Who will be our #2 corner...

[Proximo]

Honey Badger can cover anyone. He plays with such superior leverage and technique that he keeps himself in perfect position to make plays on the ball. And even if he gets out jumped on 50/50 balls, he is outstanding at striping the ball on the way down.

I just don't agree, but even if true they aren't going to move him from the spot where he is most effective. If he is wearing that brace again the point is moot. His mobility was seriously compromised, and he could not beat out Harlen Miller if his movement is like that again.

 

[GoldGloveschmidt]

I just don't agree, but even if true they aren't going to move him from the spot where he is most effective. If he is wearing that brace again the point is moot. His mobility was seriously compromised, and he could not beat out Harlen Miller if his movement is like that again.

PFF is not the end-all-be-all, but they have consistently rated Honey Badger as one of the top coverage guys in the league, better than PP even. The challenge for coaching is to utilize his ability as a top coverage guy while also allowing him to make plays all over the field, which he's also great at. I't s balancing act. But if he was playing strictly CB, I think he would be the best in the league at that position.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro-pffs-best-coverage-defender-award-luke-kuechly-no-1/

Second runner-up
Tyrann Mathieu, DB, Arizona Cardinals

Just as offenses in the NFL have X-factor players that can line up in multiple spots and cause matchup problems on the defense, the Arizona Cardinals have Tyrann Mathieu, who can do exactly the same in reverse. Mathieu can line up as a safety, cornerback, or linebacker, and cover whomever the Cardinals need him to—and do it well. He is one of the league’s most versatile coverage weapons, and was a huge part of Arizona’s success over the season.

Third runner-up
Patrick Peterson, CB, Arizona Cardinals

Patrick Peterson had arguably the best season of his career, and put himself right back in the elite defensive back debate. As a player tasked with covering an offense’s top receiver and moving around on defense, Peterson allowed just 47.7 percent of passes thrown his way to be caught, the best mark of his career, and second-best in the NFL.

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[Proximo]

I am well aware of the pff rankings, but I'm sorry what Patrick Peterson and mathieu are doing on the field are just drastically different. Playing man on an island against a teams best receiver, and playing off coverage in the middle of the field are just different.

Look, I don't think Patrick would do nearly as good of job as tyrann if he switched roles with him either. Mathieu's strengths are instinct, and change of direction quickness, so making him a rover plays to his strengths.

The badger would get smoked if asked to play jam coverage, because he is too small and to slow. Remember he ran in the 4.6 40 range, he would get beat on deep balls constantly.

 

[GuernseyCard]

Until we hear differently it is, as it has always been, Bethel's job to lose.

 

[az jam]

From today's practice. Got the experience.
Darren Urban ‏@Cardschatter
CB Mike Jenkins, whom Arians praised recently, nicely breaks up what looks like an on-target bomb from Palmer to Nelson. #CardsCamp

 

[Jetstream Green]

From today's practice. Got the experience.
Darren Urban ‏@Cardschatter
CB Mike Jenkins, whom Arians praised recently, nicely breaks up what looks like an on-target bomb from Palmer to Nelson. #CardsCamp

Like I said, I think he will be the #2 corner by default because it is not Bethel's job to lose after Arians said it is William's job to lose and the youngster at this time will have a hard time keeping off the vet

Using TM at the #2 corner leaves the Cards with no one who is capable of covering a tight end. He's going to be most effective when he can move around and creates havoc. My biggest concern is that if PP or TM gets hurt the Cards are hopeless. I'm still stunned they didn't sign a decent vet corner and a vet tackle when they were available. The O-line lack of depth is stunning. You can't go with only one decent backup to cover 5 positions. As to Bethel I still think he has a chance to be a decent corner. He progressed nicely last season but this injury is costing him valuable learning time. I'm not trying to say give up on Williams, but he's very raw. CB is the second hardest job to learn. Super Bowl contenders are rarely engaged in on-the-job training at key defensive spots. The Cards messed up not signing Freeney. Let's hope they find a place to trade a running back or draft choice to improve depth. They've gotten me worried.

Is Cro healthy and do we have the cap space to give him an offer he will accept or are we going to be stubborn and hope the gamble with unproven youth pays off... I say you make moves now and not wait till the options taper off or you roll with Jenkins

 

[Reign Blood]

Like I said, I think he will be the #2 corner by default because it is not Bethel's job to lose after Arians said it is William's job to lose and the youngster at this time will have a hard time keeping off the vet


Is Cro healthy and do we have the cap space to give him an offer he will accept or are we going to be stubborn and hope the gamble with unproven youth pays off... I say you make moves now and not wait till the options taper off or you roll with Jenkins

I'm totally torn with most of everyone. Part of me thinks how this team started with a weak O-Line and a team that played the FA market with nice pieces built to stop the run and let the secondary make it's name.

Then this preseason...I'm caught between getting used to having to make an early mark as opposed to trusting Kiem and BA.

"Jesus take the Wheel" with me right now, we haven't even been in the regular season yet and most of us me included has hit the panick buttons. Yes, I hope Jenkins works out too. I like your posts btw.

