Why did we trade for J-Rich?

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

I dont see how anyone who watches the suns cant agree that:

It is good Diaw is gone.
It is good Diaw is doing better elsewhere.

(amare situation not included)

 

[AceP]

Diaw doesn't fit to play alongside Amare, that's been concluded after trying for a few season. And, he failed to play any better alongside Shaq. No point to keep him.

J.Rich is a great player, but adding him to the line up created problems which we can't deny. We just have too many offensive weapons, not enough shots to go around.

 

[Ninjafish]

I dont see how anyone who watches the suns cant agree that:

It is good Diaw is gone.

Are you serious

(amare situation not included)

Oh. Well how can you not include the amare situation when it is our situation for the rest of the season? It was matter of opinion before Amare went down whether the trade was a good move or not. But now, anyone who still thinks that the trade was good for us is simply insane. I would trade JRich+Dudley straight up for Diaw now.

 

[Covert Rain]

J.Rich is a great player, but adding him to the line up created problems which we can't deny. We just have too many offensive weapons, not enough shots to go around.

What problems are you referring to? The team is doing just find offensively and scoring is back up since changing the system. JRich was not causing the teams offensive problems...the system was. The team does not have great defensive players. Again, not on JRich.

. I would trade JRich+Dudley straight up for Diaw now.

Great. That would do so much good adding 8 points off our bench again because when Amare gets back that's all your going to get. Trading a starting SG for a an 8 point a night, 9 million dollar bench player for a half a season would be such a smart move.

 

[Ninjafish]

Great. That would do so much good adding 8 points off our bench again because when Amare gets back that's all your going to get. Trading a starting SG for a an 8 point a night, 9 million dollar bench player for a half a season would be such a smart move.

When Amare gets back, we could always trade him instead.

 

[Covert Rain]

When Amare gets back, we could always trade him instead.

True but it's not like Diaw is a great defensive player. If we trade Amare I want it to be for a PF that is a defensive minded player first that can rebound. IMO that is what this team is missing.

 

[AceP]

What problems are you referring to? The team is doing just find offensively and scoring is back up since changing the system. JRich was not causing the teams offensive problems...the system was. The team does not have great defensive players. Again, not on JRich.



Great. That would do so much good adding 8 points off our bench again because when Amare gets back that's all your going to get. Trading a starting SG for a an 8 point a night, 9 million dollar bench player for a half a season would be such a smart move.

Wasn't Amare complaining lack of touches? Wasn't Shaq keep saying he'll produce when given the ball?

Are you saying we are going to score 140 every game from now on? Come on, you can't take a honeymoon period too seriously, especially against those bottom teams.

Our starting lineup was too crowded with scoring talent. That is undeniable. Though we may have settled with Amare out ... Irony.

 

[Covert Rain]

Wasn't Amare complaining lack of touches? Wasn't Shaq keep saying he'll produce when given the ball?

You consider that a problem? If so, I will take that. That had nothing to do with JRich. That was because this system was so methodical. This team is getting a ton more shots playing uptempo basketball.

Are you saying we are going to score 140 every game from now on? Come on, you can't take a honeymoon period too seriously, especially against those bottom teams.

Ofcourse not but the Suns are still scoring a ton of points on any given night. Shot attempts are not going to be a problem.

Our starting lineup was too crowded with scoring talent. That is undeniable. Though we may have settled with Amare out ... Irony.

Even pre Amare injury the Suns were still one of the top scoring teams in the NBA. Even pre-system change the Suns were still one of the top in scoring. It's not like offense or shot attempts was our problem. We were averaging 106 points.

It's always been defense and rebounding and adding JRich didn't cause that problem. Besides, it's not like JRich has been a ball hog or something. His numbers were down as well under the old system.

Besides JRich has been shooting 65% from the field after the system change. I think he should take more shots if he is going to continue to shoot at that percentage.

 

[AceP]

You consider that a problem? If so, I will take that. That had nothing to do with JRich. That was because this system was so methodical. This team is getting a ton more shots playing uptempo basketball.



