Why don't people get it...

[LittleDavis]

Yes, we lost Warner...he was great. I think that a good Leinart and a great Beanie will equal or be better then the loss of Warner. Am I way off base?

It is claimed that we will lose a couple of games because we no longer have Warner. The thing is, we lost a couple of games because Warner was off.

Will Beanie win a game or two? Will Leinart service us to a win or two?

I just don't get the logic. We are transforming into a balanced offense and we have been preparing for this. 11-5 next year.



GOOOOOOOO CARDSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

 

[RedRob]

Yes, we lost Warner...he was great. I think that a good Leinart and a great Beanie will equal or be better then the loss of Warner. Am I way off base?

It is claimed that we will lose a couple of games because we no longer have Warner. The thing is, we lost a couple of games because Warner was off.

Will Beanie win a game or two? Will Leinart service us to a win or two?

I just don't get the logic. We are transforming into a balanced offense and we have been preparing for this. 11-5 next year.



GOOOOOOOO CARDSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

You may be way off base, we'll find out. Here's the thing about today's NFL, the importance of one player, the quarterback, is more profound than ever. Look at teams in the Super Bowl over the last few years and names such as Manning, Brady, Brees, and Warner stand out.

Can a team win without a great quarterback? Sure, but they better have a top flight defense. Not sure we fit that category.

 

[LittleDavis]

True...but is Leinart that much of a drop off? I don't know. Is the addition of a potentially great running threat no big deal. Eli Manning won the show and he is serviceable...not great.

I agree with you about a stout defense. I think we are close. We now have a rover at FS. Dansby is the one that hurt. I don't think he can be replaced this year but the addition of Porter and Williams may make that spot less of a liability. Toler starting is a bit worrisome but we will see.

We will see...

GOOOOOOOOOOO CARDSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

 

[Buckybird]

You may be way off base, we'll find out. Here's the thing about today's NFL, the importance of one player, the quarterback, is more profound than ever. Look at teams in the Super Bowl over the last few years and names such as Manning, Brady, Brees, and Warner stand out.

Can a team win without a great quarterback? Sure, but they better have a top flight defense. Not sure we fit that category.

Spot on!!! Thats the NFL today & what the rules dictate. Chances are against you winning the Super Bowl without a top 7-10 QB.

 

[Shane]

Yes, we lost Warner...he was great. I think that a good Leinart and a great Beanie will equal or be better then the loss of Warner. Am I way off base?

It is claimed that we will lose a couple of games because we no longer have Warner. The thing is, we lost a couple of games because Warner was off.

Will Beanie win a game or two? Will Leinart service us to a win or two?

I just don't get the logic. We are transforming into a balanced offense and we have been preparing for this. 11-5 next year.



GOOOOOOOO CARDSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

The thing is you stated a "good Leinart" Well the simple fact is there isnt a soul on this board that really knows what we have in Matt and whether or not he will be good or not.

 

[LittleDavis]

The thing is you stated a "good Leinart" Well the simple fact is there isnt a soul on this board that really knows what we have in Matt and whether or not he will be good or not.

By good, I mean the one who did enough to beat a red hot Tennessee team last year. The player who was neck and neck with Warner. I think that the team surrounding him is better than the one that Warner had. I truly believe he will be a 10-15 QB and solid enough to win the division.

None of us know how things will go this year. I am just popping off against the media who are writing us off.

I admit that I am looking forward to seeing Leinart play, and to watch the transition of our 2010-2011 Arizona Cardinals.

 

[Pariah]

We will not be a better offense than we were with Warner and Boldin. But, by playing a different style and a hopefully better defense we could still win the NFCW and maybe be better prepared for playoff-football.

 

[LittleDavis]

We will not be a better offense than we were with Warner and Boldin. But, by playing a different style and a hopefully better defense we could still win the NFCW and maybe be better prepared for playoff-football.[

Maybe, but our offense was ranked 14th last year. Balance will open up the passing game. Warner was great at the short and intermediate but could not connect on the long ball last year. There were times that his age showed and he was off target. He was great for us but I think leinart will be a good commander for this offense and Beanie will be a difference maker.

