Why will Murray fail?

[CardsSunsDbacks]

he was really bad when the game mattered and did nothing until his team was down 21 points against Bama.

And Brown played in that game.

Yeah you are right about Brown. I remembered he was injured, but he doesn't even show up in the box score so I didn't think he played.

As for Murray he had a poor first 2 possessions and his defense turned that into an immediate 21-0 hole. Hard to blame a player for having a bit of a slow start against the best team/defense he had faced all season long. Alabama is a very well coached team and they came out with an excellent game plan and it took Murray a couple possessions to adjust.

 

[dscher]

He had a solid performance against Alabama and that was with a lot of his team being outmatched and with his #1 receiving target being out with injury. They really needed Brown's ability to stretch the field against that defense, but Murray still had a solid performance despite all of that.

Down 28-0 before he could even blink doesn't help either.. iirc, he actually put a little pressure on that big lead as well. No mention of that though. Oh well.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Andrew Luck had 2 very good seasons and a decent freshman year How many did Murray have?Last i looked it was one.

One in which he played better than Luck ever did and he actually competed for a national title.

Luck is a good QB, but he might not ever meet his potential because he takes too many unnecessary hits.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Being and RB isn't being a QB. And Marshawn's handling of the media was a distraction and one of the reasons he was sent away from Buffalo.

Who are the very shy QBs who have had NFL success. Maybe it's not causative, but...



So does it matter that USC hasn't created great QBs, or not? Is this going to be like your argument that talented QBs bring WINZ to their college programs by themselves — hastily made and abandoned under the slightest scrutiny?

Does the program matter, or not? If it's the air raid, here's a fun list of QBs who come from that system:

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How many of those guys were 5 star recruits playing at major programs? I understand that 5 star doesn't mean much after awhile, but most of those guys played at mid-majors or lower tier major programs.

The Air Raid at big time schools is a new thing.

And I didn't abandon the talented QBs bring wins arguments. Outside of Mahomes, I don't think you'll find any other QB that starts in the NFL that didn't win in college, and by win, I mean 8+ wins a year. You throw ONE name out and that invalidates an argument. Weak sauce.

 

[kerouac9]

One in which he played better than Luck ever did and he actually competed for a national title.

Luck is a good QB, but he might not ever meet his potential because he takes too many unnecessary hits.

Or maybe Murray was playing with a bunch of dudes who made it into Oklahoma and Luck was playing with a bunch of dudes who got into Stanford.

The second best player on Lucks offense was Stepfan Taylor. GFO with this stuff.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Or maybe Murray was playing with a bunch of dudes who made it into Oklahoma and Luck was playing with a bunch of dudes who got into Stanford.

The second best player on Lucks offense was Stepfan Taylor. GFO with this stuff.

Yeah Zach Ertz TOTALLY SUCKS as does David DeCastro (hmmm...both Pro Bowlers), Coby Fleener, Ty Montgomery....quite a few draft picks....and in Luck's case, we have the ability to see how these guys have done in the NFL.

 

[kerouac9]

How many of those guys were 5 star recruits playing at major programs? I understand that 5 star doesn't mean much after awhile, but most of those guys played at mid-majors or lower tier major programs.

The Air Raid at big time schools is a new thing.

And I didn't abandon the talented QBs bring wins arguments. Outside of Mahomes, I don't think you'll find any other QB that starts in the NFL that didn't win in college, and by win, I mean 8+ wins a year. You throw ONE name out and that invalidates an argument. Weak sauce.

Jay Cutler.
Phil Rivers won 8 games his last season at NC State if you count his bowl game.
Nick Foles.
Jared Goff won 8 games if you count his bowl game.
Trubisky needed a November matchup against the Citadel to win his 8th game of the year.

Some real scrubs there.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

It was good enough that 4 got drafted. I watched a different game than you. i saw a dude who came in thinking he was going to do the same thing he did against all of the other college teams he played, and did not prepare for how they were going to scheme against him. He looked unprepared coming into the biggest game of his college career. He looked like he did not spend time scouting the defensive talent that he was going to go up against, and how he would need to adjust to beat it. If you are a hard working , perfectionist, college QB, who do you go into a game without understanding what Alabama can do as a defense. He looked like he didn't prepare for how Alabama was going to rush him and ran into a bunch of sacks because he couldn't out-athlete the field.

