Who should we have drafted instead of Andre Roberts at 88???

[Linderbee]

Big was like 10 years ago now. We drafted Antrel Rolle the year before we drafted #7. He was a need pick because we had almost literally no cornerbacks on the roster that offseason.

Yeah, I knew that didn't sound right (I told you I don't keep track like you guys do) so I looked it up & corrected myself.

I really feel bad about the thread hijack, but I like Roberts.

 

[Jersey Girl]

Don't think that you can necessarily judge a 3rd round pick by his rookie year. Especially one out of the Citadel. It's really not fair to compare him to a player out of the TE factory that is the U.

We needed immediate help at PR, which Jacoby Ford doesn't do. We would be better off revisiting this question next year.

I agree, K9. I didn't like the pick at the third position considering what we had at WR. And I really didn't like Roberts in camp or 3/4 of the way through the season returning punts. And, I wonder how much of his success late in the season was that he practiced more with the second and third QB rather than the first (which, I guess, really doesn't matter since we had a major QB shuffle anyway). But, depending on what happens in the coming year, the pick might be viewed as a pretty good one.

My question is who should we have drafted instead of Matt Leinart? We never REALLY used him; who else was available that we could have taken instead? I have no clue; I don't follow the drafts like you guys do.

was there anbody people wanted other than Levi Brown? I can't remember who were the other options available.

Stop. You're killing me.

 

[Duckjake]

My question is who should we have drafted instead of Matt Leinart? We never REALLY used him; who else was available that we could have taken instead? I have no clue; I don't follow the drafts like you guys do.

Until last year that simply wasn't true. What happened was Matt's rookie season the team imploded after the Bears game playing the 3 worst games of the Denny Green era but rebounded and finished 4-3 and Matt was looking good.

But that still led to the coaching change and then Leinart got hurt. Warner then proceeded to throw for 2,362 yards and 21 TDs in the last 8 games with the Cards going 5-3. (for a full season that is 4,700 yards and 42 TDs!!!) There was no way Matt was getting the starting job back after that and of course we know what transpired in '08 and '09.

What inquiring minds want to know is what happened that was so terrible that the team simply let Leinart go after Warner retired without Matt ever having played a live game. I imagine after the statute of limitations runs out Somers or someone will let us know what really happened.

 

[juza76]

considering the other 3 rounds players they pick in the previous draft he was one of the better choices

 

[AzStevenCal]

I've been trying to think of someone ALL DAY and nobody comes to mind.

4/5. Keep running through all the names, someone will burst out.

Steve

 

[WildBB]

What inquiring minds want to know is what happened that was so terrible that the team simply let Leinart go after Warner retired without Matt ever having played a live game. I imagine after the statute of limitations runs out Somers or someone will let us know what really happened.

$$$$$$$$$$ saved (some 20+ million under cap). A Dockett reworked contract.

Pretty much it.

 

[Shane]

$$$$$$$$$$ saved (some 20+ million under cap). A Dockett reworked contract.

Pretty much it.

Umm there was no salary cap last year.

 

[WildBB]

Umm there was no salary cap last year.

Oops your right. They were like 20+ million under what they were the previous yr. in an uncapped yr.

 

[Duckjake]

$$$$$$$$$$ saved (some 20+ million under cap). A Dockett reworked contract.

Pretty much it.

Can't be. The Cards paid Dereck Anderson more than they would have had to pay Leinart. Matt's big money wouldn't come due until this season.

The Arizona Cardinals and former Cleveland Browns quarterback Derek Anderson have agreed to a two-year contract worth $7.25 million, a source told ESPN.com Wednesday.


The source said the deal includes $3.25 million guaranteed, and with incentives would max out at $18.25 million.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5003121

The Cards don't have to pay Leinart's $2.485 million salary this year,

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/car...4/20100904arizona-cardinals-matt-leinart.html

 

[Duckjake]

Hindsight is 20-20. Just pick anyonme that made it big in the third before Roberts and you all would be great draft guru's. I like Roberts and think he will do well for a 3rd. He was coming on last year.

