Will Suns make a move before the trade deadline?

[Krangodnzr]

A trade for a smaller contract player, i.e., Tyus Jones, makes the most sense if the Suns want to go that direction.

The issue here is that the Suns would likely have to trade Melton/Okobo and the Bucks pick for him. Even though Melton plays more, I'd be more inclined to trade him.

 

[Mainstreet]

The issue here is that the Suns would likely have to trade Melton/Okobo and the Bucks pick for him. Even though Melton plays more, I'd be more inclined to trade him.

How about Melton and the Suns second round pick for Jones but the Bucks pick sounds more realistic.

 

[slinslin]

Ditching Anderson for an expiring is something the Suns need to do if they are serious about free agency

 

[Mainstreet]

Ditching Anderson for an expiring is something the Suns need to do if they are serious about free agency

Anderson has another year on his contract so the Suns would have to sweeten the deal.

 

[Hoop Head]

Anderson has another year on his contract so the Suns would have to sweeten the deal.

The only chance of that happening is including our own pick which would be stupid. There is a small chance another team might take on his contract at the draft for a combo of the Bucks pick and maybe something else. I doubt that happens but I think that is more likely than at the deadline.

 

[sunsfan88]

The only chance of that happening is including our own pick which would be stupid. There is a small chance another team might take on his contract at the draft for a combo of the Bucks pick and maybe something else. I doubt that happens but I think that is more likely than at the deadline.

I don’t even think that would be worth it. Not that I think of the Bucks pick as some great asset or something but the Suns aren’t going to be players for any of big money guys and will likely have to settle for the mid/low tier guys.

The Suns aren’t gonna be in the Durant/Kyrie etc sweepstakes and will likely instead be in the Rubio/Rozier/maybe Russel sweepstakes and there should be enough cap room from Chandler’s expiring and Rivers’ expiring for that.

 

[Mainstreet]

The only chance of that happening is including our own pick which would be stupid. There is a small chance another team might take on his contract at the draft for a combo of the Bucks pick and maybe something else. I doubt that happens but I think that is more likely than at the deadline.

I don't think Anderson's contract would draw any takers even with the Bucks pick. We agree the Suns shouldn't use their first round pick in a salary dump.

The Bucks are a good team and as I recall their pick is unlikely to convey until after next season. If there is a trade for a large contract player it might help but I don't think it is going to happen. The likely scenario is the Suns stretch his contract after the season.

 

[Sunshooter]

Big name FA won't come to the mess suns.
The cap space is for Holmes and Oubre, isn't it?
I guess Suns may throw out Anderson and TJ Warren, or some expiring for some garbage contract.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Big name FA won't come to the mess suns.
The cap space is for Holmes and Oubre, isn't it?
I guess Suns may throw out Anderson and TJ Warren, or some expiring for some garbage contract.

Not that it makes a big difference but I believe it's more the case that the big name FA's are considering teams that can win now and locations that can help advance their careers. IOW, there are a lot of teams out there that are nowhere near the mess we are and they won't have any more top name FA luck than we will.

 

[SirStefan32]

Big name FA won't come to the mess suns.
The cap space is for Holmes and Oubre, isn't it?
I guess Suns may throw out Anderson and TJ Warren, or some expiring for some garbage contract.

Theoretically, the cap space is for a point guard, and then extending Holmes and Oubre. Technically you can go over the cap if need be when signing your own free agents. Waiving and stretching Anderson (or trading him, if it were possible) would theoretically allow the Suns to address the PF issue too.

I think Booker, Warren, Ayton, Bridges, Melton, Okobo, Jackson, and Anderson are the only players under contract next summer. Oubre has a decent cap hold and Homes has a minimal cap hold. Anderson can be waived and stretched. I believe Jackson can be let go, but I am not 100% sure. They may have already picked up that option, BUT he can be an expiring contract that should be easy to trade.

My guess is that they sign and overpay someone like Rubio or Collison, and then try to grab someone like Mirotic or Randle while getting rid of one of the wings and waiving/ stretching Anderson.

Guards:
Rubio (or Collison)
Booker
Melton
Okobo

Wings:
Oubre
Bridges
Jackson
Warren

Bigs:
Ayton
Randle (or Mirotic)
Holmes

Obviously, PG and PF signings will be overpaid to get them o agree to come to Phoenix.
If they get a PF, they will really need to get rid of one of the wings. This should be pretty easy- Jackson will be an expiring contract with some potential, Warren has a friendly contract, and they can even just let Oubre go (my least preferred option.)

At that point, it's a gamble- you have competent PG and PF rotations without acquiring a star. Then you hope that Booker turns into an even better scorer, that Ayton gets to an All-Star level, and that Bridges and one other wing turn into elite 3 and D players. You are also gambling that Melton and/or Okobo will turn into a starter-quality players relatively soon. Theoretically, you have more than enough defense, more than enough scoring, enough shooting, enough rebounding.

 

[1Sun]

Theoretically, the cap space is for a point guard, and then extending Holmes and Oubre. Technically you can go over the cap if need be when signing your own free agents. Waiving and stretching Anderson (or trading him, if it were possible) would theoretically allow the Suns to address the PF issue too.

