Why the pick and roll?

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I have some questions for your consideration. Why the pick and roll (also known as the screen and roll)?

It is a 2-part play. A player on offense blocks a defender so his teammate can have a clear shot. That is the pick. It is not football. It doesn't require the heaviest player to set it.

Then that player, usually the Center, has to get to his territory under the basket to be in his best position to score. We've seen that, because of how long the Suns offense keeps DeAndre Ayton out by the 3- point line, he has to ultimately drive through traffic to get to his place on the court. And it is not working!

Question #1: Why the pick and roll? Why not just the pick? Which leads to Question #2.

Why does it have to be the Center setting the pick in Guard shooting territory, then having to get to his position nearer the basket to score or rebound? As it is, the Center has to wind up under the basket on offense and defense -- a full court trip on every set. Guards only have to travel 1/3 of the court to be in the backcourt on offense and defense.

Why can't Wings set picks for each other? Or Guards? Then they'll be in the area to do what they normally do. Score or drive from outside.

Does it really make sense for the Center, whose position is down low, to spend at least half of every shot clock out of position to do what he can do best? Dominate when he is down low because of his height and weight.

This is more than just philosophy. This is about using Ayton to his best advantage, which is the coach's job. To make it simpler for his Center by not being out of position on every offensive set.

Especially since our coach's plays spend too much wasted time on offense, both on the pick and roll and the weave.

Your opinions?
 

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Early in the year a few times I saw TJ do some screens instead of Ayton, and Ayton was actually free. Then if the guard swung the ball to TJ, TJ could actually create and score. I've only seen it a few times too but it looked effective. I just don't get why we keep running the same crap over and over, especially that stupid perimeter weave that does absolutely nothing but waste the clock.
 

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The "weave" doesn't accomplish "nothing". You can tell if they are switching their defense or staying in man.

The center screens to get switches and easy buckets. But other than Booker, who is the defense afraid of? No one on the Suns really, other than maybe Ayton. Sometimes they switch the small onto Ayton and a small percentage of that leads to a score by Ayton. Not due to offense design (the most common offense in the league) but because of inexperience/current lack of honed skills by the players. They can have someone else screen. It would mean Ayton goes to the block and gets pushed right back out. You clearly don't watch the games if you think otherwise. I am sure the coaches are trying to teach strength and are failing. The best defender is already on Booker. They either stay in man, double team off the screen, or switch - the easiest option for Booker to score, assuming a less capable defender.

If you know of an offense designed for one scorer and 4 low skill (and at times high energy) but hopefully improving players, let them know. I think they are stuck with teaching the proper way and letting it develop rather than attempt to change to something more complicated. The coaching staff, whoever it may be, have a lot of raw materials and a long road ahead.
 

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What I see Ayton doing a lot is go high and slip the pick (running towards the basket before actually setting a hard pick). The defender always seems to anticipate this and doesn’t switch.

The defense doesn’t play the pick P&R because the offense hasn’t yet mastered it.

The ball handler and Ayton NEED to master and SELL the P&R, so that the defenders are forced to defend against it. Like AZSportsFan says, the defense will then either need to decide to stay on their man, switch, or double-team one of the players. When the defense makes the wrong decision, the offense can exploit it.

The reason why a successfull P&R usually involves a big man is that it can force the defense to switch the smaller defender onto the big man, which leads to a pass and basket that’s difficult for both defenders to defend. Once they can do this and make the defense fear the P&R, this will open up options for ALL offensive players. When the defense plays the pick and roll, Ayton can start to occasionally slip the pick or pick and pop (he has the range). Ballhandler can take the pick (or not) and shoot or drive, or he can split the defenders. This will not only open a lot of things up just for the two-man game. It would also open things up for other spot up shooters in the offense and other players to flash the basket. It would be amazing once they can master this. I think Ayton would be a good starting point for this.

I wish they can get Nash and Amare to come in to show them a bit of how it’s done.
 

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