Why is everyone afraid of Atlanta?

[lobo]

First of all, I don't buy the assumption that Leinart will start.

Second, Atlanta has 1½ less days to prepare for us.

Third, NO was able to run between the tackles vs. Atlanta.

Four, last time I looked, each team gets to put 11 players on the field at any given point in time. Vick nothwithstanding, I'll match up our 11 with their 11 in athletic ability anytime.

The only thing holding us back right now is what we collectively have "between the ears." Assuming we continue to play hard, our stiffest challenge will be to focus more and cut down on dumb executional mistakes (especially penalties, missed assignments and turnovers). (This is not an impossible challenge/it's just that we haven't knuckled down and cleaned these things up so far).

well said....

 

[vince56]

Why is everyone afraid of Atlanta?

Because they wear almost the exact same jerseys as us, and I know Warner will get confused again & throw 3 picks.

 

[Cheesebeef]

The only thing holding us back right now is what we collectively have "between the ears." Assuming we continue to play hard, our stiffest challenge will be to focus more and cut down on dumb executional mistakes (especially penalties, missed assignments and turnovers). (This is not an impossible challenge/it's just that we haven't knuckled down and cleaned these things up IN THE LAST 18 YEARS).[/color]

there you go Jeff - fixed that for ya!

 

[Russ Smith]

Because they wear almost the exact same jerseys as us, and I know Warner will get confused again & throw 3 picks.

But unfortunately probably true. Maybe we should change the logo and uniforms. Do some eye tests to find out what colors and shapes Kurt sees best and then pick that.

 

[Rats]

But unfortunately probably true. Maybe we should change the logo and uniforms. Do some eye tests to find out what colors and shapes Kurt sees best and then pick that.

With the way the OL has played in the 3 games and the Helmet to Helmet late hits......Stars would be the new logo....heck put them all over the uniform, he is bound to find the right guys.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

But unfortunately probably true. Maybe we should change the logo and uniforms. Do some eye tests to find out what colors and shapes Kurt sees best and then pick that.

Didn't they do some eye testing(in respect to seeing colors) on Vinny Testaverde when he was with Tampa because he was throwing so many INT's that they thought the orange uni's had something to do with it?

 

[BigDavis75]

I am scared of their D-Line. Abraham is injured a great deal but when he plays he is freaking dynamite, easily one of the best D-Ends in the NFL and Kerney is pretty good too. They also have the best pass-rusing DT in the league, Coleman vs. the interior of the line really scares me.

Plus Dunn and Norwood are probably going to do well against us even though our run D has been very good this year.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I am scared of their D-Line. Abraham is injured a great deal but when he plays he is freaking dynamite, easily one of the best D-Ends in the NFL and Kerney is pretty good too. They also have the best pass-rusing DT in the league, Coleman vs. the interior of the line really scares me.

Plus Dunn and Norwood are probably going to do well against us even though our run D has been very good this year.

Big D - do you still think that our d-line unit is one of the best in the league? I seem to remember you telling me that as a unit they were better than both Atlanta and Jacksonville.

 

[BigDavis75]

Didn't they do some eye testing(in respect to seeing colors) on Vinny Testaverde when he was with Tampa because he was throwing so many INT's that they thought the orange uni's had something to do with it?

I think Vinny was actually color blind though.

 

[BigDavis75]

Big D - do you still think that our d-line unit is one of the best in the league? I seem to remember you telling me that as a unit they were better than both Atlanta and Jacksonville.

Yes, I said I'd take their top 8 (or maybe I said 9) over theirs. Jax has very little depth and outside of Davis and occasional flashes by Babineaux the Falcons have very little depth. I think Antonio Smith is better than any backup on either team and I would take our ends over Jaxs and our depth over that of both teams.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Yes, I said I'd take their top 8 (or maybe I said 9) over theirs. Jax has very little depth and outside of Davis and occasional flashes by Babineaux the Falcons have very little depth. I think Antonio Smith is better than any backup on either team and I would take our ends over Jaxs and our depth over that of both teams.

wow.

