Why is Shawn Marion not in the Ring of Honor?

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I’d put Marion in the ring.

 

[GatorAZ]

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[Superbone]

They should go in together if you ask me.

 

[Mainstreet]

They should go in together if you ask me.

It's a good thought. Amare and Marion played to together and Nash is already in the Ring of Honor.

 

[Ronin]

I’d put Marion in the ring.

+1

 

[Hoop Head]

They should go in together if you ask me.

Good luck selling Marion on that. He felt under appreciated as a Sun already and now you want him to split his ROH induction with someone else?

Induct them during the same season and announce their inductions at the same time but they each deserve their own moment in the spotlight. Schedule their inductions for a home/home back to back and have a themed weekend with the mid 2000's court design and jerseys.

I went to the Nash induction a few years back and they went over their allotted time that night, going for just over 30 minutes during the halftime break when it was supposed to be 15-20 minutes. The Blazers filed a protest with the league, not sure what came of it but I know most jersey retirments/ROH inductions take place before games now with the main recipient giving their speech at halftime, so it's not as long and doesn't slow things down. I know Marion and Stoudemire don't have the same sort of legacy that Nash did but they could each fill 30 minutes on their own, easily. So separating them would be for the best.

Here is video of the Nash induction. I started the clip when he's introduced. Prior to his introduction they introduced other guests and speakers and also aired a video that was a little over a minute. They went 30 minutes pretty easily just from Nash's intro to the finish and that doesn't included the time it took to clear the court or set it up.

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[Superbone]

Good luck selling Marion on that. He felt under appreciated as a Sun already and now you want him to split his ROH induction with someone else?

Perfect. He enters the ring the same way he left the team.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Good luck selling Marion on that. He felt under appreciated as a Sun already and now you want him to split his ROH induction with someone else?

Induct them during the same season and announce their inductions at the same time but they each deserve their own moment in the spotlight. Schedule their inductions for a home/home back to back and have a themed weekend with the mid 2000's court design and jerseys.

I think that's a fair point about feeling under-appreciated but I'm not at all sure Marion would be comfortable with the spotlight solely on him. He might actually prefer having a costar there to handle a lot of the public speaking. If he has to say anything beyond "thank you Phoenix, I love you", it's a disaster in the making. I think we all know that Shawn is not the most eloquent of speakers.

 

[GatorAZ]

Either of you guys could be right but I heard something the other day that made me think he might still feel a little geared about it.

The Locked On Suns podcast (which sucks but what else is there to do?) was playing an interview from Shawn talking about the 2006 Suns. He said it was their best chance to win a title despite not having Amare (didn’t mention Amare by name but just mentioned 2006). He said they were better than Dallas but Raja and Kurt got injured and D’Antoni refused to play the bench and drained the starters (Marion played over 42mpg) and they were toast by game 5. I think it might’ve been a low key shot at Amare or maybe he just genuinely believed it. I always thought 06-07’ was the best chance.

 

[Hoop Head]

Either of you guys could be right but I heard something the other day that made me think he might still feel a little geared about it.

The Locked On Suns podcast (which sucks but what else is there to do?) was playing an interview from Shawn talking about the 2006 Suns. He said it was their best chance to win a title despite not having Amare (didn’t mention Amare by name but just mentioned 2006). He said they were better than Dallas but Raja and Kurt got injured and D’Antoni refused to play the bench and drained the starters (Marion played over 42mpg) and they were toast by game 5. I think it might’ve been a low key shot at Amare or maybe he just genuinely believed it. I always thought 06-07’ was the best chance.

I remember that year and thinking the Suns would cruise to the finals since they didn't need to go through San Antonio, since the Mavericks knocked them out in the semifinals but the Suns couldn't get out of their own way. It was like they were their own worst enemy, or D'Antoni was. D'Antoni rode everyone hard. They basically had 4 guys playing 40 minutes a game. Marion was the only guy over 40 minutes a night while Nash was at 39.9, Diaw at 39.8, and Bell at 39.6. Of course playing a lot of minutes in the playoffs should be expected but they had to come back from a 3-1 deficit in round 1 against the Lakers and then do that again in round 2 vs the Clippers. By the time they faced the Mavericks, they had no legs.