GBR
40

I would have traded up in the 3rd round and grabbed McCoy instead of the 5th getting Skelator.

Then we would have won our 3rd straight NFC West Championship.

 

[Gee!]

I still think Stephen Williams is gonna be a bad ass..

 

[Brian]

who did we draft the year before?

edit: Antron???

I don't wanna give up Antron...he was great while he lasted...although for Aaron Rodgers I guess I could live with that.

You are not my sister.

 

[AZCARDSFANATIC]

What inquiring minds want to know is what happened that was so terrible that the team simply let Leinart go after Warner retired without Matt ever having played a live game. I imagine after the statute of limitations runs out Somers or someone will let us know what really happened.[/quote]


Well here's a little tidbit most people ignore. Why wasn't Wis given the headcoaching job after Cowher? Well what some know, especially Steeler fans, is that Wis and Big Ben did not like each other and the Rooney's kept Ben over Ken, probably chapped his hide a bit. Matt and Ben are a bit alike in personality so Wis, shipped off Leinhart when he felt he could without looking like it was personal(OOPS). In turn he threw this team under the bus last season.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

What inquiring minds want to know is what happened that was so terrible that the team simply let Leinart go after Warner retired without Matt ever having played a live game. I imagine after the statute of limitations runs out Somers or someone will let us know what really happened.

Well here's a little tidbit most people ignore. Why wasn't Wis given the headcoaching job after Cowher? Well what some know, especially Steeler fans, is that Wis and Big Ben did not like each other and the Rooney's kept Ben over Ken, probably chapped his hide a bit. Matt and Ben are a bit alike in personality so Wis, shipped off Leinhart when he felt he could without looking like it was personal(OOPS). In turn he threw this team under the bus last season.[/QUOTE]

Now Smel, you know you can be banned for multiple accounts, right?

 

[WarnerHOF]

I've been trying to think of someone ALL DAY and nobody comes to mind.

Damn, 3 players of 10 chosen after Brown are already looking like future hall of famers.

 

[dogpoo32]

Moral of the story is that the Cards will pick the wrong player 9 times out of 10. We're due dammit.

 

[THESMEL]

Everson Griffin as I said before after and since. The Vikes got Cook and Griffin as I suggested the Cards do pre-draft.

Makes me sick, top 20 prospect at OLB and Whiz and Graves pass and draft AR. pick up broken schoefield if you want but get the damn blue chip when available, move up for skelton and Dwash,

what the hell with Dray and Calvin? These guys couldn't get a college team together.

 

[AZCARDSFANATIC]

Hindsight is 20-20. Just pick anyonme that made it big in the third before Roberts and you all would be great draft guru's. I like Roberts and think he will do well for a 3rd. He was coming on last year.

GBR
40

I understand that this is hindsight, but honestly how many of you were scratching your heads when we picked him? His grade was a late 5th 6th rounder possible RFA, we grabbed him in the 3rd when allot of talent was still there. I do not feel he is a bust or any of the sort, but taking him in the 3rd when we could have possibly gotten him later makes this a very suspect draft. Honestly if not for D washington the rookies were not all taht good last year. I was impressed by Roberts progress throughout the season, but the imagine if we had taken some of the others listed.

 

[AZCARDSFANATIC]

Well here's a little tidbit most people ignore. Why wasn't Wis given the headcoaching job after Cowher? Well what some know, especially Steeler fans, is that Wis and Big Ben did not like each other and the Rooney's kept Ben over Ken, probably chapped his hide a bit. Matt and Ben are a bit alike in personality so Wis, shipped off Leinhart when he felt he could without looking like it was personal(OOPS). In turn he threw this team under the bus last season.

Now Smel, you know you can be banned for multiple accounts, right?[/quote]

Hmm this is vexing apaprently someone else has my handle or I theirs.

 

[AZCARDSFANATIC]

I still think Stephen Williams is gonna be a bad ass..

No one knew who Steve Johnson was in Buffalo until this year, he just needed some seasoning and a decent QB. I think Williams will be a name we and the nation know in three, just hope he is still here.