I actually disagree that the offense won't be better. I believe we will have a top ten O next year.

 

[Duckjake]

We will not be a better offense than we were with Warner and Boldin. But, by playing a different style and a hopefully better defense we could still win the NFCW and maybe be better prepared for playoff-football.

Well we don't really know that for sure. What we will find out this fall is how much of the offensive success and winning with that offense is attributable to a guy name Ken Whisenhunt.

The Cards had Warner and Boldin before KWhis arrived and were 5-11 every year.

 

[football karma]

to answer your question directly:

Should anybody on this board be surprised that the national perception on replacing future Hall of Famer and all around good guy Kurt Warner with beer-bong, hot tub Matt Leinart is not all that positive? You may not agree, but I think you have to understand why people think that way.

In the bigger picture: this year will truly test the "Pittsburgh West" approach taken by the Cardinals. One should also keep in mind that even under the Pittsburgh approach, Pitt went 8-8 after the 2005 Superbowl -- but then responded with 10 and 12 win seasons, and another Superbowl.

 

[Goldfield]

We will not be a better offense than we were with Warner and Boldin. But, by playing a different style and a hopefully better defense we could still win the NFCW and maybe be better prepared for playoff-football.

I agree we may be a better balanced team which will be better for the playoffs. But we will not be nearly as explosive without warner.

 

[JAB]

Yes, we lost Warner...he was great. I think that a good Leinart and a great Beanie will equal or be better then the loss of Warner. Am I way off base?

It is claimed that we will lose a couple of games because we no longer have Warner. The thing is, we lost a couple of games because Warner was off.

Will Beanie win a game or two? Will Leinart service us to a win or two?

I just don't get the logic. We are transforming into a balanced offense and we have been preparing for this. 11-5 next year.



GOOOOOOOO CARDSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

This is the problem as I se it. I do believe Matt is capable of leading this team to a 9 and 7 or better record and maybe even a playoff victory. As you stated we did lose a game or two when Warner was off and I also believe If Matt is consistent and we improve a little on defense and in the running game this season record may be a wash. I'm just not sure when or if Matt will have the ability to elevate this team as Warner did to be a true legitimate Super Bowl contender. When Warner was on he was that special and in my opinion with our current talent we still need that to win a Super Bowl.

 

[JeffGollin]

The logic is with you.

But the reality of "a good Leinart" and a "great Beanie" has yet to be proved on the field.

Likewise, my problem with the pundits who are writing us off isn't that "I'm 100% positive the Cards will prevail" but, instead, how "certain" the so-called experts are that the Niners and Seahawks are better.

An obtuse digression to help make my point - Once upon a time, I bought a Volvo wagon (because its advertising persuaded me that it was the safest, least expensive and coolest vehicle in the universe). It turned out to be a lemon - the worst car I ever owned. Sometimes real world events can make what seems to be the most astute arguments look really really, dumb.

 

[NeverSayDieFan]

Hey! Little Davis...

Mostly this is all about "image". ...And the Cards have had a very poor one for years. Now, there's been a dramatic change in how the front office operates and that's shown up on the field. The Cards are a decent club these-days. Good coaching, good personel, and a growing fan-base.

But this fly's in the face of what's always been! People have gotten used to laughing at the misfortunes of the Cards, Chiefs, Lions, etc. WHY? Simple, they like it. They like the idea that my team is great and yours sucks. They want it to stay that way. The way it's always been. They tend to forget that at many points in NFL history, the Giants, Patriots, Colts, 49'ers, and Cowboys...ALL STUNK!

So, having been on the receiving end of countless taunts, jeers, etc. for over 40+ years, I am thoroughly enjoying pay-back! The Cards are GOOD! Don't like it?? Toooooo bad!!!!!!!!! I/we do! GO CARDS!

