Why make the switch? Only the coach knows

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Why make this switch? Only the coach knows

Jun. 18, 2004

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Dennis Green, you have our attention.

Our retention? Stayed tuned.

You just named a 35-year-old running back who is a step slower and a season older the Cardinals starter.


Is it because you truly believe Emmitt Smith is the best fit for your three-wide receiver formation? Or are you simply trying to right the Shipp by lighting a fire under an overachieving 25-year-old who rushed for 830 yards last season but couldn't find his way into the end zone?

This is Denny's World, so anything's possible.

"I think (the new offense) suits his style with his ability to slice and find holes," Green said of Smith.

We want to believe him, because watching Smith's reputation suffer heat stroke in the Arizona desert has been painful. But we also know Green is a master manipulator, a skilled button-pusher and a man who will do what's necessary to weed out the faint of heart.

This isn't criticism. That philosophy translated into eight postseason trips in 10 seasons with Minnesota.

But his style has turned more than a few heads in Tempe.

Players who say the wrong things to the press find their quotes on overhead projectors in the next day's meeting.

It doesn't matter how much someone makes - hello, L.J. Shelton - if he hasn't met Green's standards, he's not starting.

But promoting Smith?

The thing about running backs is they don't age well. The best ones get knocked around on every play. If they're not running with the ball, they're executing a fake or blocking the blitz.

No one saw this coming. Not Smith. Not Marcel Shipp.

Talk about a great blindside move.

What has Green seen that we haven't?

Maybe he truly believes that Smith is the best man. No one picks up a blitz better, and in the Cardinals' new offensive scheme, that's important.

"If you want to go one on one with Anquan Boldin, Larry Fitzgerald and Bryant Johnson, good for you," Green said. "We're going to attack you as soon as you're done and start doubling people up. It gives us the opportunity to counter-punch with various ways of running the football.

"And that's where Emmitt fits in, because he's a great seam runner."

One thing is certain: This is no publicity stunt. Green, rest assured, is nobody's puppet.

We can't help but wonder how this will affect Shipp. He has spent his short pro career behaving like the consummate team player.

Thursday, he looked like a beaten man. How long can a guy's ego be treated like a blocking sled?

Even Smith, who is close to Shipp, felt bad.

"I don't know what to say to him, because I don't make these decisions," Smith said. "I don't know what he's thinking. For me and him, I've enjoyed the relationship that we've had. This is the hardest part of football. When you've been named something and all of a sudden you're no longer named that. For that to happen to him . . .

"If there was anybody I'd rather lose my position to, it would be him. Period. Because I love him just that much. He's a good person and you want to see good people do well."

Green wants the Cardinals to do well. Who knew that Green thought promoting Smith would help him achieve that goal?
 

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(1) "Players who say the wrong things to the press find their quotes on overhead projectors in the next day's meeting."

(2) If Shipp gets beaten down by a not being named starter in June then how is he going to do when he gets beat on by the Carolina defense all game and needs to get those 4 yards for the winning TD after an exhausting 50 minutes of football?
 

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vikesfan said:
(2) If Shipp gets beaten down by a not being named starter in June then how is he going to do when he gets beat on by the Carolina defense all game and needs to get those 4 yards for the winning TD after an exhausting 50 minutes of football?

vikesfan, you don't know Marcel and how much of a team player he is. He has been down this road before and it is human nature to feel beat down in the moments after it happens. What matters is how you respond to it.

Shipp has always worked hard and said he will do anything if it helps the team win. He has done it in the past and there is no reason to believe he won't do it again. He is a great special teams player and if that is his role to start the season, he will give it 100%.

I can't understand how you can even comment on Marcel as you have not been around like most of the fans to see how he has handled this in the past.
 

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If you think about it, this is the best way to break camp. Everyone is put in a situation where they can't relax for the next month. The starting line-up knows that they need to keep working hard to keep their spot. Everyone else knows that they need to step up in order to compete. Those who take the next month off will probably be in the first round of cuts.

Shipp will see plenty of time no matter if he is a backup or starter. Smith might still have some gas, but he'll need to rest more- it's the major drawback of getting older. Also, assuming that we actually play with the lead this year, there's no way that Green will keep running Emmitt for 2 quarters just to kill the clock. He'll run Shipp.
 

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quite right. ultimately the guy that is on the field first doesn't matter, it's the guy that's on the field the MOST and makes the most of it.
 

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Oran said:
If you think about it, this is the best way to break camp. Everyone is put in a situation where they can't relax for the next month. The starting line-up knows that they need to keep working hard to keep their spot. Everyone else knows that they need to step up in order to compete. Those who take the next month off will probably be in the first round of cuts.

Shipp will see plenty of time no matter if he is a backup or starter. Smith might still have some gas, but he'll need to rest more- it's the major drawback of getting older. Also, assuming that we actually play with the lead this year, there's no way that Green will keep running Emmitt for 2 quarters just to kill the clock. He'll run Shipp.