Jaxsonville is down one of their stud DE and STILL they're D-line is a monster and Atlanta has had injuries as well and their D-line is still better than ours as well, even though we've had ZERO injuries.

What good does dpeth do you if you're starters aren't very effective? Our vaunted pass rush has how many sacks so far this year? Berry? Okeafor? We gave up over a hundo on the ground to Niners and 150 to the Seahawks who can't run on anybody and had our first good game against the Rams against the Run, even though we couldn't get to Bulger, who passed for 300 yards. But somehow as a unit, we're still better than the best two defensive lines in the league?

 

[AzCards21]

If that's how it works, we should be the MOST PO'd bunch ever...

Exactly what I'm thinking. Why the hell shouldn't we be amped up for this game?

 

[Cheesebeef]

I'm really trying to figure this out:

Atlanta - with injuries to Abraham already, has 6 sacks and has held opposing rushing offenses to 83 yards/per game

Jax - with a key injury to Hayward has 6 sacks, holding teams to 59 rushing yards per game.

But you'd rather have the Cards line, who's totally healthy, with 2 sacks total, holding teams to 105 yards on the ground per game.

Why? Even with injuries, forcing Jax and Atlanta to use this depth that apparently isn't as good as ours, both of their D-line are still MUCH BETTER than ours. So what gives?

 

[AZCB34]

I'm really trying to figure this out:

Atlanta - with injuries to Abraham already, has 6 sacks and has held opposing rushing offenses to 83 yards/per game

Jax - with a key injury to Hayward has 6 sacks, holding teams to 59 rushing yards per game.

But you'd rather have the Cards line, who's totally healthy, with 2 sacks total, holding teams to 105 yards on the ground per game.

Why? Even with injuries, forcing Jax and Atlanta to use this depth that apparently isn't as good as ours, both of their D-line are still MUCH BETTER than ours. So what gives?

They're Cardinals?

I read some crazy stuff on these boards sometimes.

 

[Rats]

I'm really trying to figure this out:

Atlanta - with injuries to Abraham already, has 6 sacks and has held opposing rushing offenses to 83 yards/per game

Jax - with a key injury to Hayward has 6 sacks, holding teams to 59 rushing yards per game.

But you'd rather have the Cards line, who's totally healthy, with 2 sacks total, holding teams to 105 yards on the ground per game.

Why? Even with injuries, forcing Jax and Atlanta to use this depth that apparently isn't as good as ours, both of their D-line are still MUCH BETTER than ours. So what gives?

Cheese, your trying to use a small sample of games (3) to make a case that the lines for those two teams are better. Things could change this weekend and it would screw your whole theory. Saying they have been better thru week 3 is accurate but what your trying to say that they are better overall is inconclusive. I would say that maybe they both have played better in those 3 games. The sample does does not show that there DLines are "MUCH BETTER" than ours. Thats what gives. 3 games is to short a sample.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Cheese, your trying to use a small sample of games (3) to make a case that the lines for those two teams are better. Things could change this weekend and it would screw your whole theory. Saying they have been better thru week 3 is accurate but what your trying to say that they are better overall is inconclusive. I would say that maybe they both have played better in those 3 games. The sample does does not show that there DLines are "MUCH BETTER" than ours. Thats what gives. 3 games is to short a sample.

it doesn't - 20 yards, and 40 yards less and at least 4 more sacks doesn't show they're much better than our Line at this point? How about Chicago who's got 8 sacks from 6 different guys and is holding teams to 82 yards rushing? What about NO who has 9 sacks from 6 different guys and is holding teams to 88 yards rushing? Can I not say that at this point they're bertter either? I mean, it's not like none of those teams actually proved their adeptness at the D-line last year right? Oh wait, every single one of them except for NO did. I guess that's just some kind of coincidence. I'm sure it's not because, well, those teams D-lines are actually better. It must be that the 3 games so far really isn't representative of anything since the Cardinals D-line has been almost as big a disappointment as Kurt Warner so far this season.