 

[Buckybird]

Like I said, I think he will be the #2 corner by default because it is not Bethel's job to lose after Arians said it is William's job to lose and the youngster at this time will have a hard time keeping off the vet


Is Cro healthy and do we have the cap space to give him an offer he will accept or are we going to be stubborn and hope the gamble with unproven youth pays off... I say you make moves now and not wait till the options taper off or you roll with Jenkins

Jet I've liked Jenkins as well. He was a pretty solid M2M CB with the Cowpies until they drafted Claiborne & injuries took over.

 

[DVontel]

Going to be extremely concerned if either Jenkins or Williams is the starting CB2. I'd be okay with Bethel.

 

[Jetstream Green]

Until we hear differently it is, as it has always been, Bethel's job to lose.

We did when Arians said it was Williams to lose once Bethel was injured... so there, and probably with his inexperience it means the spot is wide open and I am banking on Jenkins lol

 

[Garthshort]

If SK makes a late trade for a CB or even a WW pick up, we'll know how worried we should be. But even if BW or JB are our #2, we can probably Game Plan around it. And I do have my fingers crossed.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Whomever starts at the #2 CB position will be unmercifully roasted on this board. Doesn't matter who it is.

Powers sucked according to this board.
Williams sucks according to this board.
Bethel sucks according to this board.
and when Michael Jenkins gets a chance out there, it will be said that he sucks.

Taking Tyrann Mathieu, who was in the conversation for defensive player of the year last year, and taking him out of his role would be utter madness.

I am more than confident with Williams, Jenkins or Bethel. They are going to play as well as Powers did, and that was one of, if not the, best defenses in the league last year.

Trade ? for who? Someone we give too much up to get, just so we have another name to add to the "_______ sucks as the #2 CB" ?

Free agent ? Who is available right now ?

No NFL team can field pro bowlers at every position. Look around the NFL. Panthers are starting two rookies, the Seahawks have Jeremy Lane as their #2, and I could go on.

I have no problem with the want to have the best team you can field, but the expectations have to be realistic.

 

[GuernseyCard]

We did when Arians said it was Williams to lose once Bethel was injured... so there, and probably with his inexperience it means the spot is wide open and I am banking on Jenkins lol

I took that as a "get your butt on the field" quote.

For one, I'll be quite surprised, given how the issue was dealt with in the off-season, that Bethel isn't CB#2 come September.

 

[blindseyed]

Well does any other team have 2 stud CBs like PP21? Being serious I don't know but I'm assuming not many teams do so I believe they will get creative with Tyrann and gotta just go with what coach decides

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Well does any other team have 2 stud CBs like PP21? Being serious I don't know but I'm assuming not many teams do so I believe they will get creative with Tyrann and gotta just go with what coach decides

That is a good question.

The Broncos may have that in Harris, and Talib. That is the only pair of CBs, off the top of my head, that I can think of.

The Giants have a promising pair in DRC and Janoris Jenkins.

and, call me crazy, the Cardinals secondary is pretty damn good if you ask me.

 

[BigRedRage]

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[b8rtm8nn]

Yep - it sure sounds like BA is thinking Bethel will win back the starting job if you listen to his conference today.

 

[Bodha]

Im a little disillusioned by the aire of relief and confidence that Bethel will be the starter.

Its like last I remember, even a healthy Bethel isn't the best CB in the world. Definitely concerned.

 

[b8rtm8nn]

Well, unless Mike Jenkins suddenly turns in Revis - it's likely Bethel with Jenkins and Williams in relief. Not a bad plan.

 

[TJ]

Well does any other team have 2 stud CBs like PP21? Being serious I don't know but I'm assuming not many teams do so I believe they will get creative with Tyrann and gotta just go with what coach decides

Talib and Harris Jr. are a very formidable duo.

Other than that, every "shutdown" corner has an average to subaverage corner on the other side.

 

[BigRedRage]

Im a little disillusioned by the aire of relief and confidence that Bethel will be the starter.

Its like last I remember, even a healthy Bethel isn't the best CB in the world. Definitely concerned.

He is more than servicable and had only started 4 games so far in his career. I am far mroe confident in him than the rookie.

The only air of relief is because of all the people claiming williams would take Bethels job after 4 practices when many of us knew it was just that, practices.

 

[Bodha]

He is more than servicable and had only started 4 games so far in his career. I am far mroe confident in him than the rookie.

The only air of relief is because of all the people claiming williams would take Bethels job after 4 practices when many of us knew it was just that, practices.

Just because hes better than BW doesn't mean hes a great corner. Its the difference between a D+ guy and C+ guy.

Im worried. But not much we can do at this point. No good corners left on the market. We might have to double team the #2 WR alot

 

[BigRedRage]

Just because hes better than BW doesn't mean hes a great corner. Its the difference between a D+ guy and C+ guy.

Im worried. But not much we can do at this point. No good corners left on the market. We might have to double team the #2 WR alot

I dont believe anyone has ever said he was great just yet. Like I said, the only air of relief is from people saying its only camp yet being told over and over that Johnson was taking the starting job because he looked good in practice.

IMO Bethel will be fine and is our best option at corner and the m,roe reps he gets, the better he will be. Dude is a freak athletically, its just a matter of learning the position more.

 

[Garthshort]

SD had some good CB's.

 

[Bodha]

Dude is a freak athletically, its just a matter of learning the position more.

moreso can be said about BW

pass rush will help. hopefully nkemdiche brings some heat