Ofcourse not but the Suns are still scoring a ton of points on any given night. Shot attempts are not going to be a problem.



Even pre Amare injury the Suns were still one of the top scoring teams in the NBA. Even pre-system change the Suns were still one of the top in scoring. It's not like offense or shot attempts was our problem. We were averaging 106 points.

It's always been defense and rebounding and adding JRich didn't cause that problem. Besides, it's not like JRich has been a ball hog or something. His numbers were down as well under the old system.

Hey, I have absolutely no problem with J.Rich, I love his offense, especially 3p shooting. He actually tries hard on defence, and his rebound rate is excellent for a SG.

For the team, it is about "The Right Mix". At the moment, Nash + Amare + Shaq is not the right combination to insert J.Rich ...

 

[JS22]

What the hell does that mean? Are you just a random-cliche-spewing automaton?

see: http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/showpost.php?p=1961367&postcount=10

 

[Andrew]

No I mean he is more consistent on offense than both Bell and Diaw.

 

[Covert Rain]

Hey, I have absolutely no problem with J.Rich, I love his offense, especially 3p shooting. He actually tries hard on defence, and his rebound rate is excellent for a SG.

For the team, it is about "The Right Mix". At the moment, Nash + Amare + Shaq is not the right combination to insert J.Rich ...

Still don't get it. He doesn't detract from this groups of guys. Especially with the system going back to the way it was. There is more then enough shots to go around.

 

[AceP]

Still don't get it. He doesn't detract from this groups of guys. Especially with the system going back to the way it was. There is more then enough shots to go around.

As you have said yourself, we were good in offense under Porter. If we want to win something, we got to defend. Our current lineup is horrible defensively.

This season is over, but by summer time, we got to trade. Nash, Amare or Shaq, one of them has to be replaced by a defensive guy.

 

[mojorizen7]

Nash should go last August, or whenever the date was the day after D'Antoni bailed.
Then again, Porter might still be coaching if that had happened, then again, maybe Porter would have been decent if the fun&gun team captains hadn't bitched & whined their way out of putting in the hard work it takes to improve defensively, then again, it's pointless at this point so who cares.....
Nash is the key to this team.................'s nightly defensive meltdowns.

 

[nowagimp]

That's a false statement. He came in for Shaq but usually Amare slid to center while Diaw played PF.

Only when the center was a stiff with no game. DA was always trying to protect amare from foul trouble so he drew the weaker assignment.

 

[nowagimp]

Are you serious



It was matter of opinion before Amare went down whether the trade was a good move or not. But now, anyone who still thinks that the trade was good for us is simply insane.

they might be perfectly sane, but not too bright.

 

[binkar]

they might be perfectly sane, but not too bright.

So the people who still think the move is good and aren't judging the whole trade on an 8 week window (30 games) are the ones who aren't bright? It is widely agreed that this team doesn't have a great chance at reaching the NBA finals this year and yall are going to judge the trade on the 8 weeks that Amare is gone?

I would argue that the people who aren't too bright are the people who are judging this trade in it's entirety on the fact that Amare is injured for 8 weeks. Boris was one of the most over paid players in basketball when playing for the Suns. Is he earning his money now with Charlotte? Sure. But he never would have if he stayed here. How is it that Boris leaved and yall forget how much the guy underachieved here?

 

[Covert Rain]

Only when the center was a stiff with no game. DA was always trying to protect amare from foul trouble so he drew the weaker assignment.

D'Antoni rarely if ever tried to protect Amare (especially pre-Shaq). His philosophy was to outscore the other center or get him into foul trouble by Amare playing against him. Amare used to go to the FT line so often that often was effective. Defense by offense. A D'Antoni specialty.

After Shaq got here, Amare rarely played against opposing starting Centers unless Shaq went to the bench early. The majority of the time, Amare was either matched up against a backup center or Power Forward playing center on the opposing team when Shaq was on the bench. If you look at the minutes played by Shaq, Shaq played the majority of minutes (almost 30 per game) against the opposing starting Center.

