Why did we trade for J-Rich?

[Chaplin]

So your point is that the trade should be evaluated according to what happens over the next six weeks instead of what happens over the next three years, right?

No, he's saying that trades should be made with the assumption that your star player will be sidelined 2 months later. Simple.

 

[elindholm]

No, he's saying that trades should be made with the assumption that your star player will be sidelined 2 months later. Simple.

Doh, I'm such an idiot. Thanks for setting me straight.

 

[Ninjafish]

Raja hadn't defended Kobe well in 2 years. What planet have you been on?

That's funny because Raja's defense on Kobe was the primary reason the Bobcats beat the Lakers in their last game. He caused Kobe to foul out, so he wasn't in the game for the double overtime.

 

[binkar]

What you apparently failed to comprehend is that the comment was made that AFTER the loss of amare, diaw became more valuable than JRich over Raja. Dudley looks like filler to me, but who knows maybe he's the next grant hill. If amare doesnt go down, I'd say the trade was an overall improvement, but he did go down, again. "Not too bright" is someone who doesnt realize that playing in the NBA with no size is much more of a problem than a downgrade at SG. The comment was made tonight that with shaq sitting the suns were the smallest team in the NBA. A suns fans hould know this with all the little front court players that have toiled in phx over the last 20 years.

It was never stated that "right now" and ONLY right now the trade is hurting us or I would have agreed with the statement. Obviously the trade is hurting us during this time when Amare is out and we would be better off having Diaw to step in. My argument is that this trade can't be judged in it's entirety by the 8 weeks Amare will be out doing so would make a person "not too bright".

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

That's funny because Raja's defense on Kobe was the primary reason the Bobcats beat the Lakers in their last game. He caused Kobe to foul out, so he wasn't in the game for the double overtime.

A) The first part of your statement does not relate to the second part.

B) Raja has never caused anyone to foul out. He goes to the line like once every 4 games!

C) LMAO!

 

[binkar]

I didn't watch the Suns/Lakers game, but I see that Kobe shot 10 of 13 for 22 points. Man, it sure would be nice if we had someone to defend against him. (Hint hint)

In the last two years Kobe has had games of 38,30,41,31,34,39,45,31, and 34 points against us. Let's not act like Raja was a lock down defender on him. Did he make him work hard for his points and frustrate him at times? Maybe. But never did he shut him down.

 

[nowagimp]

In the last two years Kobe has had games of 38,30,41,31,34,39,45,31, and 34 points against us. Let's not act like Raja was a lock down defender on him. Did he make him work hard for his points and frustrate him at times? Maybe. But never did he shut him down.

Nobody shuts kobe down, but a simplistic pts analysis doesnt mean much. If kobe needs 30 shots to get 34 pts and works hard. well then thats good defense on a guy like kobe. Kobe didnt even need to work too hard for the lakers to beat the suns, there was plenty of damage from his supporting cast.

 

[nowagimp]

It was never stated that "right now" and ONLY right now the trade is hurting us or I would have agreed with the statement. Obviously the trade is hurting us during this time when Amare is out and we would be better off having Diaw to step in. My argument is that this trade can't be judged in it's entirety by the 8 weeks Amare will be out doing so would make a person "not too bright".

Good thing you werent taking a reading test because:

"Look, I like J-Rich just fine. But this trade was an obvious mistake in hindsight."

And then there was:

"The only reason to not have traded for Richardson is if we end up trading Amare. If you keep Amare, you were wasting Diaw"

and then there was this:

"I admit the suns couldnt find a way to utilize Diaws talents that was worth 9M per, .... except perhaps now after amare went down. That JRich trade made the suns weaker up front, alot weaker. I like JRich, but the suns needed a big in return for Diaw given Robin Lopez status as a poor mans greg ostertag. "

If you were trying to follow the ongoing discussion in this thread, you
FAILED miserably.

There you go as long as youy can read the bolded statements.

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

So you're saying if Amare didn't have a detached retina, you would have never started your silly rant in the first place?

 

[binkar]

Good thing you werent taking a reading test because:

"Look, I like J-Rich just fine. But this trade was an obvious mistake in hindsight."