 

[Rats]

it doesn't - 20 yards, and 40 yards less and at least 4 more sacks doesn't show they're much better than our Line at this point? How about Chicago who's got 8 sacks from 6 different guys and is holding teams to 82 yards rushing? What about NO who has 9 sacks from 6 different guys and is holding teams to 88 yards rushing? Can I not say that at this point they're bertter either? I mean, it's not like none of those teams actually proved their adeptness at the D-line last year right? Oh wait, every single one of them except for NO did. I guess that's just some kind of coincidence. I'm sure it's not because, well, those teams D-lines are actually better. It must be that the 3 games so far really isn't representative of anything since the Cardinals D-line has been almost as big a disappointment as Kurt Warner so far this season.

Yes, thru 3 games this season they are better. But you stress that they are "MUCH BETTER" and hilight it like Big is an idiot for considering our DLINE . Since it is a long season and our Healthy Line could have 5 sacks of Vick next week and blow up your entire premise. I think it is inconclusive to say they are anything other than better thru 3 games.

 

[ajcardfan]

I think Atlanta starting 2-0 speaks a lot more about the parity in the NFL than it does how great Atlanta is. Remember, the Falcons were really bad the last few weeks of last season with basically the same personnel. Sure, they added Lelie, but their big innovation was moving to a college style option run play. Defenses, can, and will, adapt to that very soon.

Will ours? I'm not real confident about that. But, Atlanta IS beatable.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Yes, thru 3 games this season they are better. But you stress that they are "MUCH BETTER" and hilight it like Big is an idiot for considering our DLINE . Since it is a long season and our Healthy Line could have 5 sacks of Vick next week and blow up your entire premise. I think it is inconclusive to say they are anything other than better thru 3 games.

okay, I'm not allowed to say it, but Big is allowed to just come out and say we ARE better? How does that work?

And good lord - just because I delineate stats to try and disprove Big theory doesn't mean I'm trying to make him look like an "idiot" aas you claimed - it's called backing up your argument.

As ar as your - we could have 5 sacks of Vick and blow up my entire premise - and pigs could fall from the sky, but until then, there'sno doubting the fact that our Line haas been VERY pedestrian and a disappointment thus far, no?

 

[40yearfan]

okay, I'm not allowed to say it, but Big is allowed to just come out and say we ARE better? How does that work?

And good lord - just because I delineate stats to try and disprove Big theory doesn't mean I'm trying to make him look like an "idiot" aas you claimed - it's called backing up your argument.

As ar as your - we could have 5 sacks of Vick and blow up my entire premise - and pigs could fall from the sky, but until then, there'sno doubting the fact that our Line haas been VERY pedestrian and a disappointment thus far, no?

I just hope none of those frappin' pigs hit me on the head. Do they have wings?

 

[Redsz]

I, personally, do not find Atlata's pass rush to be that scary. There are good players on that team, but they have just one more sack than us. Just one.

Additionally, if you look at the rush defenses. The YPC given up by both teams is very similar. But I think we have faced about 20 - 30 more carries than them.

The fact that Berry hasn't recorded a sack so far is surprising. I guess I need to get the avatar mojo gong and make a change!

 

[BigDavis75]

I'm really trying to figure this out:

Atlanta - with injuries to Abraham already, has 6 sacks and has held opposing rushing offenses to 83 yards/per game

Jax - with a key injury to Hayward has 6 sacks, holding teams to 59 rushing yards per game.

But you'd rather have the Cards line, who's totally healthy, with 2 sacks total, holding teams to 105 yards on the ground per game.

Why? Even with injuries, forcing Jax and Atlanta to use this depth that apparently isn't as good as ours, both of their D-line are still MUCH BETTER than ours. So what gives?