 

[Buckybird]

But this fly's in the face of what's always been! People have gotten used to laughing at the misfortunes of the Cards, Chiefs, Lions, etc. WHY? Simple, they like it. They like the idea that my team is great and yours sucks. They want it to stay that way. The way it's always been. They tend to forget that at many points in NFL history, the Giants, Patriots, Colts, 49'ers, and Cowboys...ALL STUNK!

and the Stealers sucked for nearly 60 years

 

[lobo]

We will not be a better offense than we were with Warner and Boldin. But, by playing a different style and a hopefully better defense we could still win the NFCW and maybe be better prepared for playoff-football.

It is very healthy to see that most of us are showing a lot of sensible reasoning vis a vis Matt. Time is going to tell. He has been brought along pretty much like Kobe beef!! Excellent coaching over the last few years, Warner to learn from, limited pressure etc etc. Showtime is coming up and we are all waiting to get on the bus. I said it before he ain't the Joe Kapp or Billy Kilmer type, but that does not mean he can't be a leader...his challenge is to read defenses quickly and make the changes required in a nano-second.

 

[Mainstreet]

Forgive the basketball analogy, but Steve Nash to the Suns is in some measure what Kurt Warner was to the Cardinals. There is a chance Dragic, the backup PG for the Suns, might be able to replace Nash if he were to suddenly retire but it is not likely he could replace what a two time MVP brings to the game.

What I'm saying, the Cardinals lost a great leader and a great QB when Warner retired. They are not going to replace him with ML at least right away. However, let's hope ML can play well in the Cardinals offensive system and the players can get the job done with a team approach.

 

[Cheesebeef]

By good, I mean the one who did enough to beat a red hot Tennessee team last year.

he led us to 10 points in that game. That's not gonna be good enough to beat anyone else.

The player who was neck and neck with Warner.

wha?

 

[LittleDavis]

he led us to 10 points in that game. That's not gonna be good enough to beat anyone else.

wha?

Leinart 21/31 220 7.1 0 0 88.1
Didn't have starters practice time. He maintained in this game and we had a VERY good chance to win. Maybe led is too much but it was a big game and the media was all over it. He maintained.

2008

Alright Cheese....I will join the cynical skeptic club. We lost Warner. Leinart sucks. Season over.

 

[LittleDavis]

Forgive the basketball analogy, but Steve Nash to the Suns is in some measure what Kurt Warner was to the Cardinals. There is a chance Dragic, the backup PG for the Suns, might be able to replace Nash if he were to suddenly retire but it is not likely he could replace what a two time MVP brings to the game.

What I'm saying, the Cardinals lost a great leader and a great QB when Warner retired. They are not going to replace him with ML at least right away. However, let's hope ML can play well in the Cardinals offensive system and the players can get the job done with a team approach.

Leinart is not just some backup. The guy has talent and was actually competitive with Warner. I admit, he can't do what Warner can(I don't think). He won't be asked to.

 

[TRW]

A thread with a Joe Kapp & Billy Kilmer reference...

is awesome! Talk about ugly play at QB but, at times, unbeatable. Those guys were so great to watch, back when there was rainy, snowy, muddy winter games! Loved those days.

Anyway, back on task. As has been said several times, perception is reality for most of why people, particularly national media-types, "don't get it" with the Cards. But, really, it is reality and not perception to question if the Cards really can maintain the past couple of seasons.

Is Beanie ready for carrying the load? Is he and Timmy enough to sustain a sufficient running attack for 16+ games? Can Matt step into HOF Warner's cleats and lead this team deep into the playoffs or a SB? How about the defense? Has it been rebuilt to be at least as good or better than last year?

No one knows, not even the coaching staff. We can all hope that all is well and Whis is coaching 'em all up to succeed. But, that's why the games are played and that's when the "proof will be in the pudding" with this team. I think they are poised for at least a 9-7 record IF what I think the talent is will perform up to capabilities. But, I can also see a 7-9 or worse situation if the talent isn't what is expected.

Let's PLAY BALL!!!!!! I'm ready for some FOOTBALL!!!!!