So I can see what Marion was saying, especially looking back on paper at what year might have been bet for them and the matchups were in their favor that year. If they could have gotten past Dallas then they would have ran that Miami team off the floor. I have zero doubt in that. Shaq couldn't have kept up.

Here's a look at the minute dispersement for that team in the playoffs. There's no excuse for running guys into the ground like that.

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[GatorAZ]

I remember that year and thinking the Suns would cruise to the finals since they didn't need to go through San Antonio, since the Mavericks knocked them out in the semifinals but the Suns couldn't get out of their own way. It was like they were their own worst enemy, or D'Antoni was. D'Antoni rode everyone hard. They basically had 4 guys playing 40 minutes a game. Marion was the only guy over 40 minutes a night while Nash was at 39.9, Diaw at 39.8, and Bell at 39.6. Of course playing a lot of minutes in the playoffs should be expected but they had to come back from a 3-1 deficit in round 1 against the Lakers and then do that again in round 2 vs the Clippers. By the time they faced the Mavericks, they had no legs.

So I can see what Marion was saying, especially looking back on paper at what year might have been bet for them and the matchups were in their favor that year. If they could have gotten past Dallas then they would have ran that Miami team off the floor. I have zero doubt in that. Shaq couldn't have kept up.

Here's a look at the minute dispersement for that team in the playoffs. There's no excuse for running guys into the ground like that.

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KT broke his foot in January. I don’t remember him playing those 6 minutes in the playoffs but he must’ve not been able to go or Mike thought he was too slow.

Those two games Raja missed vs Dallas were killer. Lost them both and he wasn’t really the same when he got back. Dallas got lucky.

 

[Phrazbit]

I remember that year and thinking the Suns would cruise to the finals since they didn't need to go through San Antonio, since the Mavericks knocked them out in the semifinals but the Suns couldn't get out of their own way. It was like they were their own worst enemy, or D'Antoni was. D'Antoni rode everyone hard. They basically had 4 guys playing 40 minutes a game. Marion was the only guy over 40 minutes a night while Nash was at 39.9, Diaw at 39.8, and Bell at 39.6. Of course playing a lot of minutes in the playoffs should be expected but they had to come back from a 3-1 deficit in round 1 against the Lakers and then do that again in round 2 vs the Clippers. By the time they faced the Mavericks, they had no legs.

So I can see what Marion was saying, especially looking back on paper at what year might have been bet for them and the matchups were in their favor that year. If they could have gotten past Dallas then they would have ran that Miami team off the floor. I have zero doubt in that. Shaq couldn't have kept up.

Here's a look at the minute dispersement for that team in the playoffs. There's no excuse for running guys into the ground like that.

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Mike D... in so many ways an absolutely brilliant coach, yet he is constantly foiled when his teams collapse via injury and exhaustion in the playoffs.

I can see why Marion would say that about 2006 and it not being a knock on Amare. In 2005 we lost in the WCF in 5, yeah, Johnson broke his face but even with Johnson I just don't think we were mentally tough enough for the Spurs yet. Then in 2007 we go screwed by the league, should have beaten the Spurs but that was only in the 2nd round. We would have been clear favorites over the Jazz and then the Cavs but still, we had a long way to go.

If we had gotten by Dallas in 2006 year I think we would have flattened Miami. We ran them over both meetings in the regular season, our pace and outside shooting were a terrible match up for their slow, interior focused team.

 

[Covert Rain]

I wouldn’t have a big problem with it, but I was obviously responding to Mainstreet who said that we should base his impact on what he did well and not consider what he didn’t do well.

So much this. Marion was a freak but I think people forget how frustrating it was to watch him chuck up ill advised 3's and how he couldn't be counted on when the game was on the line.

Look I wouldn't be necessarily opposed to him being up there but I am not rooting for it either.

 

[GatorAZ]

So much this. Marion was a freak but I think people forget how frustrating it was to watch him chuck up ill advised 3's and how he couldn't be counted on when the game was on the line.

