Why give Boldin a extension/redo his deal now?

[ThunderCard]

I believe we should pay the guy after next year. Give him top 10 money if he performs in the top ten again. His rookie year he was top 5 ...

Look how much money we have left this year 6.5 Million. Add another 9-11 of Dead cap space this year and with the cap going up another 5 million. Next year it should mean we have more than enough money for the Q and more free agents.

At least he wants to play for the Cards and not ditch us. We need to start resigning our own good draft picks from now on. I am tired of seeing a rookie only play 4 years here and bolt to another team. This trend needs to be stopped before we become a good franchise and it needs to be stopped now.

Also on another note Dansby and Dockett are going to tear it up this year and should have new long term deals in another 2 years.

 

[Assface]

Actually thats the point of the "non guarnteed" contracts in the NFL, if a player sucks the team cuts hime allowing them to "take some of your money back"

So yes, it does happen that way so why shouldnt a player who is playing ABOVE his contract to request more money?

That's why I hate when people bring up the underachieving argument. The player doesn't get all of the money because he gets cut before the contract is up. Guys who outplay there contracts get new ones and the players who don't live up the the contracts they signed hit the streets.

 

[john h]

Well if you ask me football is a game where your definition is damn near impossible to aquire. If a guy like say Walter Payton takes over a game is it merely Walter Payton? Or was it not only him but his line elevating there play? Did they elevate it because of Walter or vice versa? In football its really hard to say. But one guy alone cannot truly carry a team in the sport of football IMO!

For example Q can completely carry the offense like he did for almost 3 quarters of that Detroit game. But once the Defense collapses, the O-line blocking goes to hell and a handbasket not giving Blake any time to throw. Then does that diminish the fact that Q carried the team for a certain amount of the game? I say it doesnt. To me it shows just how much of a team sport this game really is. You need 22 seperate individuals who all have different assignements doing there collective jobs.

I agree with you Shane. In basketball a guy like Shaq can take over a game. In baseball a pitcher can be totally unhitable and take over a game. In football it is really hard to say that any one guy takes over a game. He cannot play both defense and offense. No matter what position he plays he needs help from his other team mates. It may appear that a QB or receiver takes over a game but in fact one cannot exist without the other and the linemen are needed by both. The guy that can come closest to dominating a game is a QB. He handles the ball on all offensive plays and if he gets hot can seem to dominate but he still has to have the guys to catch the ball and the lineman to block for him and the defense to hold the other team. Football is truly a TEAM game.

 

[Russ Smith]

Can someone explain to me how Denny is Fitzgerald's godfather seeing as that he didn't even get the Minnesota gig until Larry was 9 years old?

Green and Larry's dad have been buddies forever. I think the godson thing is sort of similar to how in my girlfriend's family she has tons of "cousins" who aren't really cousins(they refer to it as Filipino cousins). For the record Green first met Larry Jr when he was 8. Green is so close to the family that he spoke at the services when Fitz' mother passed away.

 

[Russ Smith]

Why not? He's being paid based on where he was drafted.

He signed a 4 year deal. Did he have to? Could he have signed for only 2 or 3?

I'd be for shorter initial contracts so outstanding players could get better deals, but it's getting to be a circus. A guy plays great and suddenly he's being mistreated for only being paid what he was more than happy to agree to a short time ago.

The player is not being mistreated. He signed a deal, he's doing his job and being paid what he agreed to be paid.

Junior Seau was once asked if he planned on renegotiating his contract because of his high level of play and he said "No, why would I. I am a man of my word. I signed a deal and I'll play it out. Then I'll get my money."

You really think signing a shorter deal would have helped when he wouldn't be eligible to be a free agent? 3 years before he was going to be an RFA, 4 before a UFA, that's why most rookie deals are 3, 4 or 5 years.

Name the last 2nd round pick to sign a 2 year deal. It never happens, in the NFL your first contract is based entirely on how you were drafted. AS for the he signed a contract stuff, you HAVE to sign a contract to play in the NFL. It's not like the real world where you can freely get up and change jobs if you feel you're not being paid well.

The system works both ways, we have many players being overpaid and everyday there's a thread here where someone complains about how much we've paid Bryant or Pace or the old whipping boy Duane Starks. So if it's fair to take underachievers and cut their salaries, it should be fair to do the opposite for a guy like Anquan Boldin.