I think Booker, Warren, Ayton, Bridges, Melton, Okobo, Jackson, and Anderson are the only players under contract next summer. Oubre has a decent cap hold and Homes has a minimal cap hold. Anderson can be waived and stretched. I believe Jackson can be let go, but I am not 100% sure. They may have already picked up that option, BUT he can be an expiring contract that should be easy to trade.

My guess is that they sign and overpay someone like Rubio or Collison, and then try to grab someone like Mirotic or Randle while getting rid of one of the wings and waiving/ stretching Anderson.

Guards:
Rubio (or Collison)
Booker
Melton
Okobo

Wings:
Oubre
Bridges
Jackson
Warren

Bigs:
Ayton
Randle (or Mirotic)
Holmes

Obviously, PG and PF signings will be overpaid to get them o agree to come to Phoenix.
If they get a PF, they will really need to get rid of one of the wings. This should be pretty easy- Jackson will be an expiring contract with some potential, Warren has a friendly contract, and they can even just let Oubre go (my least preferred option.)

At that point, it's a gamble- you have competent PG and PF rotations without acquiring a star. Then you hope that Booker turns into an even better scorer, that Ayton gets to an All-Star level, and that Bridges and one other wing turn into elite 3 and D players. You are also gambling that Melton and/or Okobo will turn into a starter-quality players relatively soon. Theoretically, you have more than enough defense, more than enough scoring, enough shooting, enough rebounding.

Replace Rubio/Collison with Russell or Teague (though I would be okay with Collison as a Plan C, just please no Rubio unless he's dirt cheap), and draft BPA with our lottery pick, and sign me up.

 

[GatorAZ]

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Good news

 

[Proximo]

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Good news

Huh? This is good news how?

Other than Daniels who are you wanting them to sell?

 

[AzStevenCal]

Huh? This is good news how?

Other than Daniels who are you wanting them to sell?

Yeah I really can't figure out who we have that would have appeal elsewhere. I guess Crawford and maybe even Bender might draw a little interest but I can't imagine there'd be any real value coming back. I'd hope we're not trading Melton, Holmes or Oubre but who knows? And with Warren's foot I have no idea what to expect there.

 

[devilalum]

If they can't trade Warren for a PG now theoretically they could trade him to a contender for an expiring and a late first round pick. That would clear more space to sign a player or players this summer.

 

[GatorAZ]

Huh? This is good news how?

No Mike Conley or Ricky Rubio.

 

[AzStevenCal]

If they can't trade Warren for a PG now theoretically they could trade him to a contender for an expiring and a late first round pick. That would clear more space to sign a player or players this summer.

I have some issues with Warren but I wouldn't have any interest in giving him away like that. I think he's outplayed his draft position and he's on a very good contract so I wouldn't move him for less than a lottery pick (roughly) or a decent starting PG.

TJ is capable of getting you 20 points a night, a complete team might love to add an effective scorer like that. He's a problem for us though in that we need him to be more than just the scorer he is. Also, I don't think we're at a position where it would make sense to sell at a discount with the hopes that we can sign someone better in the offseason.

 

[devilalum]

I have some issues with Warren but I wouldn't have any interest in giving him away like that. I think he's outplayed his draft position and he's on a very good contract so I wouldn't move him for less than a lottery pick (roughly) or a decent starting PG.

TJ is capable of getting you 20 points a night, a complete team might love to add an effective scorer like that. He's a problem for us though in that we need him to be more than just the scorer he is. Also, I don't think we're at a position where it would make sense to sell at a discount with the hopes that we can sign someone better in the offseason.

I don't know what he's worth but the Suns do have four small forwards and he's the one I'd be willing to let go.

 

[devilalum]

Anybody else ever want to participate in the discussion but you don’t really have anything useful to bring to the table?


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[devilalum]

Anybody else ever want to participate in the discussion but you don’t really have anything useful to bring to the table?


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That was rhetorical.


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[Mainstreet]

Huh? This is good news how?

Other than Daniels who are you wanting them to sell?

I listened to a recording by Gina Mizell the other day. She thought trading Troy Daniels was a possibility. She also mentioned Josh Jackson as a lesser possibility. I can't remember the third player but Warren makes some sense.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Selling at the deadline and tanking through the end for a stinking 14% chance. I don't think there is any way I can stay interested until draft time.

 

[1Sun]

If they can't trade Warren for a PG now theoretically they could trade him to a contender for an expiring and a late first round pick. That would clear more space to sign a player or players this summer.

Great. More money to sign...nobody worth signing...

 

[devilalum]

Great. More money to sign...nobody worth signing...

True

I was just trying to think of a trade that matches the title of the thread?

I got nothin.


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[Mainstreet]

Selling at the deadline and tanking through the end for a stinking 14% chance. I don't think there is any way I can stay interested until draft time.

I think Jones is keeping a low profile and waiting for other teams to approach the Suns about a trade for a point guard before the trade deadline.

I'm guessing the Suns are looking for a reasonably priced point guard that can be acquired with a second round pick or perhaps the Bucks pick. Hopefully a point guard they can keep heading into next season as a backup or temporary starter.

Booker's frustration should be a cause for concern.