Are you really going to try to tell us that, by watching the AL game, you have a good read on what Murray was privately thinking about the game?

WTF Chopper.

 

[kerouac9]

Are you really going to try to tell us that, by watching the AL game, you have a good read on what Murray was privately thinking about the game?

WTF Chopper.

This is a compelling argument with no evidence that is representative of the content-free tongue-clicks that come from the Murray stans on the board of late.

 

[dscher]

This is a compelling argument with no evidence that is representative of the content-free tongue-clicks that come from the Murray stans on the board of late.

What evidence does he need to ask a question? Silly. Especially when it's in regards to someone throwing poo on the wall and seeing if it sticks..

 

[Krangodnzr]

Jay Cutler.
Phil Rivers won 8 games his last season at NC State if you count his bowl game.
Nick Foles.
Jared Goff won 8 games if you count his bowl game.
Trubisky needed a November matchup against the Citadel to win his 8th game of the year.

Some real scrubs there.

1. Jay Cutler proves my point. He was a loser in college and a loser in the NFL.
2. Nick Foles won 8, 7, 4.....And has bounced around the NFL....not actually disproving what I am saying.
3. Philip Rivers won 8, 7, 11, 8 games. Bowl games count.
4. 8 + wins I said.
5. Trubisky? LOL. Do you forget what you say? The other day you said he was a middling NFL QB....and he also won at least 8 games.

 

[Krangodnzr]

This is a compelling argument with no evidence that is representative of the content-free tongue-clicks that come from the Murray stans on the board of late.

LOL and you haven't made really one compelling argument against Murray other than lack of sample size. All the rest of your arguments require telepathy and crystal balls to prove.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

1st - He was the runner-up twice. Murray wasn't even in the collective's thought process during any of his college years. That's consistency, it's not his fault that two other guys had really amazing performances that warranted more flash in the voting. It did not change the national perception that he was still the destined #1 overall pick and the best QB in years.

2nd - Since I knew we were nitpicking here, I said "comfortable in the face of adversity." Luck did not have the best teams, but he came in as a freshman, beat out the incumbent starting QB, and never looked back. Murray came into an open competition for the job, lost, and took his ball and left to another school. He then also proceeded not to participate in most of the relevant workouts, unlike Luck. Murray has also only lost two games in his career. He hasn't faced Luck's adversity, and it's a true red flag.

3rd - I've watched the tape, and I haven't seen enough of it. Most of the good stuff comes from two amazing WRs. I'm not doubting Murray has some good/great traits, I'm just expressing my doubt with so much talent around him.

4th - Hey, I mentioned my source, Heisman.com. Tell them to go update it.

5th - I saw your apology, so we're good, but I'm not burning down the Cardinals, or even Kyler. I'm just expressing severe doubt that he's going to crap rainbows and unicorns on gameday like some of you are.

Thanks for graciously accepting my apology.

Solar7, may I ask you to please acknowledge that Murray now represents your Cardinals?

Will you acknowledge that he's going to do everything in his power to win games for ARZ, and to eventually bring a championship back to the desert?

Will you please just give him a chance sir?

 

[Cheesebeef]

Yeah Zach Ertz TOTALLY SUCKS as does David DeCastro (hmmm...both Pro Bowlers), Coby Fleener, Ty Montgomery....quite a few draft picks....and in Luck's case, we have the ability to see how these guys have done in the NFL.

you're not REALLY trying to equate the level of talent at OU and Stanford, are you?

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Being and RB isn't being a QB. And Marshawn's handling of the media was a distraction and one of the reasons he was sent away from Buffalo.

Who are the very shy QBs who have had NFL success. Maybe it's not causative, but...



So does it matter that USC hasn't created great QBs, or not? Is this going to be like your argument that talented QBs bring WINZ to their college programs by themselves — hastily made and abandoned under the slightest scrutiny?

Does the program matter, or not? If it's the air raid, here's a fun list of QBs who come from that system:

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Wow. This is getting so ridiculous.

K9, you seldom respond to my posts, but I'll try this one time anyway.

Have you watched Murray's 2018 season film recap/summary?

