Why give Boldin a extension/redo his deal now?

[Shane]

Fitz had has many TD's in his rookie season as Boldin did in his. And Fitz was hampered by a bad ankle most of the season.

Why does Boldin need to break the bank today? He still has two years left on his deal. If he stays healthy and plays well, he will break the bank. What's the hurry?

The hurry is we can lock him up now and not make him resent the team and move on in two years. If we rework his deal and give him the raise he DESERVES then he will be locked up for 5 to 6 years instaed of only 2.

Fitz is a primary endzone target. Boldin isnt. BUt Boldin will certainly have more catches and make more 1st downs. Thus allowing for Fitz TD's!

 

[john h]

Ben was the #3 QB picked #11 in the 1st round. He did not get anything close to the Eli Manning/Phillip Rivers deal. Boldin was a high 2nd round pick. How a player 6 monthes remove from knee surgury can demand a big contract is a player who's ego is getting in the way. I think more and more that he will be traded after the 2005 season.

He was 15-1 as a starter. How could you say that he did have as good of rookie year as Boldin? There is much more to being a good player in the NFL. It is not always about the numbers. For QBs, it is often about how good of a leader/pressure QB you are. If it was always about great numbers, P. Manning would everyones pick for QB while Tom Brady and his three SB rings would be left behind. I would rather have Brady than Manning. Manning is more fun to watch but in a big game I would put my money on Brady.

Given the choice of Ben or Bolden for out team it would be a no brainer in my opinion. QB's are the real difference makers on a team and is the reason they receive the most money. There are fewer good QB's than good receivers and the law of supply and demand kicks in just like it supposed to.

 

[Russ Smith]

I love how a player can do well and suddenly deserve more than they were contracted to play for, but you never see a guy come out and say "I sucked this year...take some of your money back."

:acontractisacontract:

In theory you're right but the problem is the draft is slotted. Quan didn't have the opportunity to negotiate a deal for his "true value" because in the NFL your true value as a rookie is determined by where you're drafted.

If the Cards were to go to Johnson and Pace and demand they redo their contracts to make them more cap friendly I suspect most here would be in favor of that, hey they"re overpaid they SHOULD take paycuts would be the likely sentiment. So a guy who's exceeding his draft slot shouldn't be questioned for asking for more.

 

[Russ Smith]

Fitz had has many TD's in his rookie season as Boldin did in his. And Fitz was hampered by a bad ankle most of the season.

Why does Boldin need to break the bank today? He still has two years left on his deal. If he stays healthy and plays well, he will break the bank. What's the hurry?

Fitz was playing in an offense coached by Green, a proven offensive coach, and one built around getting the ball to Fitz in the redzone. Quan was playing for Jerry Sullivan, and he had to earn his status as go to guy.

Don't get me wrong Fitz is remarkable in the redzone, but it's not a coincidence that 6 of his 8 TD's came AFTER Quan got back, Quan allowed us to better move the ball into position for Fitz to then outjump someone for a TD. Without Quan fitz had only put up 2 td's. Quan made Fitz a better player last year. Admittedly how much is impossible to know since presumably his ankle was healing too and that contributed.

 

[BigRedMO]

If the Cards are ever to make this team a respectable NFL team they have to keep the talented players happy so they will stay. That means paying them what they are worth, including renegotiating contracts. If the contract is not renegotiated he will legitimately feel like he was not paid what he was worth and choose to leave at the end of the contract. In the mean time he may very likely play only as hard as he feels like he is getting paid until the final year of his contract when he will play hard to show is stuff for other teams. This whole problem stems from overpaying Fitzgerald. The question is are the Cards going to change their feathers and retain their talent or be the same old cheap ass Cardinals who cut off their beaks to spite their faces.

 

[john h]

The hurry is we can lock him up now and not make him resent the team and move on in two years. If we rework his deal and give him the raise he DESERVES then he will be locked up for 5 to 6 years instaed of only 2.

Fitz is a primary endzone target. Boldin isnt. BUt Boldin will certainly have more catches and make more 1st downs. Thus allowing for Fitz TD's!

