Why I would take Gabbert over Newton

[az jam]

I would take Gabbert over Newton because of perceived intelligence. Both have the size and strength needed to be a starting qb. The skill sets appear to be there. However, Gabbert made the all Big 12 academic team majoring in business. Newton was kicked out of Florida for stealing a computer and cheating on a test. Additionally his father is running his career.

Successful qbs need to be able to read the defenses thrown at them. The playback has also become quite complicated. You also need to have a qb that can study film and understand a full game plan.

It will be interesting to see how they do on the Wonderlic test at the Combine.
I'm not saying that Newton is stupid but I am saying that Gabbert is smart.

 

[desertdawg]

no comment and no way I don't see it going down

 

[Crazy Canuck]

No doubt Gabbert will win the Wonderlic test.

I'm more interested in the type of feedback we'll get from O-coordinator's after both QBs are brought up to the whiteboard.

 

[binkar]

no comment and no way I don't see it going down

Quite the rebuttal there.

 

[football karma]

It is just a question of what your risk profile is.

Gabbert has a lower upside but also a lower downside. I think his downside is Alex Smith.

Newton's downside is that he isn't in the league.

 

[DoTheDew]

I personally feel like both will be successful in this league on the right teams. Newton needs to be in a system where the coach is willing to redesign his playbook to fit his strengths. As long as Whiz is the coach, that isn't Arizona. That is why I would pass on him.

Now, Gabbert is very bright, like you said, and unlike, say, Max Hall, he has the physical tools. Whiz seems to really like bright QBs. The question I have is if Whiz will take the time to develop him. For me, if we bring in someone like Bulger or McNabb who is a clear stop-gap, Gabbert is the obvious pick. If we go over a QB who's still in his 20s and has long term starter potential like Kolb or Orton, then we take a pass rusher to give Horton the tools he needs.

If there's no free agency by the time the draft starts, I move back to Gabbert. The season is likely lost anyways in that case. The mad rush for players if and when there's a FA will cause us to not be settled at the QB position again, and it's best then to give Whiz a tool to move forward with.

If we take Newton, Whiz will be gone within 24 games. I don't know if the FO is smart enough to bring in the type of coach that would use him either.

 

[vinnymac]

Gabbert actually went through his reads as QB. Newton is a 1 read and go. I just don't think Newton is going to succeed in the NFL. Imo, Gabbert has a better chance to succeed.

 

[Hypothesis]

Gabbert actually went through his reads as QB. Newton is a 1 read and go. I just don't think Newton is going to succeed in the NFL. Imo, Gabbert has a better chance to succeed.

Good points. Gabbert was in a spread offense, but it wasn't as typical as most spreads. It was a 3-5 read offense as opposed to the 1-2 read.

I still am not sure if any QB in this draft is worth our #5 though. I'm personally not sold on any of them.

Newton does have some amazing tools though.

 

[vinnymac]

Good points. Gabbert was in a spread offense, but it wasn't as typical as most spreads. It was a 3-5 read offense as opposed to the 1-2 read.

I still am not sure if any QB in this draft is worth our #5 though. I'm personally not sold on any of them.

Newton does have some amazing tools though.

People fall for his big play with his legs. They dont realize most of his passing touchdown came later on in the game when the opposing defense was trying to stop him running the ball. Are teams willing to let Newton sit the bench and learn like Steve McNair and Aarron Rodger did. That at least would give Newton a better chance to make it in the NFL.

 

[Big Deal]

I would take Gabbert over Newton because of perceived intelligence. Both have the size and strength needed to be a starting qb. The skill sets appear to be there. However, Gabbert made the all Big 12 academic team majoring in business. Newton was kicked out of Florida for stealing a computer and cheating on a test. Additionally his father is running his career.

Successful qbs need to be able to read the defenses thrown at them. The playback has also become quite complicated. You also need to have a qb that can study film and understand a full game plan.

It will be interesting to see how they do on the Wonderlic test at the Combine.
I'm not saying that Newton is stupid but I am saying that Gabbert is smart.

What if Newton is the next Vick while Gabbert is the next Alex Smith? I pass on both and go for more of a lock on the defense. There are a lot of QBs to be had in the 2nd and 3rd rounds that you can take a chance on.

 

[Snakester]

One things for sure. They both have great talent. Gabbert's strength to me is he gets the ball out in a hurry and can make all the throws. His weakness is he is ansy in the pocket when pressured. If he had Skelton's calm in the pocket, I think he could become verry good quickly.

If Whiz and Graves aren't going to do anything to improve our offensive line then Cam Newton is the way to go. He can make things happen with his feet as well as his arm and can take more punishment than Gabbert. The guy makes things happen no matter what. I think it could take five or more years for Newton to develop because he is only a one year starter.

I think Gabbert's upside is he can be a more mobile version of Kurt Warner with the way he gets the ball out so quickly.

I think Newton will be like Vince Young without the mental breakdowns. Both these guys can be very good.

The big question is, will either one of them develop any faster than Skelton and do either one of them have any more talent than Skelton does.

 

[slinslin]

"perceived intelligence"

What a joke, that term makes me laugh everytime I see someone posting it here. Being a QB isn't rocket science anyway, passion for the game is more important.

