With the 31st selection the Cardinals Take

[WildBB]

Wow, this is like a war room.

 

[WildBB]

It is going to be Beanie Wells.

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[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Larry Engish: 15%
Knowshon: 12%
Clay Matthews: 10%

Pick: Larry English, Knowshon will be there too but Cards decide to go defense first.

 

[Stout]

Time for us to bring in an English major.

 

[ThunderCard]

If this was the case I would go with Larry English, however I am hoping for Percy Harvin or Moreno.

 

[WildBB]

Larry Engish: 15%
Knowshon: 12%
Clay Matthews: 10%

Pick: Larry English, Knowshon will be there too but Cards decide to go defense first.

That's a far from sure bet. I would bet that if one of the backs fell, it would be Wells, but people will like his pro day so neither one is that sure.

And I think Maybin might fall down instead of Mathews. Too many like his bloodline.

Anyway it may very well shake out this way, and I wanted to see who the board would go with in that event.

I don't think using the pick as a future pick wouldn't be a bad idea for a change and I might be inclined to take a LT for the future and groom him for a year. LT William Beatty - UCONN.

 

[WildBB]

For all these guys:

Buckybird, DoTheDew, Duckjake, Jersey Girl, long_season, ny redbird, Skkorpion, stretchthefield, SunDevil, Syracuselaxman44, TJ UofA2004

Who's the other you would go with as of now, if the draft shakes out the way it's posted by the huddle report?

 

[1DS]

Are you kidding? Have you ever seen him play??? He's one of THE BEST blocking TE's to come out in years which is exactly why we need him. He would be huge for our offense

Yeah, but we can grab a blocking TE in rounds 3-5.

 

[O]

Yeah, but we can grab a blocking TE in rounds 3-5.

Thank you.

 

[perivolaki]

Great? Compared to what?

Compared to all the other TEs in the draft this year.

I heard Gil Brandt on NFL radio today say he was the best blocker of all the TEs in the draft this year. Thats good enough for me.

 

[perivolaki]

Yeah, but we can grab a blocking TE in rounds 3-5.

True, but he can do more than just block. He has 112 receptions and 1450 yards over a four year college career. Those are some good stats for a tight end.

I like the guy. When he goes out for passes he just dwarfs the guys covering him. The guy is huge. He will have no trouble playing at the 275-280 lb. range in a couple of years. It is rare to get a guy with his size and blocking ability who can also run and has soft hands.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Out of that group i voted for Johnson. He'd be ideal for the predator position on defense. Although Mack would be a good choice as well. Pettigrew is good but now that Pope and Patrick are back he's not really needed. Brown is good as well but you can get Rashad Jennings inround 2 and he could be a better RB than Brown. To me ,Larry English is limited athletically,Johsnon isn't.

 

[WildBB]

True, but he can do more than just block. He has 112 receptions and 1450 yards over a four year college career. Those are some good stats for a tight end.

I like the guy. When he goes out for passes he just dwarfs the guys covering him. The guy is huge. He will have no trouble playing at the 275-280 lb. range in a couple of years. It is rare to get a guy with his size and blocking ability who can also run and has soft hands.

This guy has some special abilities. I would not be surprised if he's the pick at all. Whis has wanted stability at that position and he would insure that.

He does have good hands. Think Heath Miller, and an even better blocker. If after Warner's reign, they wanted to go to more two TE sets and be able to pound the ball or play action, this is one way to do it. Lining up Pettigrew and Patrick or Spach. All can catch.

 

[WildBB]

Yeah, but we can grab a blocking TE in rounds 3-5.

Pettigrew is more than a blocking TE. He's a real threat catching and is a load to bring down. Anyone remember John Mackey of the Colts? He has that kind of talent.

The same argument can be used for th DE/OLB spot. Graves has said he likes the depth at that position this year. "There are guys that can help us". They may tap into them in rounds 2-5 depends who's there at the time.

But Petigrew and English are both solid choices. I think alot will depend on if we can bring back Haggins and Okeafor at resonable salaries.

 

[JeffGollin]

Going to the BRS Board...

I have the top remaining players in order listed as:

11. Sintim OLB
15. Wood G-C
16. English DE/OLB
20. Beatty OT
22. Mack C- G
25. Unger C- G
26. A Brown RB
28. Pegues FS
30. Delmas FS
31. McCoy RB
32. D Brown RB

Like most boards, the BRS one is "fluid" (for example, I've been reviewing Combine results and may drop English down due to a relatively slow forty time). So - at this snapshot in time - I'd be inclined to take Sintim.

But that all could change.

