With the 4th pick, the Phoenix Suns Select

[slinslin]

If the 28th pick is the difference between getting our guy at #3 or having to pick the 2nd choice I will gladly give that up.

I think we could easily move up from #34 without costing us too much if we still want to draft in the first round, which is obviously a lot better than in the 2nd round due to the control you get over rookie contracts.

Honestly though I kind of hope that we are aggressive.

For example Chriss at #4 and then move up with a mix of our other picks or "spare players" to get one of Brown, Dunn, Hield or Murray looks pretty attractive to me.

I think Sacramento could be interested in Knight for #8. I think the Pelicans could also be interested. Maybe one of those teams would be interested to move down to #13 to get one of our future Miami picks or something like that. I think we have a lot of options and should bring in the best 2 rookies from this draft we can get. (Still hoping for Maker later)

 

[elindholm]

If the 28th pick is the difference between getting our guy at #3 or having to pick the 2nd choice I will gladly give that up.

I agree. If you have a clear preference at #3 and can package #4 and #28 to move up, you just do it and don't look back.

 

[overseascardfan]

You might find reading the review on DraftExpress for more informative. He is a big body and he is excellent at handling the ball. I think his shot will improve with time. Also he is not a finished product at 19.

I love his rebounding ability, particularly outside his area. If he turns into the next Kevin Love who had to work to get his jump shot where it is then he would be a steal at #4. Love had the same questions coming out of UCLA but he turned into an All-Pro. PHX needs rebounding from the PF spot. If not for my hope to get Baldwin at #13, I would be for taking Ellenson at #4 and Sabonis at #13 to make sure we have 2 PFs who can rebound.

 

[Sunburn]

I love his rebounding ability, particularly outside his area. If he turns into the next Kevin Love who had to work to get his jump shot where it is then he would be a steal at #4. Love had the same questions coming out of UCLA but he turned into an All-Pro. PHX needs rebounding from the PF spot. If not for my hope to get Baldwin at #13, I would be for taking Ellenson at #4 and Sabonis at #13 to make sure we have 2 PFs who can rebound.

If I remember correctly, K Love was regarded much more highly.than Ellenson.

 

[Sunburn]

I like Ellenson, but I really worry about his slow feet. I said it before, he is going to be pounded on the PnR in the NBA. His 3 point shooting also leaves a lot to be desired for a stretch 4, which is what I keep reading him proclaimed as.

 

[GatorAZ]

Oh please.. If Chriss is raw than there are almost only raw players in the draft.

At least Chriss has a good jumpshot already and advanced perimeter skills for a PF.

Someone like Cheick Diallo is raw. Chriss is pretty polished offensively for a freshman.

Chriss is not polished. His 3pt shot is ok but it means nothing until we see it in the league. Derrick Williams was an elite shooter at AZ.

Chriss needs way better handles to be successful on the perimeter. He's a great athlete with a great body for now.

 

[overseascardfan]

If I remember correctly, K Love was regarded much more highly.than Ellenson.

Love may have been the more ballyhooed recruit, Henry Ellenson was the #11 overall recruit in the 2015 class (5-star), Love was the #6 overall recruit in 2007 class.

Kevin Love @ UCLA - 17.5 ppg, 10.6 rpg, 1.9 apg, 1.4 bpg, 61%/35%/77%

Ellenson - 17 ppg, 9.7 rpg, 1.8 apg, 1.5 bpg, 45%/29%/75%

Love was a better shooter but their numbers are nearly identical. Kevin Love went #5 overall in the 2008 NBA draft, Ellenson could go #4 to PHX (I hope).

 

[slinslin]

The difference in shooting numbers is astronomical

 

[hcsilla]

Draft.net has him compared to Brian Scalibrine and Brian Cardinal.

As far as playing style goes Josh McRoberts and/or Detlef Schrempf are better comparisons for Ellenson, IMO.

 

[slinslin]

My personal big board in context of the Suns would probably be something like this. It is pretty close to what Draftexpress now has with Chriss at #3 but I personally don't like Bender, Poetl, Luwawu, Korkmaz, Jackson, Deyonta Davis, Cornelie while I like Maker, Diallo, D.Murray, Zizic and Zubac a lot more than DX rates them.

1. PF Simmons
2. SF Ingram
3. PF Chriss
4. SF Brown
5. PF Labissiere
6. SG Hield
7. SG J.Murray
8. PG Dunn
9. C Bender
10. C Maker
11. SF Valentine
12. PG D.Murray
13. C D.Jones
14. PG Baldwin
15. SF Prince
16. FC Diallo
17. C Zubac
18. C D.Davis
19. C Zizic
20. FC Ellenson
21. C Sabonis
22. C Poetl
23. GF Korkmaz
24. SF Luwawu
25. PG Ulis
26. C Zimmermann
27. PG Jackson
28. GF Richardson
29. PF Johnson
30. SG McCaw
31. SF Bembry
32. SG Beasley
33. PF Hernangomez
34. PF Bentil
35. C Papagiannis
36. C Hammons
37. C Zhou-Qi
38. PG Felder
39. PG Payton II
40. FC Cornelie

 

[sunsfan88]

The two Brian comparisons are absurd IMO. But he is a little slow and lacks explosion and that will be a problem at the next level. Which is why I said I'd do it if we were convinced that getting him into better shape would improve those two things. He has a lot of body fat so it's quite possible that's the case. But if I thought we could get a fat guy skinny I'd find a way to get Sullinger from Boston instead.

