With the 4th pick, the Phoenix Suns Select

[AzStevenCal]

he is basically saying there is no way he can beat those guys out for a starting position. If a number 4 pick doesn't think he has a prayer of displacing oft injured Eric Bledsoe or inefficient Brandon Knight, I am not sure I want him.

I think this is almost entirely the work of agents. They get a very small fixed percentage of the NBA contract, they get a far greater percentage off of all the other deals. It's much harder to get big sponsor dollars if you're coming off the bench. And, as an agent, while you might assume your client will eventually beat them out, you want your money as soon as you can get it.

It's the same kind of thing with the recent "report" that Simmons was going to try and manipulate the process to insure he doesn't get taken by Philadelphia. Sponsor dollars will be far greater for him in LA than Pennsylvania according to the report.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

http://www.lakersnation.com/lakers-...tively-explore-trading-draft-pick/2016/05/18/

The 76ers are getting their pick regardless and considering that they aren't in the same division or conference it amazes me that the Lakers would care how good the pick is. To me it sounds like poor management on the Lakers end to adjust there rebuilding process to avoid the 76ers getting a high pick from them.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

Did you even watch Wade early on? Total physical freak. Dont get that with Buddy at all.

To be fair he said "SOME Dwade in his game". That would suggest that he isn't completely the same player, but has some similarities.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I'd do that in a second - doubt the Lakers would.

there's no way the Lakers do that. They get a big contract guy who doesn't move the needle, move out of the only spot to get one of the two studs in the draft and get a SF who's has a high floor but low ceiling? I doubt it.

That #2 pick and probably another could get them Boogie Cousins or someone of that ilk who the Lakers will then believe could be a big name player who could lure or or two FA there. I think they'd be wrong, but they ain't giving that pick up for anyone but a disgruntled stud who wants out of somewhere, IMO.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Thats not a good comparison at all. I think Buddy has some Dwade in his game.

I don't see the House comparison, but i certainly don't see Wade either. whatever the "some Dwade" he has isn't the thing that made Wade special... which was he was an athletic freak plus a good player. Take away the freak part and I'm not sure how the comparison is valid. I see more of a poor man's James Harden.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

I don't see the House comparison, but i certainly don't see Wade either. whatever the "some Dwade" he has isn't the thing that made Wade special... which was he was an athletic freak plus a good player. Take away the freak part and I'm not sure how the comparison is valid. I see more of a poor man's James Harden.

Until last year he was a poor shooter and a poor passer. I was at the Final 4 he was terrible. Never passes, keeps jacking up shots. His career assist average is 1.9, which is exactly what he averages every game. He actually has a negative assist to turnover ratio as a combo guard.

He is a senior who will be 23 this year so there isn't a lot of room for growth here.

You are going to get a guy who jacks up shots and doesn't pass. That's Eddie House / Monta Ellis.

 

[Mainstreet]

If Hield is being compared to Eddie House there is a huge difference beside height. House was a second round pick.

 

[elindholm]

Until last year he was a poor shooter and a poor passer. I was at the Final 4 he was terrible. Never passes, keeps jacking up shots. His career assist average is 1.9, which is exactly what he averages every game. He actually has a negative assist to turnover ratio as a combo guard.

He is a senior who will be 23 this year so there isn't a lot of room for growth here.

You are going to get a guy who jacks up shots and doesn't pass. That's Eddie House / Monta Ellis.

Sounds like Brandon Knight.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Sounds like Brandon Knight.

Knight averaged 4.2 assists in college, or double Hield's

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

http://www.lakersnation.com/lakers-...tively-explore-trading-draft-pick/2016/05/18/

I didn't say that the lakers wouldn't trade the pick, I said that THOSE type of deals (you proposed a pupu platter of picks to trade up for one of the two acknowledged good players in this draft) don't happen. And they don't. Your own quote even evidences that your pupu platter would likely be rejected. It states the Lakers want to get better asap (that means vets not picks) and they want a blend of vets and youngsters (they've got the youngsters, so again it points away from your pupu platter). What they would likely entertain is cousins. I don't think we would put together a deal that would attract them (mind you, I didn't say "couldn't" I said "wouldn't" because we wouldn't offer booker and Len).

 

[Sunburn]

Until last year he was a poor shooter and a poor passer. I was at the Final 4 he was terrible. Never passes, keeps jacking up shots. His career assist average is 1.9, which is exactly what he averages every game. He actually has a negative assist to turnover ratio as a combo guard.

He is a senior who will be 23 this year so there isn't a lot of room for growth here.