 

[Duckjake]

is awesome! Talk about ugly play at QB but, at times, unbeatable. Those guys were so great to watch, back when there was rainy, snowy, muddy winter games! Loved those days.

Anyway, back on task. As has been said several times, perception is reality for most of why people, particularly national media-types, "don't get it" with the Cards. But, really, it is reality and not perception to question if the Cards really can maintain the past couple of seasons.

Is Beanie ready for carrying the load? Is he and Timmy enough to sustain a sufficient running attack for 16+ games? Can Matt step into HOF Warner's cleats and lead this team deep into the playoffs or a SB? How about the defense? Has it been rebuilt to be at least as good or better than last year?

No one knows, not even the coaching staff. We can all hope that all is well and Whis is coaching 'em all up to succeed. But, that's why the games are played and that's when the "proof will be in the pudding" with this team. I think they are poised for at least a 9-7 record IF what I think the talent is will perform up to capabilities. But, I can also see a 7-9 or worse situation if the talent isn't what is expected.

Let's PLAY BALL!!!!!! I'm ready for some FOOTBALL!!!!!

A very key item and the main thing that is overlooked by many in assessing the Cards chances in 2010. Ken resurrected the career of Kurt Warner and took the same core of players to the SB that Green had at 5-11 in 2006.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Leinart 21/31 220 7.1 0 0 88.1
Didn't have starters practice time. He maintained in this game and we had a VERY good chance to win. Maybe led is too much but it was a big game and the media was all over it. He maintained.

it was 10 points. The D maintained that game for us... before they completely blew it. I did like that he led a game-leading drive in the fourth of that game though.

2008

Matt went in as the number QB and lost it in pre-season. That doesn't say neck and neck to me.

Alright Cheese....I will join the cynical skeptic club. We lost Warner. Leinart sucks. Season over.

whoa. pump the breaks little davis. Just cause i'm not annointing Matty "good" or think you're exaggerating with his "leading" the team or playing neck and neck with a HOFer doesn't mean I think the season's over and Matt sucks. I don't see Matt... or the season as a black or white issue. I think he's got a shot and I think we've got a shot to win the division. I'm just not ready to go into hyperbole mode on him yet.

 

[LittleDavis]

whoa. pump the breaks little davis. Just cause i'm not annointing Matty "good" or think you're exaggerating with his "leading" the team or playing neck and neck with a HOFer doesn't mean I think the season's over and Matt sucks. I don't see Matt... or the season as a black or white issue. I think he's got a shot and I think we've got a shot to win the division. I'm just not ready to go into hyperbole mode on him yet.

Breaks pumped...I completely understand. I actually didn't say he led the team...just maintained. I am just doing what I always do...I get excited and super loyal to the team at hand. I appreciate what Warner did but it is Leinart's time. I am going to support him like I did Warner.

GOOOOOOOOO CARDSSSSSSSSSSS

 

[Pariah]

Matt went in as the number QB and lost it in pre-season. .

This is the biggest beef I have with the perception of Leinart. Yeah, he lost the starting job in preseason...but then Warner went on to show the world that he was still the Warner he was 6 years prior. He TOOK THE CARDINALS TO THE SUPERBOWL.

Hello? That's F'n legendary.

I feel sorry for Leinart. Even if he becomes a serviceable (no small feat by anyone's standards) to good to very good QB in the NFL for the next decade he's never going to compare to Warner. What Warner did the last couple of seasons is miraculous.

Living in Denver I watch Bronco fans all the time lamenting that the guy they have under center "is no Elway." No ****? The guy you have isn't a HoFer? Aw, shucks. Bronco fans should be esctatic that they've had guys like Plummer and Cutler at QB. in the decade following Elway.

Decent QBs are hard to come by in the NFL. Good ones even rarer. Warner the last few years? A gift. Let's not thumb our nose at a guy because he couldn't beat out a guy who was a top-5 QB in the twilight of his (mostly) illustrious career.