 

[RedStorm]

Actually thats the point of the "non guarnteed" contracts in the NFL, if a player sucks the team cuts hime allowing them to "take some of your money back"

So yes, it does happen that way so why shouldnt a player who is playing ABOVE his contract to request more money?

Isn't that what bonuses and incentives are for?

I get a base salary. If I do not perform I can be let go. If I do perform then I get money ABOVE my salary in the form of bonuses.

Is this not the same?

 

[Russ Smith]

Isn't that what bonuses and incentives are for?

I get a base salary. If I do not perform I can be let go. If I do perform then I get money ABOVE my salary in the form of bonuses.

Is this not the same?

The Cards can't give Quan a performance bonus, it's not legal unless it was in the original contract.

If Quan really rejected the offer Jurecki said he did, I think he's getting bad advice, but I don't blame him at all for expecting to have his deal reworked he's making far less than his teammates. Again 6 of Fitz's 8 td catches came with Quan in the lineup, that's not coincidence.

 

[RedStorm]

The Cards can't give Quan a performance bonus, it's not legal unless it was in the original contract.

If Quan really rejected the offer Jurecki said he did, I think he's getting bad advice, but I don't blame him at all for expecting to have his deal reworked he's making far less than his teammates. Again 6 of Fitz's 8 td catches came with Quan in the lineup, that's not coincidence.

Well, maybe we should rewrite the contract and give performance bonuses.

I think if anyone on this team is worth getting a new contract it is Quan. And, it is correct to say that Bidwill is not obligated to redo the contract. But, it would still be the right thing to do IMO.

I was just making the arguement that a player can make above his salary through bonuses and incentives (agree, they must be written into the contract up front).

 

[ajcardfan]

Green and Larry's dad have been buddies forever. I think the godson thing is sort of similar to how in my girlfriend's family she has tons of "cousins" who aren't really cousins(they refer to it as Filipino cousins). For the record Green first met Larry Jr when he was 8. Green is so close to the family that he spoke at the services when Fitz' mother passed away.

That is all true.

But, there is no doubt that EVERYBODY had Fitz in the top 5, most had him in the top 3 in mocks and player rankings. Ben R. had more variance. He was rated from the top five down to the teens.

 

[Russ Smith]

That is all true.

But, there is no doubt that EVERYBODY had Fitz in the top 5, most had him in the top 3 in mocks and player rankings. Ben R. had more variance. He was rated from the top five down to the teens.

Oh I don't disagree, the original comment was that QB is more important than WR which is why we'd all trade Boldin for ben in a heartbeat if given the chance. I was just pointing out in essence we traded Fitz for Ben by picking him.

That said it was almost universal that mocks had us picking ben until Green came out and said we were unlikely to pick a QB and that Fitz was the best player.

I think Fitz is going to be special in his own way but we're still sitting here with no clue who our QB will be in game 1 in the new stadium because we've passed on QB's 2 years running. I expect both Rodgers and Smith to be gone before we pick this year.

 

[BigRedMO]

I think Smith is going to be a great QB. Very unlikely he will be available at 8. The draft is strong in RB and there will be available good RBs all the way into the 2nd round. That is why I dont get the idea of trading Boldin for a RB or signing a FA RB. The Cards will be able to get a good RB with their 1st or 2nd picks. I do expect them to draft a RB with their first pick since Smith wont be there. Who knows how many years it will be till Cards have a a franchise QB. If Warner is the turnover and sack machine he has been the last two years I expect the Cards may get a good shot at a QB in the draft next year.

 

[john h]

I think Smith is going to be a great QB. Very unlikely he will be available at 8. The draft is strong in RB and there will be available good RBs all the way into the 2nd round. That is why I dont get the idea of trading Boldin for a RB or signing a FA RB. The Cards will be able to get a good RB with their 1st or 2nd picks. I do expect them to draft a RB with their first pick since Smith wont be there. Who knows how many years it will be till Cards have a a franchise QB. If Warner is the turnover and sack machine he has been the last two years I expect the Cards may get a good shot at a QB in the draft next year.

I think without question we have to take a RB with our 1st or 2nd pick unless we sign a FA RB. We surely cannot start the season with our current crop of RB's. Our main guy coming off a broken leg.