Why wouldn't the Cards FO shell out an extra 2 mil a year for a SB ring?

[gohard83]

Warner CLEARLY was the reason why you guys went to the SB last season. You could say that Fitz was a big reason but both Fitz and boldin looked better with Warner than Leinart. What I don't understand is why wouldn't the Cards FO shell out a little extra for your SB QB??? EVERYONE is overpaid in the FA, EVERYONE. Even 37 year old Kerry Collins got 8 mil a year and Warner had 18 TDs more than him.

Does a Superbowl ring means ANYTHING to the Cardinals' owner? 2 millions extra a year is pennies for a SB title don't you guys think?

 

[PoolBoy]

when we have other needs to address, I feel Warner should be taking the 10 mil we offered him.

the only way i see the Cards FO being in the wrong is if indeed like some reports say, we offered him a 10 mil a year with a TEAM OPTION for the second year. that would be wrong.

 

[Brewster10]

Didnt know we were guarenteed a ring if we sign him...

Anyway, it's not 2 million, it's more like 4 million and alot more guarenteed money.

You say everyone is overpaid in FA, so does that make it smart to participate in that overpaying?

Can't think of a team that made constant big money FA signings and won a Superbowl..

 

[Mitch]

Warner CLEARLY was the reason why you guys went to the SB last season. You could say that Fitz was a big reason but both Fitz and boldin looked better with Warner than Leinart. What I don't understand is why wouldn't the Cards FO shell out a little extra for your SB QB??? EVERYONE is overpaid in the FA, EVERYONE. Even 37 year old Kerry Collins got 8 mil a year and Warner had 18 TDs more than him.

Does a Superbowl ring means ANYTHING to the Cardinals' owner? 2 millions extra a year is pennies for a SB title don't you guys think?

Good post. That is the $2-3M question.

And the $5M the Bidwills save on the cap every year will be sitting there collecting interest. You can rest assured.

 

[Diamondback Jay]

Warner CLEARLY was the reason why you guys went to the SB last season. You could say that Fitz was a big reason but both Fitz and boldin looked better with Warner than Leinart. What I don't understand is why wouldn't the Cards FO shell out a little extra for your SB QB??? EVERYONE is overpaid in the FA, EVERYONE. Even 37 year old Kerry Collins got 8 mil a year and Warner had 18 TDs more than him.

Does a Superbowl ring means ANYTHING to the Cardinals' owner? 2 millions extra a year is pennies for a SB title don't you guys think?

If it was that simple, Warner would have been signed by now. Also, it's not 2 million holding up the deal, it's 4 million and a bigger upfront bonus, which could wind up screwing the team financially in terms of signing other pending free agents.

 

[O]

Warner CLEARLY was the reason why you guys went to the SB last season.

The last time I checked, it was a team sport.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Warner CLEARLY was the reason why you guys went to the SB last season. You could say that Fitz was a big reason but both Fitz and boldin looked better with Warner than Leinart. What I don't understand is why wouldn't the Cards FO shell out a little extra for your SB QB??? EVERYONE is overpaid in the FA, EVERYONE. Even 37 year old Kerry Collins got 8 mil a year and Warner had 18 TDs more than him.

Does a Superbowl ring means ANYTHING to the Cardinals' owner? 2 millions extra a year is pennies for a SB title don't you guys think?

What if 50 other players did the same thing? Should the Cards spend an extra $100M on a Superbowl ring?

 

[Diamondback Jay]

Didnt know we were guarenteed a ring if we sign him...

Anyway, it's not 2 million, it's more like 4 million and alot more guarenteed money.

You say everyone is overpaid in FA, so does that make it smart to participate in that overpaying?

Can't think of a team that made constant big money FA signings and won a Superbowl..

The two teams I can think of who have been huge free agent spenders have been the Redskins and Raiders. The Raiders have sucked miserably since 2003 and the Redskins haven't exactly set the world on fire themselves.

You want to look at a model franchise? The Steelers and Patriots generally remain quiet in free agency, with the exception of a few splashes here and there. In fact, those teams have more been known for letting names GO rather than bringing them in.

 

[gohard83]

Didnt know we were guarenteed a ring if we sign him...

Anyway, it's not 2 million, it's more like 4 million and alot more guarenteed money.

You say everyone is overpaid in FA, so does that make it smart to participate in that overpaying?

Can't think of a team that made constant big money FA signings and won a Superbowl..

Warner won you the biggest game of your fanhood didn't he? you guys got the NFC Champs Title with him behind center. I don't understand why fans and the owner aren't giving this guy any respect.

To me, 2 mil a year is WORTH the risk unless you don't want a Superbowl title. That's all I'm saying.

 

[abomb]

You realize wealthy people stay wealthy by mitigating risk and not overspending?

That is what poor people do and I'd bet 95% of this board's teams would go broke inside of two seasons.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

You realize wealthy people stay wealthy by mitigating risk and not overspending?

That is what poor people do and I'd bet 95% of this board's teams would go broke inside of two seasons.

You speak the truth.

 

[Cards232]

The two teams I can think of who have been huge free agent spenders have been the Redskins and Raiders. The Raiders have sucked miserably since 2003 and the Redskins haven't exactly set the world on fire themselves.

You want to look at a model franchise? The Steelers and Patriots generally remain quiet in free agency, with the exception of a few splashes here and there. In fact, those teams have more been known for letting names GO rather than bringing them in.