What I would really like to know sir, is what you saw, and what you thought, when you watched every throw, and every run Murray made during 2018.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Being and RB isn't being a QB. And Marshawn's handling of the media was a distraction and one of the reasons he was sent away from Buffalo.

Who are the very shy QBs who have had NFL success. Maybe it's not causative, but...



So does it matter that USC hasn't created great QBs, or not? Is this going to be like your argument that talented QBs bring WINZ to their college programs by themselves — hastily made and abandoned under the slightest scrutiny?

Does the program matter, or not? If it's the air raid, here's a fun list of QBs who come from that system:

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You’re missing a BIG key element in posting that list . . . how many of them joined teams looking to implement air raid? Uh . . . ?

 

[Krangodnzr]

you're not REALLY trying to equate the level of talent at OU and Stanford, are you?

Find one quote where I am.

Kerouac is stating that Luck didn't have talent. That Stanford Cardinal team is oozing with talent. Didn't even mention Jonathan Martin, Levine Toiolo (or however you spell his name), and a few others.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Thanks for graciously accepting my apology.

Solar7, may I ask you to please acknowledge that Murray now represents your Cardinals?

Will you acknowledge that he's going to do everything in his power to win games for ARZ, and to eventually bring a championship back to the desert?

Will you please just give him a chance sir?

Dude, Solar doesn’t have to do that. You sound like Trump asking for pledges of loyalty.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Find one quote where I am.

Kerouac is stating that Luck didn't have talent. That Stanford Cardinal team is oozing with talent. Didn't even mention Jonathan Martin, Levine Toiolo (or however you spell his name), and a few others.

he's saying he didn't have anywhere NEAR the talent Murray did and you know it. And you know that's true.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Wow. This is getting so ridiculous.

K9, you seldom respond to my posts, but I'll try this one time anyway.

Have you watched Murray's 2018 season film recap/summary?

What I would really like to know sir, is what you saw, and what you thought, when you watched every throw, and every run Murray made during 2018.

Not one of the anti-Murray crowd have ever once criticized his actual play. The criticize things that require telepathy to prove. They criticize his handling of interviews. The say his daddy is too involved, even though I've never heard Kevin Murray speak. They criticize what toppings he like on his cheeseburgers, but they don't criticize how Murray throws a football.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Dude, Solar doesn’t have to do that. You sound like Trump asking for pledges of loyalty.

he sounds like a cultist... just like a lot of the guy's followers you mention above.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

you're not REALLY trying to equate the level of talent at OU and Stanford, are you?

Krang has a point. Those guys might not have been viewed as highly as the current Oklahoma crew, but we have hindsight with them that proves how talented they were in actuality. The Oklahoma group is all projected talent until we see them perform similarly at the nfl level.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

he's saying he didn't have anywhere NEAR the talent Murray did and you know it. And you know that's true.

Again if the argument is “near” I think you’re wrong. Luck had an unreal amount of talent on the offensive line and TE and pretty good talent elsewhere. That was not tour typical Stanford team.

 

[Krangodnzr]

he's saying he didn't have anywhere NEAR the talent Murray did and you know it. And you know that's true.

Luck had tons of talent at Stanford, and he had a hell of a lot more defensive talent. Kerouac is acting like Luck played at NW Connecticut State, when he played with Pro Bowl players like David DeCastro (who I think is better than any of those OU lineman), Jonathan Martin, Zach Ertz, Ty Montgomery, Coby Fleener (1st round pick), and a host of others.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Not one of the anti-Murray crowd have ever once criticized his actual play. The criticize things that require telepathy to prove. They criticize his handling of interviews. The say his daddy is too involved, even though I've never heard Kevin Murray speak. They criticize what toppings he like on his cheeseburgers, but they don't criticize how Murray throws a football.

he sucked so much that he lost his first starting job in college. Then, had one AMAZING season. Admittedly, but to try and argue he's a transcendent talent after one year, playing on an absolutely stacked team that collectively crapped the bed the first time they played a great team is ridiculous. As is completely ignoring the history of the game that size does have an impact as far as the QB position is considered.

Do any of those things means he's going to SUCK? ABSOLUTELY NOT. But to completely blow them off as legitimate concerns is burying your head so far in the sand that you've basically reached the Trench from Aquaman.