Okay, so far we have played 3 excellent backs in Alexander, Jackson, and Gore. We are the first team to hold Jackson under 100, we held Gore under 100, and we held Alexander to under 100. That Falcons D-Line looked pretty good last night huh? What did they allow 160 yards rushing was it? That's pretty good, and did they even have a sack? Also, Abraham's performance in the first game was against a rag tag team of LTs after Wharton was hurt, you neglected to mention that huh? While our best pass-rusher has gone against Pace and Walter Jones, two of the best tackles ever to play the game, but don't let that get in the way of your Cardinal hatred.

Player for player, I'm talking 8 deep, I would take our D-Line over those two. Also, you can't factor in the injuries on their D-Lines if a player is hurt, he's not going to play so he doesn't factor in to how good a unit is.

I can keep going if you'd like.

 

[Rats]

okay, I'm not allowed to say it, but Big is allowed to just come out and say we ARE better? How does that work?

And good lord - just because I delineate stats to try and disprove Big theory doesn't mean I'm trying to make him look like an "idiot" aas you claimed - it's called backing up your argument.

As ar as your - we could have 5 sacks of Vick and blow up my entire premise - and pigs could fall from the sky, but until then, there'sno doubting the fact that our Line haas been VERY pedestrian and a disappointment thus far, no?

Yes, pedestrian I like that term..and a disappointment....speaking of which shouldn't you be on on the street corner trying to hawk a screenplay about now? It's almost 9:00 and you know they say thats when the Highrollers do bizness....Now don't get all bent out of shape I am just messing with ya.....

 

[Rats]

okay, I'm not allowed to say it, but Big is allowed to just come out and say we ARE better? How does that work?

And good lord - just because I delineate stats to try and disprove Big theory doesn't mean I'm trying to make him look like an "idiot" aas you claimed - it's called backing up your argument.

As ar as your - we could have 5 sacks of Vick and blow up my entire premise - and pigs could fall from the sky, but until then, there'sno doubting the fact that our Line haas been VERY pedestrian and a disappointment thus far, no?

I think what he said was that the talent on our line he would take over theres and that he liked our depth better.....but I could be off...Im quite sure he didn't say they were....MUCH BETTER.... than the Falcons or whomever your horse in this race is.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Okay, so far we have played 3 excellent backs in Alexander, Jackson, and Gore. We are the first team to hold Jackson under 100, we held Gore under 100, and we held Alexander to under 100.

I gave us credit for playing Jackson well, Gore still ran for over 5.4 yards per carry and was getting shut down by the Eagles last week to the tune of 3.3 yard per carry - to call him EXCELLENT is an incredible stretch - and Alexander had his best game of the season against us - and if you haven't noticed, he's been AWFUL this season, as has the entire running game for Seattle - except against us of course where they ran for 150.

That Falcons D-Line looked pretty good last night huh? What did they allow 160 yards rushing was it? That's pretty good, and did they even have a sack?

it was just as our woeful performance allowing 150 yard to Seattle who can't get untracked against anyone else. So, I see where we matched Atlanta's poor performance last night, but I havent seen the abslute shut down thhat Atlanta had in the other two games.

Also, Abraham's performance in the first game was against a rag tag team of LTs after Wharton was hurt, you neglected to mention that huh? While our best pass-rusher has gone against Pace and Walter Jones, two of the best tackles ever to play the game, but don't let that get in the way of your Cardinal hatred.

ah, and who was it that our vaunted pass rushers went up against the Niners? Oh yeah, they were MISSING two starters on the O-line- what['s the excuse there? Where was our vaunted depth when Berry was out?

Player for player, I'm talking 8 deep, I would take our D-Line over those two. Also, you can't factor in the injuries on their D-Lines if a player is hurt, he's not going to play so he doesn't factor in to how good a unit is.

I can keep going if you'd like.

And funny enough, you have yet to mention anything about Jacksonville or the Saints, or the Bears and really have shown NOTHING on the Cardinals side in the way ofany evidence whatsoever that actually shows a tangible REASON why you continue to boast us being 8-deep.

Are you going to move on to showing me why Jacksonville is worse than us at this point also, even though they have more sacks, have shown the abilityto deal with injuries and have shut the run down much better than us?

I'm waiting.