With the 4th pick, the Phoenix Suns Select

[JCSunsfan]

I didn't know this. Do you have a link?

If true, this could be another reason why Hornacek is gone. I'd feel better about Ryan McDonough trading IT.

I think it is here. http://arizonasports.com/player/?a=322196

About the 9:20 mark.

No pulling punches. Jeff wanted IT traded, McD did not. His error was that he gave in to his coach. McD also did not want to trade Marcus Morris, but Horny wanted him gone regardless of whether LMA signed or not. McD has not said anything about it because he is a stand up guy. Sean thought that Ryan would be upset at him for saying it on the air but he decided he wanted to anyway because he wants to stick up for his brother.

That is funny in a way because Kieff took out his frustrations on Ryan not Jeff.

I want to keep Ryan McDonough. I think he is a smart GM who made mistakes because he doubted himself and listened to older staff members. That is part of the learning curve. I doubt he will make that mistake again. This team needs continuity. I think McD can be an excellent GM for years to come and will get better with time. I hope Sarver does not get impatient.

 

[Mainstreet]

http://arizonasports.com/player/?a=322196

I think it is here. http://arizonasports.com/player/?a=322196

About the 9:20 mark.

No pulling punches. Jeff wanted IT traded, McD did not. His error was that he gave in to his coach. McD also did not want to trade Marcus Morris, but Horny wanted him gone regardless of whether LMA signed or not. McD has not said anything about it because he is a stand up guy. Sean thought that Ryan would be upset at him for saying it on the air but he decided he wanted to anyway because he wants to stick up for his brother.

That is funny in a way because Kieff took out his frustrations on Ryan not Jeff.

I want to keep Ryan McDonough. I think he is a smart GM who made mistakes because he doubted himself and listened to older staff members. That is part of the learning curve. I doubt he will make that mistake again. This team needs continuity. I think McD can be an excellent GM for years to come and will get better with time. I hope Sarver does not get impatient.

Thanks for the information.

I'm a huge fan of Ryan McDonough but his value in my eyes has raised even higher.

I am so glad the Suns fired Hornacek. McDonough carried a heavy load (mostly unknown to many fans) because of him.

 

[GatorAZ]

A GM not trusting his gut and giving into his coaches wishes? Brings back nightmares of the Shaq trade.

 

[JCSunsfan]

A GM not trusting his gut and giving into his coaches wishes? Brings back nightmares of the Shaq trade.

Thats true. Hard to believe that DAntoni wanted Shaq, and then wanted out once Shaq got here.

 

[GatorAZ]

Thats true. Hard to believe that DAntoni wanted Shaq, and then wanted out once Shaq got here.

It had more to do with DA being sick of Marion. He also wanted a max deal from the Suns which he didn't even end up getting from Dallas.

 

[Mainstreet]

It had more to do with DA being sick of Marion. He also wanted a max deal from the Suns which he didn't even end up getting from Dallas.

A young Shawn Marion would fit well into the NBA of today.

 

[Mainstreet]

The Lakers are bringing in Henry Ellenson for a private workout.

Could they be thinking about trading down and if so, would the Suns be interested in the 2nd pick in the draft?

They have two lottery picks in their pocket.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/242127/Lakers-To-Work-Out-Henry-Ellenson

 

[Errntknght]

???

You might want to read the news but Sean McDonough has revealed that Ryan did not want to trade IT at all. It was Hornacek who pushed to trade IT.

Thanks for posting the link, slin. Imagine that, I guessed wrong... I'm quite glad to find out what really happened. As some one else posted, I feel better about McD, too, knowing that.

 

[AzStevenCal]

The Lakers are bringing in Henry Ellenson for a private workout.

Could they be thinking about trading down and if so, would the Suns be interested in the 2nd pick in the draft?

They have two lottery picks in their pocket.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/242127/Lakers-To-Work-Out-Henry-Ellenson

Maybe but they could just be doing their due diligence in case of a motivated offer come draft night. But I do think some teams are less enamored of Ingram than a lot of fans seem to be so they might be hoping to move down.

 

[Errntknght]

A GM not trusting his gut and giving into his coaches wishes? Brings back nightmares of the Shaq trade.

In general you want to have the coach and GM on the same page so there are going to be times where the GM has to compromise - particularly about individual players. After all the coach deals with them every day, so if you trust your coach you should listen to him - after you make your case.

 

[AzStevenCal]

In general you want to have the coach and GM on the same page so there are going to be times where the GM has to compromise - particularly about individual players. After all the coach deals with them every day, so if you trust your coach you should listen to him - after you make your case.

Yeah, if you find yourself struggling to accept the wants and needs of your coach, you probably have the wrong coach. And until you reach the point where you realize this you pretty much have to meet his wishes, at least in broad stroke terms.

 

[slinslin]

The Lakers are bringing in Henry Ellenson for a private workout.

Could they be thinking about trading down and if so, would the Suns be interested in the 2nd pick in the draft?

They have two lottery picks in their pocket.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/242127/Lakers-To-Work-Out-Henry-Ellenson

Despite the "2 player draft" claims, I don't believe that the difference between Ingram and the rest of the pack is big enough to warrant a trade up.

Ingram could easily be a bust or just role player similiar to Otto Porter.

 

[Mainstreet]

Despite the "2 player draft" claims, I don't believe that the difference between Ingram and the rest of the pack is big enough to warrant a trade up.