And then there was:

"The only reason to not have traded for Richardson is if we end up trading Amare. If you keep Amare, you were wasting Diaw"

and then there was this:

"I admit the suns couldnt find a way to utilize Diaws talents that was worth 9M per, .... except perhaps now after amare went down. That JRich trade made the suns weaker up front, alot weaker. I like JRich, but the suns needed a big in return for Diaw given Robin Lopez status as a poor mans greg ostertag. "

If you were trying to follow the ongoing discussion in this thread, you
FAILED miserably.

There you go as long as youy can read the bolded statements.

Haha bless your heart. You still don't understand what I am saying. I am not referring to the trade in "hindsight". There are other seasons and other basketball to be played beyond this season. Not just the games before Amare was hurt and the games during Amare being hurt, but also the games to be played when Amare returns! So I am looking at the big picture, not just the games we had J-Rich before Amare's injury or while he is out, but also after he returns.

In regards to your second 2 posts you attached, those are moot arguments until a deal would actually be finalized for Amare. The Suns hopefully wouldn't trade Amare with out receiving some solid bigs coming to us. You can't complain about the handicaps the J Rich trade caused us as a result of an Amare trade before an Amare trade even happens. You have no idea what the roster will look like at that point.

Are you following me?

Also, I am trying to read and understand the bold statements like you requested but I am having a hard time understanding the word "youy". Could you please define that for me? I am just playing man, no need to get all upset and personal.

 

[Ninjafish]

A) The first part of your statement does not relate to the second part.

B) Raja has never caused anyone to foul out. He goes to the line like once every 4 games!

C) LMAO!

Is this a real post? Or are you just some kind of trolling joke poster?

 

[Covert Rain]

No, he's saying that trades should be made with the assumption that your star player will be sidelined 2 months later. Simple.

The Diaw/Bell lovfest is so freaking unfounded and laughable....even if it's only by 2 people on this board.

 

[Cheesewater]

The Diaw/Bell lovfest is so freaking unfounded and laughable....even if it's only by 2 people on this board.

Maybe they are lovesick Dirty Scottsdale girls incognito...

 

[mojorizen7]

Maybe they are lovesick Dirty Scottsdale girls incognito...

I think we know where the lovefest that a few posters have for Raja/Diaw really originates from ....

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^nice shorts Mike.

 

[nowagimp]

Haha bless your heart. You still don't understand what I am saying. I am not referring to the trade in "hindsight".

And bless your pointed little head, you werent reading the posts of others before engaging in discussion, just arguing the points you wanted to make regardless of what others were saying, so very ASFN, its a disease here.

 

[nowagimp]

Is this a real post? Or are you just some kind of trolling joke poster?

Forgive him he didnt see kobe play that game and get the offensive fouls. Hes just arguing on his beliefs, not the facts. He is a troll of sorts, a disenfranchised troll of the porter persuasion. He and mojo hate DA so much they actually loved the porter signing, dubious as it was. These guys , like porter see no problem in wasted efforts at putting square plugs in round holes.

 

[mojorizen7]

Forgive him he didnt see kobe play that game and get the offensive fouls. Hes just arguing on his beliefs, not the facts. He is a troll of sorts, a disenfranchised troll of the porter persuasion. He and mojo hate DA so much they actually loved the porter signing, dubious as it was. These guys , like porter see no problem in wasted efforts at putting square plugs in round holes.

For every hater, you've got a blind homer.
On a related note,your homer fixation left town.

 

[binkar]

Forgive him he didnt see kobe play that game and get the offensive fouls. Hes just arguing on his beliefs, not the facts. He is a troll of sorts, a disenfranchised troll of the porter persuasion. He and mojo hate DA so much they actually loved the porter signing, dubious as it was. These guys , like porter see no problem in wasted efforts at putting square plugs in round holes.

Why are you so bitter all the time? I for one enjoy his posts because they are humorous and entertaining.

 

[KloD]

Forgive him he didnt see kobe play that game and get the offensive fouls. Hes just arguing on his beliefs, not the facts. He is a troll of sorts, a disenfranchised troll of the porter persuasion. He and mojo hate DA so much they actually loved the porter signing, dubious as it was. These guys , like porter see no problem in wasted efforts at putting square plugs in round holes.

