DA. 9 points a game average on offense the last 3 weeks speaks for itself.

 

[desertdawg]

Nobody knows, we all have to watch and see how Hall does over the next few games, games we would have lost with DA.

Sorry to be so repetitive.

 

[Russ Smith]

Watch that play again with your Hall goggles off, Russ. That ball limped into his hands. I know the announcers (who were horrible--who doesn't know that Phillip Rivers is good?) said that it was a "laser", but that ball wobbled into his hands.

Right down the middle of the field. We don't know that Max Hall doesn't have a noodle arm because he never threw a pass that flew more than 20 yards through the air.

So you're saying he threw that pass from the LOS? He didn't, he was probably 7 yards deep which means it travelled more than 20 yards to get to SW but I won't let facts get in the way of a good red herring.

That ball was not a wobbler or "limping" it was a dart right to Williams. Now DA can throw that ball there harder but where has that been getting us, it usually doesn't get to the WR.

And we both know the reason we weren't throwing downfield today is we couldn't, the QB was sacked too quickly.

 

[Russ Smith]

One scoring drive for 3 points. Man we've got some great QBs. Sorry I said anything negative. After all the Cards lost by 3 fewer points than they did against the Falcons. We're making progress.

That's not what you said, you said Matt was better "right handed" than any QB we played today. That's completely untrue, he wasn't better than that last year. Nobody is saying Hall played great, just that you're completely overstating your case so you can say K9 and I told you so.

If I were the coach Matt would probably be the QB, I like Matt, but it's clear Whiz didn't think the team believed in him and I would guess the lack of points he produced last year in MUCH more favorable situations had something to do with that.

 

[Derm]

I've said a million times I don't care about stats. Hall's passes were not good. He's the noodle arm K9 said he was. Hall won't beat anybody except the Cardinals.

"NOODLE ARM"?

 

[kerouac9]

So you're saying he threw that pass from the LOS? He didn't, he was probably 7 yards deep which means it travelled more than 20 yards to get to SW but I won't let facts get in the way of a good red herring.

That ball was not a wobbler or "limping" it was a dart right to Williams. Now DA can throw that ball there harder but where has that been getting us, it usually doesn't get to the WR.

And we both know the reason we weren't throwing downfield today is we couldn't, the QB was sacked too quickly.

Don't take my word for it, Russ. My wife, who had no stake in anything other than knowing that Derek Anderson sucks, scoffed at the announcers calling that a laser and commented first that the ball wasn't even a spiral.

Max Hall displayed sub-Kurt Warner velocity on everything but the eight-yard pass to Jim Dray (aka my boy).

 

[MrYeahBut]

Don't take my word for it, Russ. My wife, who had no stake in anything other than knowing that Derek Anderson sucks, scoffed at the announcers calling that a laser and commented first that the ball wasn't even a spiral.

Max Hall displayed sub-Kurt Warner velocity on everything but the eight-yard pass to Jim Dray (aka my boy).

Wasn't that his first NFL catch too??? A wobbly duck, but it got there and he caught it

 

[Russ Smith]

Don't take my word for it, Russ. My wife, who had no stake in anything other than knowing that Derek Anderson sucks, scoffed at the announcers calling that a laser and commented first that the ball wasn't even a spiral.

Max Hall displayed sub-Kurt Warner velocity on everything but the eight-yard pass to Jim Dray (aka my boy).

We're going to have to agree to disagree that was a good throw with NFL velocity on target right where it had to be.

 

[CaptTurbo]

If you think Hall has less arm strength than Warner you clearly have not watched a cardinals game in several years.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

That throw you guys are talking about was an ok throw. It wasn't a Favre laser, but it got there with some velocity.

Hall doesn't have an arm though. He just doesn't.

 

[Redheart]

I hope to see Hall with a full week of work as the number 1.

I thought he looked OK for coming off the bench into a blitz-fest; down 4 scores.

 

[blindseyed]

It's a pretty far fall and sad when people are excited about having Hall come in to play...we were in the SB 2 years ago and now we're talking about having a terrible QB being replaced by a less terrible QB

 

[Goldfield]

It's a pretty far fall and sad when people are excited about having Hall come in to play...we were in the SB 2 years ago and now we're talking about having a terrible QB being replaced by a less terrible QB

I don't understand how anyone can say if hall is NFL caliber or not he has done pretty good for what he has been given to work with.
I don't want him to start vs saints. But I would get him ready to start after the bye.

 

[Duckjake]

It's a pretty far fall and sad when people are excited about having Hall come in to play...we were in the SB 2 years ago and now we're talking about having a terrible QB being replaced by a less terrible QB

And that people are excited about one throw out of 14.

I'll look again today on NFL rewind but from what I saw yesterday the kid just doesn't have the natural ability to be a top NFL QB. Not his fault and I'm sure he is a wonderful person.

 

[john h]

It is official for me.

DA is a dead end; even if he improves all season long. The deal-breaker is accuracy; a capacity that is almost impossible to gain, you can improve slightly, but you either have it or you don't; clearly DA is not improving in any big steps, if at all.

Max Hall is too promissing not to find out; there is just something about that little bantum rooster that says he may be the real deal, smart, fast, accurate, fast release, anticipates well; a "level-above" type QB that could hold his own with the likes of Sam Bradford.

I would hate to loose this opportunity in this "transition-season", to rub the rookie-edges off of Max; while we I sadly believe, waste snaps on DA who has limited upside.

Check it out. As DA plays, Max Hall stands at the edge of field, so very close to the sideline, with his helmut on, chin strap fully buckled, staring intently out at the field at the offense and the defence while he read his wrist-band listening to the play call and sucking up learning.

Max is an intense type-A; good QB material. Matt was NEVER like that.

Hall looked like what he is in the San Diego game. That is a rookie. He is no where near ready to run an NFL team. We have no QB on this team who is ready to run an NFL team. As bad as Anderson is it is better that he start than Hall as we do not want to destroy any confidence this young man may have. Perhaps we need to do what the Eagles may do and that is go out and sign someone like Garcia. The Eagle like us left no room for an injury to Vick and now have no QB it seems. Any team with any sense has a backup QB that has played in the NFL. Where it was Whiz or Green or whoever that made the QB decisions should be called to task. Personally I never have liked our GM. Our number one pick last year has been sent down due to his poor play and weight problem.