I don't think getting into shape will necessarily improve his athleticism that much. I just think the way the NBA is going it needs players who are very mobile and active at the 4 spot like Green/Ibaka etc.

I don't even like Kevin Love that much and I think he's incredibly overrated so when people say that Ellenson is a poor man's Love, I'd hate it if we even consider him with #4 pick. We didn't suffer through yet another miserable season to end up with the prize of Ellenson.

And if he wasn't in shape in college, then I truly question his work ethic and dedication. Being out of shape can't be an excuse, that's something that reflects poorly on his professionalism.

 

[JCSunsfan]

This would be the worst case scenario.

I'd like the Suns to treat the 28th pick like it has some value... like IT did.

You cannot treat your assets like this. You have to make the move that makes the most sense right now, and not let how you got it or what it cost you, impact your decision-making.

If the Suns miss out on the player at 3 because they traded IT for that #28 pick, it would be foolish. Now, I don't think that is going to happen because I don't think the #3 player will be in any way clearly better thant the #4 player in this draft.

Its like the stock market. The people that lose in the market are the ones who won't sell a stock because they paid so much for it. So they lose way more. The only question that matters if it is a "buy" or "sell" in the moment based upon sound reasoning.

 

[Phrazbit]

I don't get the Ellenson hype. A shooter who can't shoot...

 

[AzStevenCal]

I don't get the Ellenson hype. A shooter who can't shoot...

I don't see much hype. I think he has a fairly safe floor but a not too interesting ceiling. The scary thing is in this draft, he might still end up as a top 5 player overall. I think he's going to be a good backup with a small-ish chance of being a solid starter. I'd rather take Sabonis if all we're looking for is solid, he has a much better chance of becoming a decent starter. No chance for stardom but the ones with boom potential in this class also have high bust potential.

 

[slinslin]

I don't get the Ellenson hype. A shooter who can't shoot...

I dont get it either. I'd pick him at 28 because he is close to 7' apparently so he has potential as small ball center off the bench with defensive shortcomings.

 

[sunsfan88]

This would be the worst case scenario.

I'd like the Suns to treat the 28th pick like it has some value... like IT did.

Same here. Especially if the team we trade #28 is Boston who is the one that fleeced us of IT in the first place.

 

[Ronin]

Dunn is who I wanted @ 4, but forget that.

 

[hsandhu]

Can someone who's followed the prospects tell me, as I havent, why in the past the draft has been called by some weak?

Seems like a lot of players outside top 2, are being talked up. Dunn, chriss, jamal murray, bender, jayle brown.

 

[Mainstreet]

You cannot treat your assets like this. You have to make the move that makes the most sense right now, and not let how you got it or what it cost you, impact your decision-making.

If the Suns miss out on the player at 3 because they traded IT for that #28 pick, it would be foolish. Now, I don't think that is going to happen because I don't think the #3 player will be in any way clearly better thant the #4 player in this draft.

Its like the stock market. The people that lose in the market are the ones who won't sell a stock because they paid so much for it. So they lose way more. The only question that matters if it is a "buy" or "sell" in the moment based upon sound reasoning.

I just want the Suns to value the 28th pick more than they did IT and not use it in a trade unless absolutely it brings them a player they covet.

Actually the same applies with the #4 pick and the 13th pick.

I have said before I would not even be opposed to the Suns trading the #4 pick (or other picks) if it vastly improves the team with young talent going forward (preferably a PF).

However, I do worry about the Suns being worked by the Celtics if they know who the Suns want to draft.

McDonough made a huge mistake by trading IT for a late first round draft with the Celtics. I don't want this type of trade repeated.

 

[Mainstreet]

Same here. Especially if the team we trade #28 is Boston who is the one that fleeced us of IT in the first place.

I'm hoping McDonough learned from this trade. If the Suns believed they needed to trade IT, at least get more than the 28th pick in return.

 

[Errntknght]

I think McD saw IT as being disruptive and costing us Dragic, who his boss had a great affection for so it was another emotional decision, like his next one - grabbing Knight and them overpaying him.

 

[slinslin]

I think McD saw IT as being disruptive and costing us Dragic, who his boss had a great affection for so it was another emotional decision, like his next one - grabbing Knight and them overpaying him.

???

You might want to read the news but Sean McDonough has revealed that Ryan did not want to trade IT at all. It was Hornacek who pushed to trade IT.

 

[Mainstreet]

???

You might want to read the news but Sean McDonough has revealed that Ryan did not want to trade IT at all. It was Hornacek who pushed to trade IT.

I didn't know this. Do you have a link?

If true, this could be another reason why Hornacek is gone. I'd feel better about Ryan McDonough trading IT.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I think McD saw IT as being disruptive and costing us Dragic, who his boss had a great affection for so it was another emotional decision, like his next one - grabbing Knight and them overpaying him.

Have to wonder how all that went down. Goran agrees to resign, but only on the condition that IT has to go. McD is happy about it but a little concerned at the number he knows it will take to sign Goran. He begins negotiating with Danny Ainge and comes to an agreement. Then Pat Riley calls and offers 2 first round picks. While McD had intended on resigning Goran, the two picks is just too good to refuse.

Just speculation.

 

[slinslin]

I didn't know this. Do you have a link?

If true, this could be another reason why Hornacek is gone. I'd feel better about Ryan McDonough trading IT.

http://arizonasports.com/player/?a=322196