The big question is just how much does he want and for how long? In the final analysis the market will determine what is deserves. We do not need to make a stupid mistake and sign him to a giant contract with only one full year to have judged him on and with an injury that may or may not come back to haunt him. When I was a pilot in the military I thought I was the greatest pilot in the world and deserved more pay. The military did not see it that way and advised me I had a 20 year contract and would be paid accordingly.

 

[Toro]

The Patriots have won three of the last four SB's.

You don't see them redoing deals.

I agree that Boldin current contract under pays him. However, many NFL players are either overpaid or underpaid.

 

[Russ Smith]

The Patriots have won three of the last four SB's.

You don't see them redoing deals.

I agree that Boldin current contract under pays him. However, many NFL players are either overpaid or underpaid.

They didn't have caproom. And you'll note there's already talk of unrest with them releasing players in part to make more caproom for Tom Brady's coming new deal.

The fact is we have a number of players on our team who are overpaid, if it's fiscally unsound to redo Quan, it's fiscally unsound to pay Pace, johnson, Bryant etc first round money.

 

[Toro]

Brady's deal is up soon. They have to extend him.

Everyone acts like Q is an All-Pro. He not even a top 10 WR. I don't deny that he could be but he currently is not.

 

[Shane]

Brady's deal is up soon. They have to extend him.

Everyone acts like Q is an All-Pro. He not even a top 10 WR. I don't deny that he could be but he currently is not.

I disagree. He was on pace for 90 ball last year. Thats top 10 or pretty darn close actually 88 would have been top 10. He was easily top 5 the year prior! YOu have to look at what he did when he played. The amount of games he has played it is fair to assume he has shown he is no fluke.

 

[joeshmo]

If Boldin is looking for a Fitz deal I say screw him. Not even Fitz deserves his deal, no one in the draft deserves there deals, thats just the nature of the draft, and Boldin needs to realize that.

But,

If Boldin is looking for a deal like what Burress just got then I say screw the B's and G's for not giving it to him allready.

It is really as simple as that for me.

The amount($$$) both sides are working with, we just dont know them yet from either side, nothing but speculation and rumers which makes it easy for there to be such a divide in the opinions on this topic.

And the whole he is going to hold out stuff is a common tactic that Drew leaks out to the media to get a reaction out of the fans which would get back to the team, it is usually a empty threat.

Boldin will be in camp and he will be re-signed by the deadline in the middle of next season.

 

[Shane]

If Boldin is looking for a Fitz deal I say screw him. Not even Fitz deserves his deal, no one in the draft deserves there deals, thats just the nature of the draft, and Boldin needs to realize that.

But,

If Boldin is looking for a deal like what Burress just got then I say screw the B's and G's for not giving it to him allready.It is really as simple as that for me.

The amount($$$) both sides are working with, we just dont know them yet from either side, nothing but speculation and rumers which makes it easy for there to be such a divide in the opinions on this topic.

And the whole he is going to hold out stuff is a common tactic that Drew leaks out to the media to get a reaction out of the fans which would get back to the team, it is usually a empty threat.

Boldin will be in camp and he will be re-signed by the deadline in the middle of next season.

 

[Toro]

I disagree. He was on pace for 90 ball last year. Thats top 10 or pretty darn close actually 88 would have been top 10. He was easily top 5 the year prior! YOu have to look at what he did when he played. The amount of games he has played it is fair to assume he has shown he is no fluke.

"On Pace" means nothing. The Cards were "on pace" to make the playoffs before DG pulled McCown.

 

[Shane]

"On Pace" means nothing. The Cards were "on pace" to make the playoffs before DG pulled McCown.

If you cant see it shows a certain level of production. Then I dont know what to say for you that will make you happy.

 

[CaliCards]

He missed half the season and still had as many catches as Fitzgerald who makes about 10 times the amount Boldin does.

He deserves to be paid!

What Shane H said and I'd wait to see how healthy he is after mini camp; but as soon as the regular season begins, Boldin should be rewarded with a new contract........

 

[JasonKGME]

I love how a player can do well and suddenly deserve more than they were contracted to play for, but you never see a guy come out and say "I sucked this year...take some of your money back."