Ummmm I didn't see the game either and it took me all of 2 min. to find that apparently neither did you, or your memory is warped. Kobe had all of one offensive foul in said game. He scored 38 pts with Raja's "lockdown" defense. In fact it's pretty obvious looking at the play by play and stat sheet that the Lakers losing that game had nothing to do with Raja's defense, it was the bench and Gasol's poor shooting. I find it hard to believe that anyone would use this game to make their case for Raja's defensive level. The fact is, if not for the lack of defense on Kobe the Lakers wouldn't have been in the game.

This thread is ridiculous.

 

[CaptainInsano]

This thread blows.

This is how I reacted after having to read a couple pages of this topic:

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[YouJustGotSUNSD]

Is this a real post? Or are you just some kind of trolling joke poster?

You post was hilariously fallacious. First you claimed Raja shut Kobe down (Kobe shot over 50% in the Charlotte game, over 50%), then you used your first statement to conclude that Raja made Kobe foul out. Both are false, and two wrongs unfortunately dont confirm you silly banter.

How many offensive fouls do you think he got? Let's go back to the play by play for good measure!

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/playbyplay?gameId=290127013

One. 1. Uno. Singular. In the 3rd quarter.

So let's recap. Kobe shot over 50% and got one offensive foul. You claimed Raja's defense shut Kobe down and his offensive fouls made him foul out. The opposite of both your statements were more true than your statements. That's embarassing.

You were wrong, I called you out on it, and you accuse me of being a troll. I think that makes you: a dick.

Forgive him he didnt see kobe play that game and get the offensive fouls. Hes just arguing on his beliefs, not the facts. He is a troll of sorts, a disenfranchised troll of the porter persuasion. He and mojo hate DA so much they actually loved the porter signing, dubious as it was. These guys , like porter see no problem in wasted efforts at putting square plugs in round holes.

Well, your first error is that you made "offensive fouls" plural.

I am not arguing my beliefs, I am arguing facts. Something you have CLEARLY omitted from your post.

I am NOT a Porter fan. Your accusations are again, pure lies. I was one of the many spearheading the call for his resignation.

I called someone else out on their fallacies, he accused me of being a troll, you then also accused me of being a troll, then falsely attributed opinions to me that are completely false.

That also makes you a dick.


Both of you completely failed to fact check your claims, and instead decided to attack my credibility with name calling and false information. Maybe you should admit you were wrong and consider apologizing for your immaturity. Or, continue to be ***** who continue to be wrong.


Lock this thread.

 

[nowagimp]

Ummmm I didn't see the game either and it took me all of 2 min. to find that apparently neither did you, or your memory is warped. Kobe had all of one offensive foul in said game. He scored 38 pts with Raja's "lockdown" defense. In fact it's pretty obvious looking at the play by play and stat sheet that the Lakers losing that game had nothing to do with Raja's defense, it was the bench and Gasol's poor shooting. I
This thread is ridiculous.

You are like alot with the other haters are pretty blind. In the cats win, Diaw goes 23/9/9, shuts gasol down and you say gasol had a "poor shooting night". Yeah no kidding the guy guarding him holds his assignment to a 13 PER at PF. I suppose you see what you want to see, go ahead make it all up. Kobe Bryant fouled out because he was frustrated, and thats the best you can do with the greatest shooting guard since MJ. Kobe pretty much only fouls out when he's frustrated. Raja is no longer a great defender, but at least his effort is there. Diaw was certainly key in the cats win, which happened even after losing their top scorer gerald wallace in the second half to a bynum cheap shot. Funny I can give credit to JRich for what he does, but only a bitter fan can ignore the contributions of diaw to the lakers defeat deafening silence from the haters. I dont hate JRich and I can be objective and say that he is an upgrade at the SG, though a slight falloff in D.

Oh yeah and youjustgotsunsSD was one of the main proponents of hiring porter over DA, its in the record here at ASFN. A few fans had mjisgivings on porters pedigree, but none of the DA haters did. The guy had no track record and was gladly welcomed as a "defensive minded" coach 'cause you all KNEW that the suns just needed more defense in practice, FAIL, TOTAL FAIL. Of course then all the porter homers turned on him as the team "underachieved" even worse than under DA. But that wasnt before they went through the players, all BUMS except shaq since they didnt do well under porter, trade em all! Like a bunch of kerr wannabees: do what I want and when it doesnt work your gone.