Getting Shaq..... that was the real protection Amare was getting. It allowed Amare to play backup Center in limited minutes and Diaw to play PF. Diaw got plenty of time on the floor with Shaq as well, again playing PF.

It's just a false statement to say Diaw backed up Shaq. That rarely happened. Diaw was a backup PF, not backup Center.

 

[nowagimp]

D'Antoni rarely if ever tried to protect Amare (especially pre-Shaq). His philosophy was to outscore the other center or get him into foul trouble by Amare playing against him. Amare used to go to the FT line so often that often was effective. Defense by offense. A D'Antoni specialty.

After Shaq got here, Amare rarely played against opposing starting Centers unless Shaq went to the bench early. The majority of the time, Amare was either matched up against a backup center or Power Forward playing center on the opposing team when Shaq was on the bench. If you look at the minutes played by Shaq, Shaq played the majority of minutes (almost 30 per game) against the opposing starting Center.

Getting Shaq..... that was the real protection Amare was getting. It allowed Amare to play backup Center in limited minutes and Diaw to play PF. Diaw got plenty of time on the floor with Shaq as well, again playing PF.

It's just a false statement to say Diaw backed up Shaq. That rarely happened. Diaw was a backup PF, not backup Center.

Who do you think was assigned to guard TD last year when shaq went to the bench. I'll help you, almost always it was diaw as amare would commit almost a foul on every play.

 

[nowagimp]

So the people who still think the move is good and aren't judging the whole trade on an 8 week window (30 games) are the ones who aren't bright? It is widely agreed that this team doesn't have a great chance at reaching the NBA finals this year and yall are going to judge the trade on the 8 weeks that Amare is gone?

I would argue that the people who aren't too bright are the people who are judging this trade in it's entirety on the fact that Amare is injured for 8 weeks. Boris was one of the most over paid players in basketball when playing for the Suns. Is he earning his money now with Charlotte? Sure. But he never would have if he stayed here. How is it that Boris leaved and yall forget how much the guy underachieved here?

What you apparently failed to comprehend is that the comment was made that AFTER the loss of amare, diaw became more valuable than JRich over Raja. Dudley looks like filler to me, but who knows maybe he's the next grant hill. If amare doesnt go down, I'd say the trade was an overall improvement, but he did go down, again. "Not too bright" is someone who doesnt realize that playing in the NBA with no size is much more of a problem than a downgrade at SG. The comment was made tonight that with shaq sitting the suns were the smallest team in the NBA. A suns fans hould know this with all the little front court players that have toiled in phx over the last 20 years.

 

[elindholm]

What you apparently failed to comprehend is that the comment was made that AFTER the loss of amare, diaw became more valuable than JRich over Raja.

So your point is that the trade should be evaluated according to what happens over the next six weeks instead of what happens over the next three years, right?

 

[Covert Rain]

Who do you think was assigned to guard TD last year when shaq went to the bench. I'll help you, almost always it was diaw as amare would commit almost a foul on every play.

Amare was. I remember watching in disgust Duncan schooling Amare on the other end of the court several times. I think your memory is faulty. Diaw did not back up Shaq with the likes of Ming, Howard, Chandler, etc...etc..etc.. Diaw probalby played 20% or less of his total minutes against centers.

Your the only person I have ever heard insinuate Diaw was a backup to Shaq and not a backup Power Forward.

 

[Ninjafish]

I didn't watch the Suns/Lakers game, but I see that Kobe shot 10 of 13 for 22 points. Man, it sure would be nice if we had someone to defend against him. (Hint hint)

 

[lou_skywalker]

I didn't watch the Suns/Lakers game, but I see that Kobe shot 10 of 13 for 22 points. Man, it sure would be nice if we had someone to defend against him. (Hint hint)

Odom was 12 of 13......

 

[Chaplin]

I didn't watch the Suns/Lakers game, but I see that Kobe shot 10 of 13 for 22 points. Man, it sure would be nice if we had someone to defend against him. (Hint hint)

Raja hadn't defended Kobe well in 2 years. What planet have you been on?