(Note - I thought the mock had Pettigrew gone by #31. In any case, I had him rated #29).

 

[WildBB]

I have the top remaining players in order listed as:

11. Sintim OLB
15. Wood G-C
16. English DE/OLB
20. Beatty OT
22. Mack C- G
25. Unger C- G
26. A Brown RB
28. Pegues FS
30. Delmas FS
31. McCoy RB
32. D Brown RB

Like most boards, the BRS one is "fluid" (for example, I've been reviewing Combine results and may drop English down due to a relatively slow forty time). So - at this snapshot in time - I'd be inclined to take Sintim.

But that all could change.

(Note - I thought the mock had Pettigrew gone by #31. In any case, I had him rated #29).

In the mock he has the Cardinals picking Pettigrew even though he has English and Brown as higher probabilities. Look at the comment underneath. He does that a couple times, going with his gut feeling.

I'm glad you have Beatty rated up there. He'd be a solid choice as well. I like his potential, as well as Unger, but he's more of a mid second rounder. Where do you put Connor Barwin? It's also interesting where you rate Pagues and Brown. Pagues' 40 was slow as well. I think allmost everyone has Smith, Delmas and Johnson rated ahead of him.

 

[JeffGollin]

In the mock he has the Cardinals picking Pettigrew even though he has English and Brown as higher probabilities. Look at the comment underneath. He does that a couple times, going with his gut feeling.

I'm glad you have Beatty rated up there. He'd be a solid choice as well. I like his potential, as well as Unger, but he's more of a mid second rounder. Where do you put Connor Barwin? It's also interesting where you rate Pagues and Brown. Pagues' 40 was slow as well. I think allmost everyone has Smith, Delmas and Johnson rated ahead of him.

English
He was estimated before the draft season to run a 4.75 forty, but wound up running a 4.82 at the Combine (according to War Room). At just 255 lbs, that's not very fast for a DE let alone an OLB. Also, his original estimated height was 6-3, but it turns out (like 90% of the DE prospects) it turns out he's a bit shorter at 6-2¼.

Barwin:
BP: 21; 10D: 1.59; 20D: 2.69; VJ: 40½; BJ: 10-8; 20S: 4.18; 3C: 6.87

BRS (A quick post from yesterday)
"Off-the-charts workout scores may move him up rapidly." War Room says nice things about the lad:

War Room on Barwin
Was only a marginal NFL prospect before making the switch from tight end to defensive end his senior season. Showed great potential in his new role, with 11 sacks in 2008. Coachable player coaches dream of. This, combined with his versatility and great athleticism, should boost his stock to solid middle-round status.

I love Pegues because of what I saw on tape. I'm rating him as my top-rated safety. He flat-out makes plays. His forty time is listed at 4.51 (compared to Delmas at 4.54). Smith and Johnson are fine, but they're considered corners by most.

(Note - Relative to what teams - especially ours- are looking for in either a CB or a safety, I feel that Pegues and Delmas are closer to being ideal safeties than Smith and Johnson are to being ideal corners).

 

[jaguarpaw81]

Great? Compared to what?

All of the TEs currently on our roster.

Yeah, but we can grab a blocking TE in rounds 3-5.

Yes, but those are primary blockers. Having a guy who can both block while also making Ds respect him is an valuable asset that only a few teams in the league have. If we get a blocker who cant catch later in the draft it tells teams what we are doing when he comes on the field. He would save a roster spot too. A true 3 down TE is something most coaches can only dream about.

Compared to all the other TEs in the draft this year.

I heard Gil Brandt on NFL radio today say he was the best blocker of all the TEs in the draft this year. Thats good enough for me.

I would give that distinction to Anthony Hill from NC St, but whatever.

True, but he can do more than just block. He has 112 receptions and 1450 yards over a four year college career. Those are some good stats for a tight end.

I like the guy. When he goes out for passes he just dwarfs the guys covering him. The guy is huge. He will have no trouble playing at the 275-280 lb. range in a couple of years. It is rare to get a guy with his size and blocking ability who can also run and has soft hands.

 

[joeshmo]

Out of that group i voted for Johnson. He'd be ideal for the predator position on defense. Although Mack would be a good choice as well. Pettigrew is good but now that Pope and Patrick are back he's not really needed. Brown is good as well but you can get Rashad Jennings inround 2 and he could be a better RB than Brown. To me ,Larry English is limited athletically,Johsnon isn't.

What does Pope and Patrick being back have to do with Pettigrew? Is it that he have faith in Pope or Patrick or are you basing it on a numbers game? To be honest I am not sure how Patrick or Pope has put faith in anyone, they sure havent for me.