Ingram could easily be a bust or just role player similiar to Otto Porter.

Would you trade down to #3 for Chriss using the Suns two lottery picks?

I'm trying to determine how much you like him.

I would not do it but I could be wrong.

 

[slinslin]

Would you trade down to #3 for Chriss using the Suns two lottery picks?

I'm trying to determine how much you like him.

I would not do it but I could be wrong.

No and the reason is that I still really like Skal Labissiere. I think he is this years Myles Turner and can be better than Myles even. Best case an athletic Channing Frye with defense.

I like Skal a lot more than Luwawu or Prince at 13.

So even though I have doubts about Jaylen Brown I love his insane athletic ability, intelligence, character, raw potential, ability to get to the line and open court ability.

I think he played good defense, his shot needs work but it is not broken. He is also not much of a passer but he does not need to be. He was a high usage guy at Cal but in the NBA I see him as a 15-20pts 7 6-7rpg 1-2apg guy who scores on fastbreaks, putbacks and open jumpers.

 

[sunsfan88]

The Lakers are bringing in Henry Ellenson for a private workout.

Could they be thinking about trading down and if so, would the Suns be interested in the 2nd pick in the draft?

They have two lottery picks in their pocket.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/242127/Lakers-To-Work-Out-Henry-Ellenson

Man I can't imagine the outrage they'd recieve from the LA media and fans if they traded down and didn't get Simmons or Ingram.

All reports so far have indicated that they don't plan to trade the #2 pick unless it's for an established star like George or Cousins or of that sort.

They may just be doing due diligence with this workout.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I am thinking I would prefer Sabonis or Skal at #13. I think one of the two will be available. Skal is like a Channing Frye with defense. He was not used effectively at KU. Sabonis is a plug and play starter I think. With starters minutes he should be a double double player (10 pts 10 boards) with good defensive effort. Not an all-star but a quality starter.

 

[Mainstreet]

No and the reason is that I still really like Skal Labissiere. I think he is this years Myles Turner and can be better than Myles even. Best case an athletic Channing Frye with defense.

I like Skal a lot more than Luwawu or Prince at 13.

So even though I have doubts about Jaylen Brown I love his insane athletic ability, intelligence, character, raw potential, ability to get to the line and open court ability.

I think he played good defense, his shot needs work but it is not broken. He is also not much of a passer but he does not need to be. He was a high usage guy at Cal but in the NBA I see him as a 15-20pts 7 6-7rpg 1-2apg guy who scores on fastbreaks, putbacks and open jumpers.

I agree. I would keep #4 unless the Suns get a trade offer they can't refuse IMO, this is a depth draft so I like keeping #13 as well. I liked Jaylen Brown early on but I do not like how he finished the season with California. Unless the Suns draft a PG, I'm tempted to go big with the #4 and #13 picks providing they meet BPA criteria.

 

[Mainstreet]

Man I can't imagine the outrage they'd recieve from the LA media and fans if they traded down and didn't get Simmons or Ingram.

All reports so far have indicated that they don't plan to trade the #2 pick unless it's for an established star like George or Cousins or of that sort.

They may just be doing due diligence with this workout.

I guess it depends on what the Lakers get in return, if they traded down. The Lakers might be better off going after a star player with the pick if one became available.

 

[slinslin]

I am thinking I would prefer Sabonis or Skal at #13. I think one of the two will be available. Skal is like a Channing Frye with defense. He was not used effectively at KU. Sabonis is a plug and play starter I think. With starters minutes he should be a double double player (10 pts 10 boards) with good defensive effort. Not an all-star but a quality starter.

If you want Sabonis you can just re-sign Jon Leuer. Close to the same player and no way that Sabonis is better than him next season.

 

[sunsfan88]

I guess it depends on what the Lakers get in return, if they traded down. The Lakers might be better off going after a star player with the pick if one became available.

I'm sure their going to try.

 

[sunsfan88]

A young Shawn Marion would fit well into the NBA of today.

He sure would..would be like a poor man's Draymond Green without the passing ability.

 

[JCSunsfan]

If you want Sabonis you can just re-sign Jon Leuer. Close to the same player and no way that Sabonis is better than him next season.

As a sophomore Leuer averaged 9 points and 3 rebounds at Wisconsin. Sabonis averaged 20 pts and 14 rebounds as a Sophomore.

Is it because they are both white? Right now, Sabonis is a better rebounder, defender, and post player than Leuer.

 

[slinslin]

As a sophomore Leuer averaged 9 points and 3 rebounds at Wisconsin. Sabonis averaged 20 pts and 14 rebounds as a Sophomore.

Is it because they are both white? Right now, Sabonis is a better rebounder, defender, and post player than Leuer.

The college comparison is pointless.

Sabonis played an incredibly easy schedule at Gonzaga and he had a much better upbringing in terms of basketball. He played in youth teams for Malaga which is a lot better than high school basketball or AAU.

It has nothing to do with what Leuer did in college. What Leuer does now is what Sabonis is projected to do.

 

[Sunburn]

The college comparison is pointless.

he had a much better upbringing in terms of basketball. He played in youth teams for Malaga which is a lot better than high school basketball or AAU.

Doesn't that make him better?

 

[slinslin]

Doesn't that make him better?

As a college player yes but it also means that he probably won't make the big development jumps that Leuer did later.

Like I said I dont compare Sabonis to Leuer as a college player, I compare him to Leuer right now and that is what Sabonis is projected to be.