Who should we move on from?

[leclerc]

Well, I think on the right team he still has a lot of value. I don't have a problem trading him if the return is decent, but I don't see the point in getting rid of him just to get rid of him.

With Royce and Beal, I think Allen is redundant, and could be a chip to get us some size and athleticism.

 

[95pro]

With Royce and Beal, I think Allen is redundant, and could be a chip to get us some size and athleticism.

I think it’s between Royce and Martin. Allen is free to leave.

 

[95pro]

I didn’t choose Richards, that boy is one mean muthatrucker

 

[Germz249]

Let me guess, he'd duck out before the check arrives at the Waffle House or was he the sort of guy who always "forgot" his wallet?

Always! That or he has to leave for an emergency..

 

[Proximo]

With Royce and Beal, I think Allen is redundant, and could be a chip to get us some size and athleticism.

I think Beal is gone for sure, and I would much rather keep Allen over Royce, but I am ok if all 3 go as long as it gets us younger assets.

 

[Superbone]

I think Beal is gone for sure, and I would much rather keep Allen over Royce, but I am ok if all 3 go as long as it gets us younger assets.

I think I would go the other way. Allen is more consistent shooting the 3 but Royce is better defensively and defense was our weakest suit. I guess it depends on who else we bring in. If we have a lot of rangy defenders then sure, keep Allen.

 

[BirdGangThing]

toughness - that's what we should keep - that's what the league is getting back to - greyson is plenty tough as is oneale - id keep either or both as they are not the issue - they're not max players eating up the newly defined pie and they're not minimum wage for a reason - we have them both signed for awhile

toughness - the gauchos showed toughness and richards showed toughness - aside from dunn i don't think any of them are starters as is but does that matter? if we're not going anywhere in the immediate future? maybe we should tend the crops for a couple seasons because we got ripped off at the market

cody martin - keep him - one year left let's see what his toughness provides

when kd and beal are gone we'll still have devin booker - devin booker is not tough but he isn't weak - he's not jag but he's not a max player

only true starters i think we're keeping is book and dunn - greyson or (not and) oneale could be a starter but it would have to stay that way - no more musical chairs - bud destroyed us with that bull ish

so book and dunn and i'd say greyson - more consistent from 3 and can penetrate/dish - richards might get the start tho as centers are becoming high commodities again

bench im looking at gillespie - martin - oneale and oso (so far)

 

[95pro]

I think I would go the other way. Allen is more consistent shooting the 3 but Royce is better defensively and defense was our weakest suit. I guess it depends on who else we bring in. If we have a lot of rangy defenders then sure, keep Allen.

Allen is pretty bad defensively compared to Oneale. Allen used to be a dirt worker until we paid him. O'neale is slightly better rebounder. Very comparable stats, but O'neale is also cheaper.

 

[Proximo]

Allen is pretty bad defensively compared to Oneale. Allen used to be a dirt worker until we paid him. O'neale is slightly better rebounder. Very comparable stats, but O'neale is also cheaper.

O'neal has zero ability to break down the D by driving or creating his own shot. Allen's not great at it, but he is 5 times better at it than O'neal.

Whatever, I'm fine with them both going, I want younger players.

 

[Phrazbit]

I think Beal is gone for sure, and I would much rather keep Allen over Royce, but I am ok if all 3 go as long as it gets us younger assets.

Royce is better and cheaper than Allen. The offensive gap is slight and the defensive gap is enormous.

 

[Phrazbit]

Allen is pretty bad defensively compared to Oneale. Allen used to be a dirt worker until we paid him. O'neale is slightly better rebounder. Very comparable stats, but O'neale is also cheaper.

Allen has always been a cupcake who just camps out at the 3 point line and plays "o'lay"! defense. The "hard nosed" rep he had was only because of the cheap shots he used to dish out, but it wasn't toughness, it was tantrums.

At least he put those behind him.

He is good 3pt shooter but one that needs to be left open for him to want to pull the trigger, he doesn't really do much of anything else well.

 

[Mainstreet]

O'Neale and Allen are overpaid in years and salary for what they bring to the table.

I'm not attached to either. Both can go if it helps to get the Suns below the second tax apron.

Royce will be 32 in June and Allen 30 in October.

 

[95pro]

Allen has always been a cupcake who just camps out at the 3 point line and plays "o'lay"! defense. The "hard nosed" rep he had was only because of the cheap shots he used to dish out, but it wasn't toughness, it was tantrums.

At least he put those behind him.

He is good 3pt shooter but one that needs to be left open for him to want to pull the trigger, he doesn't really do much of anything else well.

I’m for keeping the proven defender, Oneale in this case.

 

[clyde2tw]

I was perplexed indeed when they signed GAllen and RO to their contracts. Seeing how Trent and Beasley etc. went for the min in FA, I thought 70-80% of the number wouldve been about right. Trent at min is about the same if not better as Allen the past season. And without RO we might have had a chance at the french PF who went to 76s.

 

[Hoop Head]

I was perplexed indeed when they signed GAllen and RO to their contracts. Seeing how Trent and Beasley etc. went for the min in FA, I thought 70-80% of the number wouldve been about right. Trent at min is about the same if not better as Allen the past season. And without RO we might have had a chance at the french PF who went to 76s.

Royce's deal made sense in terms of dollars per year because he wasn't re-signing here at a discount. What didn't make was the deal being fully guaranteed. Team options or non guaranteed money in the last 1-2 years would have made it a better contract for trade bait.

Grayson was overpaid and underperformed this year. No two ways about that. He was rarely healthy and even less impactful.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I was perplexed indeed when they signed GAllen and RO to their contracts. Seeing how Trent and Beasley etc. went for the min in FA, I thought 70-80% of the number wouldve been about right. Trent at min is about the same if not better as Allen the past season. And without RO we might have had a chance at the french PF who went to 76s.

I think we all assumed they were inflated for potential trade purposes. That may have even been the strategy but the fact pattern never played out where they could leverage those contracts.