 

[shazaam6]

You are like alot with the other haters are pretty blind. In the cats win, Diaw goes 23/9/9, shuts gasol down and you say gasol had a "poor shooting night". Yeah no kidding the guy guarding him holds his assignment to a 13 PER at PF. I suppose you see what you want to see, go ahead make it all up. Kobe Bryant fouled out because he was frustrated, and thats the best you can do with the greatest shooting guard since MJ. Kobe pretty much only fouls out when he's frustrated. Raja is no longer a great defender, but at least his effort is there. Diaw was certainly key in the cats win, which happened even after losing their top scorer gerald wallace in the second half to a bynum cheap shot. Funny I can give credit to JRich for what he does, but only a bitter fan can ignore the contributions of diaw to the lakers defeat deafening silence from the haters. I dont hate JRich and I can be objective and say that he is an upgrade at the SG, though a slight falloff in D.

Oh yeah and youjustgotsunsSD was one of the main proponents of hiring porter over DA, its in the record here at ASFN. A few fans had mjisgivings on porters pedigree, but none of the DA haters did. The guy had no track record and was gladly welcomed as a "defensive minded" coach 'cause you all KNEW that the suns just needed more defense in practice, FAIL, TOTAL FAIL. Of course then all the porter homers turned on him as the team "underachieved" even worse than under DA. But that wasnt before they went through the players, all BUMS except shaq since they didnt do well under porter, trade em all! Like a bunch of kerr wannabees: do what I want and when it doesnt work your gone.

All the "blow it up" trades for a draft pick and expiring contract suggestions with some even having Barbosa thrown in because he is a good value.

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

You are like alot with the other haters are pretty blind. In the cats win, Diaw goes 23/9/9, shuts gasol down and you say gasol had a "poor shooting night". Yeah no kidding the guy guarding him holds his assignment to a 13 PER at PF. I suppose you see what you want to see, go ahead make it all up. Kobe Bryant fouled out because he was frustrated, and thats the best you can do with the greatest shooting guard since MJ. Kobe pretty much only fouls out when he's frustrated. Raja is no longer a great defender, but at least his effort is there. Diaw was certainly key in the cats win, which happened even after losing their top scorer gerald wallace in the second half to a bynum cheap shot. Funny I can give credit to JRich for what he does, but only a bitter fan can ignore the contributions of diaw to the lakers defeat deafening silence from the haters. I dont hate JRich and I can be objective and say that he is an upgrade at the SG, though a slight falloff in D.

Oh yeah and youjustgotsunsSD was one of the main proponents of hiring porter over DA, its in the record here at ASFN. A few fans had mjisgivings on porters pedigree, but none of the DA haters did. The guy had no track record and was gladly welcomed as a "defensive minded" coach 'cause you all KNEW that the suns just needed more defense in practice, FAIL, TOTAL FAIL. Of course then all the porter homers turned on him as the team "underachieved" even worse than under DA. But that wasnt before they went through the players, all BUMS except shaq since they didnt do well under porter, trade em all! Like a bunch of kerr wannabees: do what I want and when it doesnt work your gone.

Well you've completely changed your argument, but are spinning it like you havent noticed. So he didn't shut Kobe down, he "frustrated him." Oh man frustrating him is totally dominating! He frustrated him! The clerk at the grocery store frustrated me yesterday, it didn't cause me to start lashing out on people around me. Your claim is once again, subjective and highliy hisleading. And his plethora of charges and offensive fouls aren't even brought up again? Are you ignoring the fact that you were completely wrong, or does your brain do this auto-spin thing so you dont have to come to terms with what you said and own up to your fallacies? It's sad, really.

I was all for moving D'antoni, because we clearly reached our ceiling with him. I'm sorry you're still hanging onto your love for him, but it was obvious he wasnt going to work on improving the shortcomings of the team. Im also sorry you're content with trying the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. In some circles, thats the definition of INSANITY, yet you seem to be content with it.

I was optimistic about Porter, because he was part of the Detroit championship team, had a track record of improving the Bucks when he was head coach, and was an awesome floor general when he played. So again, you're wrong, but I grow weary of pointing that out. I then publicly admitted my optimism was clouded by being a porter fan when he played, but never claimed everyone on the team minus shaq was a bum. Wrong again son.

You've gone from being a dick to a super dick, and continue to dig yourself deeper in your idiocy.



Lock this thread.

 

[Iverson03]

we should let nash go in summer, I know we all love him. But its time to rebuild.

Nash and Shaq should go. Build around amare