Oran,

I couldn't agree more with this line of thinking.
 

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Oran said:
If you think about it, this is the best way to break camp. Everyone is put in a situation where they can't relax for the next month. The starting line-up knows that they need to keep working hard to keep their spot. Everyone else knows that they need to step up in order to compete. Those who take the next month off will probably be in the first round of cuts.

Shipp will see plenty of time no matter if he is a backup or starter. Smith might still have some gas, but he'll need to rest more- it's the major drawback of getting older. Also, assuming that we actually play with the lead this year, there's no way that Green will keep running Emmitt for 2 quarters just to kill the clock. He'll run Shipp.

You're hitting on all 8 today Oran. Good post. :thumbup:
 

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Jim Omohundro said:
vikesfan, you don't know Marcel and how much of a team player he is. He has been down this road before and it is human nature to feel beat down in the moments after it happens. What matters is how you respond to it.

Shipp has always worked hard and said he will do anything if it helps the team win. He has done it in the past and there is no reason to believe he won't do it again. He is a great special teams player and if that is his role to start the season, he will give it 100%.

I can't understand how you can even comment on Marcel as you have not been around like most of the fans to see how he has handled this in the past.


My sentiments exactly! Shipp is a team player and a class act! Tough on and off the feild, this will not keep him down.
 

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azdad1978 said:
Why make this switch? Only the coach knows

Jun. 18, 2004

12:00 AM


Dennis Green, you have our attention.

Our retention? Stayed tuned.

You just named a 35-year-old running back who is a step slower and a season older the Cardinals starter.


Is it because you truly believe Emmitt Smith is the best fit for your three-wide receiver formation? Or are you simply trying to right the Shipp by lighting a fire under an overachieving 25-year-old who rushed for 830 yards last season but couldn't find his way into the end zone?

This is Denny's World, so anything's possible.

"I think (the new offense) suits his style with his ability to slice and find holes," Green said of Smith.

We want to believe him, because watching Smith's reputation suffer heat stroke in the Arizona desert has been painful. But we also know Green is a master manipulator, a skilled button-pusher and a man who will do what's necessary to weed out the faint of heart.

This isn't criticism. That philosophy translated into eight postseason trips in 10 seasons with Minnesota.

But his style has turned more than a few heads in Tempe.

Players who say the wrong things to the press find their quotes on overhead projectors in the next day's meeting.

It doesn't matter how much someone makes - hello, L.J. Shelton - if he hasn't met Green's standards, he's not starting.

But promoting Smith?

The thing about running backs is they don't age well. The best ones get knocked around on every play. If they're not running with the ball, they're executing a fake or blocking the blitz.

No one saw this coming. Not Smith. Not Marcel Shipp.

Talk about a great blindside move.

What has Green seen that we haven't?

Maybe he truly believes that Smith is the best man. No one picks up a blitz better, and in the Cardinals' new offensive scheme, that's important.

"If you want to go one on one with Anquan Boldin, Larry Fitzgerald and Bryant Johnson, good for you," Green said. "We're going to attack you as soon as you're done and start doubling people up. It gives us the opportunity to counter-punch with various ways of running the football.

"And that's where Emmitt fits in, because he's a great seam runner."

One thing is certain: This is no publicity stunt. Green, rest assured, is nobody's puppet.

We can't help but wonder how this will affect Shipp. He has spent his short pro career behaving like the consummate team player.

Thursday, he looked like a beaten man. How long can a guy's ego be treated like a blocking sled?

Even Smith, who is close to Shipp, felt bad.

"I don't know what to say to him, because I don't make these decisions," Smith said. "I don't know what he's thinking. For me and him, I've enjoyed the relationship that we've had. This is the hardest part of football. When you've been named something and all of a sudden you're no longer named that. For that to happen to him . . .

"If there was anybody I'd rather lose my position to, it would be him. Period. Because I love him just that much. He's a good person and you want to see good people do well."

Green wants the Cardinals to do well. Who knew that Green thought promoting Smith would help him achieve that goal?
If no one saw it coming you would have to be really stupid. Remeber DG wanted to draft Kevin Jones in the 2nd round or did that slip your mind.

Allan???
 

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If no one saw it coming you would have to be really stupid. Remeber DG wanted to draft Kevin Jones in the 2nd round or did that slip your mind.

Allan???

If that is true, I am a frickin moron and I am surrounded by morons on this board.

Bobcat, I nominate you for President of Foresight. :thumbup: :rolleyes:
 

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Jim Omohundro said:
If that is true, I am a frickin moron and I am surrounded by morons on this board.

Bobcat, I nominate you for President of Foresight. :thumbup: :rolleyes:

Jim you just proved my point that you really have little of anything to add to this forum. Kevin Jones was on NFL network a few weeks back when asked on how he felt about being drafted in the first round. he stated "That he was on the phone with the Arizona Cardinals being asked if he would like to play for the Cards when he got another call on his other Phone from the team that drafted him in the first round. So appologize for you stupid uninfromed comments JO..!!!!!!!!!!!!! i really take offense when you take a back handed comment about me. We need to get together someday. You have the wrong impression about me. But I must have the right impressiom about you.