 

[az jam]

"perceived intelligence"

What a joke, that term makes me laugh everytime I see someone posting it here. Being a QB isn't rocket science anyway, passion for the game is more important.

I didn't want to call Newton dumb. However, I think a qb needs some smarts to run a pro offense its a lot different than college. Just my opinion.

 

[desertdawg]

 

[lobo]

Good points. Gabbert was in a spread offense, but it wasn't as typical as most spreads. It was a 3-5 read offense as opposed to the 1-2 read.

I still am not sure if any QB in this draft is worth our #5 though. I'm personally not sold on any of them.

Newton does have some amazing tools though.

i like the cut of your jib...so to speak!!!! newton is built like a thoroughbred and certainly has the best arm of the group BUT i am not sold on any of them including the two guys who seem to have fallen mallet and locker..i thought locker would be a top type pick last year. i'm holdin' out for Kolb at any price and expect to be PO'd after someone else signs him!! I don't believe as said many times Orton is going anywhere..Fox/Elway ain't stupid(s)!!! I like him as well. Bulger has NOT done anything for 4/5 years...why would I rationalize him to be acceptable today??

 

[joeshmo]

People fall for his big play with his legs. They dont realize most of his passing touchdown came later on in the game when the opposing defense was trying to stop him running the ball. Are teams willing to let Newton sit the bench and learn like Steve McNair and Aarron Rodger did. That at least would give Newton a better chance to make it in the NFL.

I am not even a huge fan of the guy, just so-so on him, take him or leave him. But I seem to be sticking up for him a lot.

Anyways. Where did you get that info?

1st quarter passing td's - 8
2nd quarter passing td's - 10
3rd quarter passing td's - 5
4th quarter passing td's - 7

He actually had his best QB rating in the 1st quarter, in 2nd place was the 4th quarter. Doing well in the 4th quarter under pressure is something I like to look at. Just looked up Gabbert's 4th quarters and the guy just wilted. His completion %, TD to INT ratio, Yards per Attempt, even his rushing stats just went through the floor in the pressure situations of the 4th quarter and the pressure packed red zone area. Not a good trait to have for projecting how well he would do in the NFL.

 

[vinnymac]

I got that information by watching a few of the games.

 

[john h]

I would take Gabbert over Newton because of perceived intelligence. Both have the size and strength needed to be a starting qb. The skill sets appear to be there. However, Gabbert made the all Big 12 academic team majoring in business. Newton was kicked out of Florida for stealing a computer and cheating on a test. Additionally his father is running his career.

Successful qbs need to be able to read the defenses thrown at them. The playback has also become quite complicated. You also need to have a qb that can study film and understand a full game plan.

It will be interesting to see how they do on the Wonderlic test at the Combine.
I'm not saying that Newton is stupid but I am saying that Gabbert is smart.

Gabbert is more NFL ready than Newton. Newton may have a bigger upside but that is unknown. I think the pros will figure it out come the combine. At this point I take Gabbert. I watched many of Newton's games and indeed he is a monster runner and a game breaker. In the NFL he will be running against other monster line backers and defenders. He will have to make it on his arm more than his feet. Maybe he can and maybe he cannot? You pay your money and you take your chances.

 

[john h]

"perceived intelligence"

What a joke, that term makes me laugh everytime I see someone posting it here. Being a QB isn't rocket science anyway, passion for the game is more important.

I disagree about your take on perceived intelligence. I think an intelligent person at any position is a much better player than a brute animal who operates on instinct. In particular the QB who has to learn hundreds of plays and execute them in seconds.

 

[vinnymac]

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=232016

Here you go Joe.

Go to this link and start looking at the game drives. You will see that Cam Newton legs and his running back is a huge reason why he had success passing the ball. There are a couple of games where he didn't throw a single touchdown just ran for them.

 

[Catfish]

I find it interesting that Gabbert is being considered because of his intelligence, when as of now, (and that may be purely due to the type offense he played in), Gabbert can neither read defenses, nor does he have the ability to keep his eyes downfield once he goes on the move to escape trouble.

 

[juza76]

I find it interesting that Gabbert is being considered because of his intelligence, when as of now, (and that may be purely due to the type offense he played in), Gabbert can neither read defenses, nor does he have the ability to keep his eyes downfield once he goes on the move to escape trouble.

i heard an interview (doug and wolf show) with whisehunt and graves ,and they say what they are loooking in a player to draft.they are focused in what a player did on the field.how he was productive and how is able to win games .the intelligence on the field and not intelligence in making a great wonderlic test..i had a feeling they are interested in cam newton

 

[WarnerHOF]

Intelligence is overrated, look at Alex Smith. Football intelligence is what matters and Blaine Gabbert has none of that.

 

[Catfish]

i heard an interview (doug and wolf show) with whisehunt and graves ,and they say what they are loooking in a player to draft.they are focused in what a player did on the field.how he was productive and how is able to win games .the intelligence on the field and not intelligence in making a great wonderlic test..i had a feeling they are interested in cam newton

Despite what anyone might say about intelligence, EVERY Pro QB had better be able to read defenses, and right now, Gabbert can't.

 

[Dakota Red]

Because I watched Newton miss the same throws, in the same fashion as Scud...