And how much are those SB qb's making? Was it a risk paying Brady that much knowing he could get injured? There's risk, & then there's calculated risk. The successful are masters of the latter.

 

[Diamondback Jay]

And how much are those SB qb's making?

And how old are those Super Bowl QBs again?

 

[Brewster10]

Warner won you the biggest game of your fanhood didn't he? you guys got the NFC Champs Title with him behind center. I don't understand why fans and the owner aren't giving this guy any respect.

To me, 2 mil a year is WORTH the risk unless you don't want a Superbowl title. That's all I'm saying.

Stop repeating the same false information you started the thread with... it's been pointed out 3-4 times, that it's 4-6 million more, not 2...

 

[gohard83]

The two teams I can think of who have been huge free agent spenders have been the Redskins and Raiders. The Raiders have sucked miserably since 2003 and the Redskins haven't exactly set the world on fire themselves.

You want to look at a model franchise? The Steelers and Patriots generally remain quiet in free agency, with the exception of a few splashes here and there. In fact, those teams have more been known for letting names GO rather than bringing them in.

Raiders have only been a big spender last year. Redskins did better than everyone thought they would last season. I just don't understand why would you want to lose your team's MVP especially a QB over a measly 2 mil./year.

I understand why Warner feels like he isn't respected within the organization. It's no coincidence that Boldin is feeling the same way.


I've been on this forum for a while and I could never figure out you guys diss Boldin and now Warner so much.

 

[PoolBoy]

isn't this guy a Steeler fan? does a superbowl title get boring that quickly?

 

[gohard83]

Stop repeating the same false information you started the thread with... it's been pointed out 3-4 times, that it's 4-6 million more, not 2...

I thought you guys offered him 12 mil/year. The 49ers aren't paying anything more than 14 mil. They are still working on Patrick Willis' long term deal because they want him as a lifetime 49er.

 

[Cards232]

And how old are those Super Bowl QBs again?

And how old was Brady as Warner went to the SB THIS year. Age is irrelevant. Performance is the only thing that matters when looking at a 2 year contract. If Warner was looking for a 10 year contract, that might a different issue but Warner was only looking for a 2 year commitment. Are the odds better for the Cards to return to the SB for the next 2 years w/ Warner (w/ all the chemistry, confidence, knowledge, etc.), or w/o him? Thus, his age is really irrelevant.

 

[gohard83]

And how old was Brady as Warner went to the SB THIS year. Age is irrelevant. Performance is the only thing that matters when looking at a 2 year contract. If Warner was looking for a 10 year contract, that might a different issue but Warner was only looking for a 2 year commitment. Are the odds better for the Cards to return to the SB for the next 2 years w/ Warner (w/ all the chemistry, confidence, knowledge, etc.), or w/o him? Thus, his age is really irrelevant.

Brady is 31 and Peyton is 32. Not a big difference. Plus Kurt Warner rode the bench for a few years before last season and he entered the NFL late so he still has good milage on him. He's good to go for another 2 seasons.

 

[40yearfan]

You realize wealthy people stay wealthy by mitigating risk and not overspending?

That is what poor people do and I'd bet 95% of this board's teams would go broke inside of two seasons.

You'd better make that 98%.

 

[joeshmo]

Good post. That is the $2-3M question.

And the $5M the Bidwills save on the cap every year will be sitting there collecting interest. You can rest assured.

Seen that 5 mill in cap space line used a couple of itmes and it doesnt hold any water.

The cap is only a form of accounting with wierd math. It does not say what a team spends overall on player salary, and the Cards over the last 5 years average out into the top 10 of total payroll salary. 5 mill in cap doesnt go in anyones pocket becuase it doesnt tell you how much a team actually spent tha year. A team would have only 1 more dollar to use but becasue they have dead cap space or something else we actually spent more money on players then they did. A team could have 10 mill more in cap space to use and ahve spent more total money. We all need to stop usig the cap as a way to figure out how much a team spent becuase it doesnt work that way.

 

[joeshmo]

Brady is 31 and Peyton is 32. Not a big difference. Plus Kurt Warner rode the bench for a few years before last season and he entered the NFL late so he still has good milage on him. He's good to go for another 2 seasons.

Starting the NFL late doesnt really fly becuase he spent some years in NFLE and the arena league. He still has 38 year old tires on his legs. Its like tires just because they only have 10,000 miles on them doesnt mean they will hold up if they were just sitting there rotting for 5 years.

 

[Assface]

Starting the NFL late doesnt really fly becuase he spent some years in NFLE and the arena league. He still has 38 year old tires on his legs. Its like tires just because they only have 10,000 miles on them doesnt mean they will hold up if they were just sitting there rotting for 5 years.

Yup. I've been seeing "not a lot of wear" type of comments lately. Derrick Ward, Warner, etc. I think that logic only applies to guys aging faster, like a RB with a heavy workload. I'm about to turn 31 in a few weeks and I sure as hell don't feel the same as I did in my 20's and that's without taking the abuse these guys do. I don't buy the argument that backups have a longer shelf life.

 

[Ryanwb]

The title of this thread is a little over the top.

 

[Sandan]

I think backups do last a little longer but time simply catches up with you.

At 30, you start to go downhill, at least that was what I thought at 30. When I got to 40 realized 30 was just a blip, don't ask how I feel at 50.

Kurt is 38 and nothing is going to change that or make it better. He will not be as good this year as he was last.