:acontractisacontract:

Actually thats the point of the "non guarnteed" contracts in the NFL, if a player sucks the team cuts hime allowing them to "take some of your money back"

So yes, it does happen that way so why shouldnt a player who is playing ABOVE his contract to request more money?

 

[JasonKGME]

You are a little off. It is a incentive contract. A guaranteed contract will be his next one.


Big Ben got:

Roethlisberger signed a six-year contract in August 2004. According to the AP, the deal is worth $22.26 million in salaries and bonuses, with an additional $17.73 million available via incentives. $4.875 million of the incentives are based on playing time and easily reachable for a starting quarterback, according to the AP. Roethlisberger's base salaries will be $230,000, $305,000, $655,000, $1.026 million, $1.356 million, and $1.707 million over the next six years. According to ESPN, Roethlisberger's successful rookie campaign could net him $2.6 million in bonuses for 2004.

Apparently you missed the point:

Ben got $9 mil upfront, plus his salary his 1st and second year of $230K + $305K plus since he started almost all the games last year I will assume he made a minimum $1 mil last year of the easily reachable incentives (since above says probably $2.6 mil this is a very low estimate) and will do so again this year for another $1 mil, so at minimum in his 1st 2 years he will earn $11,535,000.

Boldin in his 1st two years has earned his $1.2 mil signing bonus, salaries of $225K & $305K has made a total of $1,730,000 total!!

Which means Ben in his 1st 2 years will earn $9,805,000 more then Boldin. I would say that they are about equally valuable to thier teams, and may even give a SLIGHT edge to Ben because QB is a tougher position, but Quan is the better player, so still fairly even, so doesnt this mean that Boldin deservse to earn another $9 mil plus??

 

[Toro]

Only a slight edge to Ben...

If you could trade Q for Ben straight up. Would you do I?

I would do it in a heartbeat. IMO, the QB position is much more important than the WR position.

 

[blindseyed]

What Shane H said and I'd wait to see how healthy he is after mini camp; but as soon as the regular season begins, Boldin should be rewarded with a new contract........

I agree somewhat, I say wait until mid season atleast. The NFL is all about what have you done for me lately. Unfortunatlety for him he got hurt and missed most of the season, so it's back to show me how you recover. If/when he shows that then you reward him. Plus we're not talking like the guys only making $3.25 an hour here either.
I still say ya wait alittle longer.

 

[Russ Smith]

Only a slight edge to Ben...

If you could trade Q for Ben straight up. Would you do I?

I would do it in a heartbeat. IMO, the QB position is much more important than the WR position.

So why did we draft Fitz.

Not disagreeing with you just venting about passing on a QB 2 years in a row.

 

[azdad1978]

So why did we draft Fitz.

So we can draft Green's godson.

 

[ajcardfan]

So we can draft Green's godson.

Well, it was a damn good stroke of luck that he's also a hell of a football player.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Boldin for Kevin Williams, Pat Willliams, and Michael Bennet!

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

So we can draft Green's godson.

Can someone explain to me how Denny is Fitzgerald's godfather seeing as that he didn't even get the Minnesota gig until Larry was 9 years old?

 

[Brian in Mesa]

If the Cards were to go to Johnson and Pace and demand they redo their contracts to make them more cap friendly I suspect most here would be in favor of that, hey they"re overpaid they SHOULD take paycuts would be the likely sentiment. So a guy who's exceeding his draft slot shouldn't be questioned for asking for more.

Why not? He's being paid based on where he was drafted.

He signed a 4 year deal. Did he have to? Could he have signed for only 2 or 3?

I'd be for shorter initial contracts so outstanding players could get better deals, but it's getting to be a circus. A guy plays great and suddenly he's being mistreated for only being paid what he was more than happy to agree to a short time ago.

The player is not being mistreated. He signed a deal, he's doing his job and being paid what he agreed to be paid.

Junior Seau was once asked if he planned on renegotiating his contract because of his high level of play and he said "No, why would I. I am a man of my word. I signed a deal and I'll play it out. Then I'll get my money."