Allan :stupid: :stupid: :stupid: :stupid: :stupid:
 

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Bobcat said:
Jim you just proved my point that you really have little of anything to add to this forum. Kevin Jones was on NFL network a few weeks back when asked on how he felt about being drafted in the first round. he stated "That he was on the phone with the Arizona Cardinals being asked if he would like to play for the Cards when he got another call on his other Phone from the team that drafted him in the first round. So appologize for you stupid uninfromed comments JO..!!!!!!!!!!!!! i really take offense when you take a back handed comment about me. We need to get together someday. You have the wrong impression about me. But I must have the right impressiom about you.

Allan :stupid: :stupid: :stupid: :stupid: :stupid:

You basically called everyone who was surprised by Emmitt's elevation stupid. All I said is if that is true, there are many stupid people here because I think everyone was surprised. I have a hard time believing that you saw this coming but I can't argue with a supposed thought in your head because only you know.

I, for one, was very surprised at this move. I think that 99% of the people on this board were surprised that Emmitt was the one to replace Marcel.

You say that you have proven your point that I have nothing to add to the board, I am curious to find out when you initially made that claim.
 

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Bobcat said:
Jim you just proved my point that you really have little of anything to add to this forum. Kevin Jones was on NFL network a few weeks back when asked on how he felt about being drafted in the first round. he stated "That he was on the phone with the Arizona Cardinals being asked if he would like to play for the Cards when he got another call on his other Phone from the team that drafted him in the first round. So appologize for you stupid uninfromed comments JO..!!!!!!!!!!!!! i really take offense when you take a back handed comment about me. We need to get together someday. You have the wrong impression about me. But I must have the right impressiom about you.

Allan :stupid: :stupid: :stupid: :stupid: :stupid:

my God man - I thought VF was banned? Was this really necessary?
 

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:cool: On Sunday Sept 12 at 1:00 PM when they kickoff in St Louis, Marcell Shipp will be the starting running back for the Cardinals and Emmitt Smith will be his back up. Mark it on the calendar. This is written in stone.
 

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azsports said:
:cool: On Sunday Sept 12 at 1:00 PM when they kickoff in St Louis, Marcell Shipp will be the starting running back for the Cardinals and Emmitt Smith will be his back up. Mark it on the calendar. This is written in stone.

Would you like to make a freindly wager? Say a jersey of the winner's choice?
 

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Bobcat said:
Jim you just proved my point that you really have little of anything to add to this forum. Kevin Jones was on NFL network a few weeks back when asked on how he felt about being drafted in the first round. he stated "That he was on the phone with the Arizona Cardinals being asked if he would like to play for the Cards when he got another call on his other Phone from the team that drafted him in the first round. So appologize for you stupid uninfromed comments JO..!!!!!!!!!!!!! i really take offense when you take a back handed comment about me. We need to get together someday. You have the wrong impression about me. But I must have the right impressiom about you.

Allan :stupid: :stupid: :stupid: :stupid: :stupid:
:wtf: :banned:
 

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Bobcat said:
Jim you just proved my point that you really have little of anything to add to this forum. Kevin Jones was on NFL network a few weeks back when asked on how he felt about being drafted in the first round. he stated "That he was on the phone with the Arizona Cardinals being asked if he would like to play for the Cards when he got another call on his other Phone from the team that drafted him in the first round. So appologize for you stupid uninfromed comments JO..!!!!!!!!!!!!! i really take offense when you take a back handed comment about me. We need to get together someday. You have the wrong impression about me. But I must have the right impressiom about you.

Allan :stupid: :stupid: :stupid: :stupid: :stupid:

Bobcat: settle. He was referring to this comment:

If no one saw it coming you would have to be really stupid.

If you saw it coming that Emmitt Smith was going to be promoted over Marcel Shipp, good for you. You won't find a bigger skeptic on Marcel Shipp than I, but not even I saw this coming.

If you're stupid if you didn't see Emmitt Smith being promoted over Shipp at this point, after Denny said that Marcel would gain 1000 yards and 7 TDs (lofty goals, I know), there are many, many stupid people on this board.
 

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Jim Omohundro said:
I am INCREDIBLY stupid! :D :thumbup: ;)

Well, yeah. But that's for reasons totally different than what bobcat's saying.

:D

Excuse me, while I go get banned.

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Man, there's something in the air today. VF's banning, Skkorp calling out K9, Bobcat flying off the handle.

What fun!
 

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Man, there's something in the air today. VF's banning, Skkorp calling out K9, Bobcat flying off the handle.

What fun!
i got a shrek 2 watch in my Coco Puffs today...
 

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Oran said:
VF got banned again? Is there a three strikes policy on this board?

:eek: I hope not.

Seriously, though, yeah. According the the P&R Board, he's banned for life.
 

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