Look I wouldn't be necessarily opposed to him being up there but I am not rooting for it either.

He produced statistically and did the dirty work. Every great team needs one.

There’s no SSOL with Nash, Amare and Marion (and Mike). They should all be in.

 

[Chaplin]

He produced statistically and did the dirty work. Every great team needs one.

There’s no SSOL with Nash, Amare and Marion (and Mike). They should all be in.

There's a lot of players that you can say that about -- Barbosa, Dragic, Danny Manning, Grant Hill... doesn't mean they should be in the Ring.

 

[GatorAZ]

There's a lot of players that you can say that about -- Barbosa, Dragic, Danny Manning, Grant Hill... doesn't mean they should be in the Ring.

Uh no. Only the SSOL guys I named should be in.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Either of you guys could be right but I heard something the other day that made me think he might still feel a little geared about it.

The Locked On Suns podcast (which sucks but what else is there to do?) was playing an interview from Shawn talking about the 2006 Suns. He said it was their best chance to win a title despite not having Amare (didn’t mention Amare by name but just mentioned 2006). He said they were better than Dallas but Raja and Kurt got injured and D’Antoni refused to play the bench and drained the starters (Marion played over 42mpg) and they were toast by game 5. I think it might’ve been a low key shot at Amare or maybe he just genuinely believed it. I always thought 06-07’ was the best chance.

07 was definitely their best chance. The league was REALLY down that year. There were basically three great teams. The Mavs (who were a 65 (?) win team that lost in the first round, the 61-21 Suns and the 58 win Spurs. If we beat the Spurs, we would have crushed Utah and that woeful Cleveland squad.

The 2006 squad was the little engine that could and they had the heart of a champion, but even with Raja and KT, beating that Dallas team would have been a tall task. We squeaked out Game 1 and then lost the next 4 of 5 and waiting for us in the Finals would have been a very tough matchup against Miami. Wade would have annihilated us and Shaq would have been tough to deal with down-low. Marion shouldn't forget that we got out of both LA series BARELY, both 7 game grueling series, Mavs probably would have been too. That's A LOT of wear and tear on razor thin Suns thin and Nash was running on fumes by the end of that Dallas series.

 

[Covert Rain]

There's a lot of players that you can say that about -- Barbosa, Dragic, Danny Manning, Grant Hill... doesn't mean they should be in the Ring.

This.

 

[Mainstreet]

This.

Shawn Marion played in 8 seasons for the Suns and was a 4 time all star with the team.

Compare that to what Barbosa, Dragic, Danny Manning and Grant Hill accomplished in Phoenix.

 

[Cheesewater]

Put him up there. He was a key player on some of the best Suns teams in their history and a lot of fans like him.
I can't believe how worked up people get about it. It's not Mount Rushmore. We're not putting his face on the ten dollar bill, for cripes sake.

 

[Covert Rain]

Shawn Marion played in 8 seasons for the Suns and was a 4 time all star with the team.

Compare that to what Barbosa, Dragic, Danny Manning and Grant Hill accomplished in Phoenix.

I get both sides of the argument but Amare deserves it more than Marion IMO.

 

[Mainstreet]

I get both sides of the argument but Amare deserves it more than Marion IMO.

It's not an either/or as I view it. Both are worthy.

 

[Covert Rain]

It's not an either/or as I view it. Both are worthy.

Knowing they won't include everyone the fans want it kind of is for me. It's not like the Suns were all over adding them both as soon as they were out of the league which means probably IF EVER....likely one gets up there. I could be wrong.

 

[Western Font]

I think both Amare and Marion should be there. Marion is top 10 all over the place in the Suns record book. And he did not play an empty stats role. He’s not my favorite guy but would I ever love to have prime Marion on the team now. He would fill like three holes.

Let’s enjoy it. After this it’s going to be a while.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

There's a lot of players that you can say that about -- Barbosa, Dragic, Danny Manning, Grant Hill... doesn't mean they should be in the Ring.

Cmon none of those guys combined the level of stats, the length of time played for the suns, and the team success with the player in the aggregate the way Marion did.