 

[CardLogic]

What inquiring minds want to know is what happened that was so terrible that the team simply let Leinart go after Warner retired without Matt ever having played a live game. I imagine after the statute of limitations runs out Somers or someone will let us know what really happened.

This sentiment I agree with.

This however:

Well here's a little tidbit most people ignore. Why wasn't Wis given the headcoaching job after Cowher? Well what some know, especially Steeler fans, is that Wis and Big Ben did not like each other and the Rooney's kept Ben over Ken, probably chapped his hide a bit. Matt and Ben are a bit alike in personality so Wis, shipped off Leinhart when he felt he could without looking like it was personal(OOPS). In turn he threw this team under the bus last season.

I challenge you to exhibit any factual information that indicates that the Steelers had already decided to pass on Ken Whisenhunt prior to him taking the Cardinals job.

 

[AZCARDSFANATIC]

This sentiment I agree with.

This however:
I challenge you to exhibit any factual information that indicates that the Steelers had already decided to pass on Ken Whisenhunt prior to him taking the Cardinals job.

Crud I can't post the link but in an article on 01-27-09 addresses this issue the lines. Bickley wrote it, read what isn't printed.

 

[CardLogic]

Crud I can't post the link but in an article on 01-27-09 addresses this issue the lines. Bickley wrote it, read what isn't printed.

For starters, Bickley is full of crap; not specifically related to just this topic but in general. Secondly, he offers opinions more often than facts.

Third, I prefer to read what is printed; it's easier on my eyes...

Bottom line: It gets repeated over and over again that the Steelers had decided upon Tomlin, instead of either Whisenhunt or Grimm, prior to Whisenhunt accepting the Cardinals job. The fact is that has never been verified.

The prevailing opinion at the time was that factors outside of the Steelers organization suggested that since the Rooney's name was attached to the league's minority hiring rule they needed to widen their search for a head coach beyond Whisenhunt and Grimm, which were the initial two candidates considered.

After the Steelers widened their search to include Tomlin, Whisenhunt decided to accept the Cardinals offer which had already been made. At that moment it was not known which way the Steelers organization was leaning. Following this the Steelers job was thought to be going to Grimm, some rumors even stated that he had been offered the job, but it was then rescinded.

None of this is any reflection on Tomlin, whom at this point appears to be an excellent coach for the Steelers. But the point remains, Tomlin was a late entry into the Steelers process for hiring a new head coach.

So I get tired of hearing how Whisenhunt lost out to Tomlin or was no longer in the running for the Steelers HC job. Whisenhunt was still very much under consideration for the Steelers job when he accepted the Cardinals offer.

 

[THESMEL]

yep

It aint just me thwe whole world knows that Matt leinart was not the problem with the 2010 Cradinals, He is the missing piece that kept the Cardinals from their 3rd NFCW title.

Whisenhunt is an idiot, I was just saying then what the football world is saying now. Who did I bet that Matt would start next time they play?

I forgot the bet already? something about if Matt doesn't start, I do a pushup per point for whomever the stupid Graves and Whiz starts.

If Matt starts they do a pushup per point that Matty produces the first game.

Now Smel, you know you can be banned for multiple accounts, right?

Hmm this is vexing apaprently someone else has my handle or I theirs.[/quote]

 

[joeshmo]

I understand that this is hindsight, but honestly how many of you were scratching your heads when we picked him? His grade was a late 5th 6th rounder possible RFA, we grabbed him in the 3rd when allot of talent was still there. I do not feel he is a bust or any of the sort, but taking him in the 3rd when we could have possibly gotten him later makes this a very suspect draft.

Maybe in your own head he was graded out as a 5th, 6th, or UDFA. Thehuddlereport ranked him at 81, CBS sports aka NFLDRAFTSCOUT ranked him as a 3-4 rounder, I can go on and on.

We could have possibly got him later? Key word here is possibly, but after the buzz the kid was creating at the senior bowl and his workouts, he "POSSIBLY" wouldnt be there.

I just dont understand what so ever how we can play the hindsight game after only one season. Its laughable at best.