Who cares about athletic ability if you dont have the heart, brain, or skill to actually use it. Who cares about athletic ability if you dont use it to actually produce, which MJ didnt.

 

[jaguarpaw81]

What does Pope and Patrick being back have to do with Pettigrew? Is it that he have faith in Pope or Patrick or are you basing it on a numbers game? To be honest I am not sure how Patrick or Pope has put faith in anyone, they sure havent for me.

Who cares about athletic ability if you dont have the heart, brain, or skill to actually use it. Who cares about athletic ability if you dont use it to actually produce, which MJ didnt.

AMEN :notworthy

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

What does Pope and Patrick being back have to do with Pettigrew? Is it that he have faith in Pope or Patrick or are you basing it on a numbers game? To be honest I am not sure how Patrick or Pope has put faith in anyone, they sure havent for me.

Who cares about athletic ability if you dont have the heart, brain, or skill to actually use it. Who cares about athletic ability if you dont use it to actually produce, which MJ didnt.

again, show me where he didn't produce and not just because Mike Mayock said he tooks plays off. What do you want? 17.5 TFL and 9 sacks is not producing? That doesn't count QB hurries either.Who knows how many of those he had all while being the focal of the opposing teams OL. Maybe he had to have 37 TFL and 26 sacks for you guys to be happy.

He's 7th in Gtech history with 19 sacks.Only 10 players in NCAA history have more than his 3 blocked kicks. 31 TFL which is 16th in Tech history. Outstanding memeber of most of Tech's special teams. Forced 10 fumbles during career.How are these the numbers of a guy who didn't produce?

This reminds me of people bashing/questioning Dansby and saying he needs the motivation of a 1 year contract when he has been our best defesnive player for years.

as for Pope and Patrick, having them both on the team doesn't eliminate the need for TE. I just think it eliminates the need for a 1st round TE. You can get a blocking TE much later in the draft.

 

[WildBB]

OK, for everyone picking "OTHER". I'm making sure your looking at the perameters of the original topic in the thread, (going by who was allready picked in the Huddle Report Mock Draft) AHEAD of the Cardinals pick. Those players are not available for the purposes of this thread.

So you guys and gals:

bankybruce, Buckybird, cardinalsfan, cardncubfan, DoTheDew, Duckjake, Gambo is a Turd, Jersey Girl, long_season, LVCARDFREAK, ny redbird, PACardsFan, Pariah, RugbyMuffin, Shane H, Skkorpion, stretchthefield, SunDevil, Syracuselaxman44, TigToad, TJ UofA2004, zuchini

Who do you like? Thoughts?

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Whats everyones obsession with Michael Johnson?

Quentin Moses was athletic as hell, how'd he turn out?

that's 1 guy. Jevon Kearse was athletic as hell,how'd he turn out?

 

[joeshmo]

again, show me where he didn't produce and not just because Mike Mayock said he tooks plays off. What do you want? 17.5 TFL and 9 sacks is not producing? That doesn't count QB hurries either.Who knows how many of those he had all while being the focal of the opposing teams OL. Maybe he had to have 37 TFL and 26 sacks for you guys to be happy.

He's 7th in Gtech history with 19 sacks.Only 10 players in NCAA history have more than his 3 blocked kicks. 31 TFL which is 16th in Tech history. Outstanding memeber of most of Tech's special teams. Forced 10 fumbles during career.How are these the numbers of a guy who didn't produce?

Who said anything about Mayock. Watch the guy play. Also it isnt just Mayock saying it, according to MJ himself in an interview it was the question that was asked of him the most in interviews at the combine.

He didnt have 17.5 TFL and 9 sacks his senior year. I have already shown that his teams own website only has him down as 15 and 7. Draftcountdown has the same stats. A teams website is actually usually known for padding stats not taking them away.

Wow the guy got 17 sacks his whole career as a pass rush specialist. A career he got plenty of opporunity to rush the passer. Thats awesome production, when he cant even do the one thing he is supposed to be a specialist at. Heck if he didnt need to have 36 TFLs and 26 sacks one season, the guy would have accepted that in 3 seasons, becuase it would have been an improvement.

Also he was not the focal point of that DL. He was playing next to a 1st team DT - Vance Walker, a 2nd teamer, and a 20 year old 1st year starter in Derrick Morgan who is on the path to being a phenom. He played on an awesome DL at Georgia Tech, one of the best in the ACC.

Past the statistical analysis watch the tape and the guy sucks 95% of the time.

 

[earthsci]

Alex Mack