Win over the Nugs
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Yah cuz a team that played fairly slow with their opponent scoring 94 pts on 49% shooting played better defense than a team that played relatively fast with an opponent scoring 105 pts on 43% shooting.Hehe..... insider secret-
A major part of being a great defensive team is being able to control tempo........
Being a Suns fan I wouldn't expect you to be too familiar with all of the tenents of good defense. I'll let this slide.
84, 95, 87. San Antonio's score in the three games against the Suns this season. Under 106? Yeh, by a big margin. Unless that's who you meant by inferior competition...
Differential so far: SA +5.29, PHX +4.76
If you aren't worried, why should I be?
Word.
Edit: Actually, no. NOH is only at +4.79 margin.
Red - In the view of many on this board, yeah the Spurs are inferior competition. Their reputation this year is, after all, largely based on what they did last year right? I won't go into the reasons, suffice it to say the Spurs were in the midst of a major slump during two of those games. Our starting point guard was out for two of them as well.
How do the Suns do without Nash in the lineup?
Who else did your Suns "hold" to the low nineties?
Blue - I hate to point out the obvious but SA's differential is greater than PHX, hence I'm not worried. Tell me again why you're not? Both SA and NOH are above you. Did you check LAL or HOU?
Yah cuz a team that played fairly slow with their opponent scoring 94 pts on 49% shooting played better defense than a team that played relatively fast with an opponent scoring 105 pts on 43% shooting.
Exactly. Controlling tempo starts with transition defense. If you're giving up lots of attempts, who cares what the percentage is.
Analogous to taking bullets out of the gun. Fewer bullets means you've got to be a heck of a lot more accurate to beat me. I'll take my chances with that doctrine. It's worked quite well.
I suppose your point is to say that the Spurs defense isn't as good as it seems because of their offensive style of play?
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I'm not debating "many on this board". Just you. And don't boo-hoo your way through with well-we-weren't or we-didn't-have...
Hey if the Spurs are a contender and they didn't score more than 95 points, isn't that enough of an argument for you? Isn't your team the team to beat?
I pointed it out. See that's what the numbers in my post mean. And the difference is HALF A POINT. Negligible. And New Orleans is even closer. Why should I check Los Angeles or Houston? I was stacking the Suns against the Spurs using the measuring stick YOU preferred. I responded to your adding New Orleans to the mix.
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Stop replying to these guys! They'll either leave, or post enough drivel to try to get you to respond that they'll be banned for that.
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I read the bantar between cheese and aglo and i see valid points on both sides given from a fans view. It's all good. It's what you do when adults debate topics. If an opinion doesnt agree with your own then you reply with an argument to the contrary. When you have no argument, you simply take it to a personal level and the name calling starts etc. The only drivel i have seen posted here.... quite frankly is your comment. Were you like a hall monitor in grade school or something? *grin*
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LOL. Okay, how's this: The Suns and Spurs were 2-2 last summer before the suspensions. I'm not going to argue what could or should have happened, but if you look at those four games, it's pretty hard to argue that either team was dramatically outclassing the other.
Look, any idiot can say "Defense wins championships" until he's blue in the face. (Go ahead, try it.) That's doesn't really qualify as the "debate" you fancy yourself participating in. The reason that defensive teams have won over the last several years is that (a) they've been better and (b) they've gotten the breaks.
If the Suns turn out to be the best team and get the breaks, they'll win. Otherwise they probably won't. But it won't be because they're an offensive team and "Defense wins championships." Even if you blame the Spurs loss on Stoudemire's and Diaw's lack of discipline from the bench, that's not a defensive shortcoming -- it's something entirely different. And when Nash gets bashed and bloodied (literally) in every playoff series, that's not a defensive shortcoming either. How is his better defense going to help him keep his nose attached to his face when he's trying to drive to the hoop?
The Suns' defense is far from stellar, but it's adequate. To get to the top, they need to keep their heads and at least earn a draw in the officiating battle. Frankly, I'm not thrilled about their chances along either of those lines, but neither of them is a defensive problem.
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I would like to see the mods at least warn Agloco and cobbler for their trollish intentions. They arent pleasant debaters, and they make me miss guys like Greg Popovich and others that come here to rationally debate.
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trollish intentions = posting anything contrary (valid or not, intellectual or not) to the 4 or 5 members of the troll brigade who ARE ALWAYS the FIRST to throw out a personal jab that has nothing to do with the topic or debate at hand.
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False. Trolling refers to the fishing technique of tempting the local community into "taking the bait." Trolling is usually executed through potentially volatile or inflammatory remarks intended to disrupt the traditional and regular flow of converssation inherent to the board. It is commonly presented in absolutes or highly opinionated comments spun to look as fact or irrefutable statements which go against the general consensus of the thread's topic. It also includes highly negative comments against the focus of the forum, or side comments diverting from the main topic in order to steer the conversation into a category of the troller's preference.
If you can prove to this community that the majority of your statements do not fall into this category I will gladly pack my bags and not post here anymore, as long as you agree to do the same if you fail to prove so.
If you can prove to this community that the majority of your statements do not fall into this category I will gladly pack my bags and not post here anymore, as long as you agree to do the same if you fail to prove so.