You are going to get a guy who jacks up shots and doesn't pass. That's Eddie House / Monta Ellis.

From 3, Hield shot 39% in 13-14, 36% in 14-15, and 46% last year. He was never a poor shooter.

 

[Sunburn]

Instant yes from me.

 

[Sunburn]

I thought the same thing. This reminds me of businesses modifying their strategy in consideration of a sunk cost.

 

[slinslin]

Knight averaged 4.2 assists in college, or double Hield's

Hield is a shooting guard and super efficient scorer.

His shooting and scoring numbers line up with Damian Lillard, Stephen Curry and about ten others.

Half of those were stars, the other half were very good role players.

The Monta comparison is just dumb and completely wrong.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I have no idea if the Eddie House comparison holds water but I suspect House would be a much better player in today's NBA, maybe even worthy of a top 10 pick.

I really like what I've heard from analysts about Hield as far as his drive to succeed and such but it's so hard for me to tell when you're talking about basically a man playing against boys.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

From 3, Hield shot 39% in 13-14, 36% in 14-15, and 46% last year. He was never a poor shooter.

His first three seasons his career shooting percentage is 42% and he took a TON of shots. He was a second round pick until his senior year where he vaulted to 50% shooting but it is such a statistical jump you know it's coming back down.

He isn't particularly athletic. He isn't a good defender. He had a career shooting year taking a big volume of shots then looked like crap the moment he played a real team in the tournament.

Add in his age and his inability to pass. Terrible player to even consider in the top 10.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Hield is a shooting guard and super efficient scorer.

His shooting and scoring numbers line up with Damian Lillard, Stephen Curry and about ten others.

Half of those were stars, the other half were very good role players.

The Monta comparison is just dumb and completely wrong.

So he was a super efficient scorer when he shot 42% for the first 3 years of college or did you just have no idea who he was prior to this season?

How many games in person have you seen him play?

 

[JCSunsfan]

His first three seasons his career shooting percentage is 42% and he took a TON of shots. He was a second round pick until his senior year where he vaulted to 50% shooting but it is such a statistical jump you know it's coming back down.



He isn't particularly athletic. He isn't a good defender. He had a career shooting year taking a big volume of shots then looked like crap the moment he played a real team in the tournament.



Add in his age and his inability to pass. Terrible player to even consider in the top 10.

He did it for an entire year. And he is not a combo guard, he is a sg. I would absolutely love to have him and I think you are totally wrong.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

He did it for an entire year. And he is not a combo guard, he is a sg. I would absolutely love to have him and I think you are totally wrong.

Yep he did it for an entire year.

He did 42% for 3 years. Which is the aberration there?


Okay let me try this another way. Name me a senior guard with mediocre athletic ability and poor passing skills that went on to do anything in the NBA.

He is literally just a jump shooter.

That's fine at #13. That's terrible at #4

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Oh I will answer my own question:

Name me this player:

6'4" Senior Shooting Guard.

Senior Stats

52% from the field. 42% from 3 point land. Made 139 3s. 86% FTs APG 2.3. Extremely close to Hield's career year.

Spoiler

JJ Reddick

I can't think of any other senior guard around 6'5 with mediocre athleticism that matches in the NBA. And people will say "Well there aren't that many of those", which is the entire point.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Despite having serious concerns about Chriss I think we might as well take him at 4 and either Skal or Davis at 13. Odds are against all 3 of them but maybe between two of them we can find a stud forward.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Yep he did it for an entire year.



He did 42% for 3 years. Which is the aberration there?





Okay let me try this another way. Name me a senior guard with mediocre athletic ability and poor passing skills that went on to do anything in the NBA.



He is literally just a jump shooter.



That's fine at #13. That's terrible at #4

One year is not an aberration, it is improvement. Can't see that any other way. And I am sure he did not get many assists because he was absolutely the most efficient player on his college team.

 

[hcsilla]

I share some concerns about Hield, he is not easy to project.

JJ Redick is one comparison that did cross my mind when I saw Hield. OJ Mayo is another. He can become something like CJ McCollum as well but Hield' stats look like more dominant than himself does on the floor.

Hield is a nice pick at #10.

At #4? (let's forget about Booker (and Knight) for a moment) I'm not so sure.

 

[sunsfan88]

Yea I wouldn't take Hield at #4 either. If he's still available at #10 sure but I doubt he lasts that long. Besides he's a pure SG, and we already have Booker who is a pure SG too. I'd rather bring in someone who can eventually start alongside Booker rather than replace Booker.

 

[Errntknght]

Yea I wouldn't take Hield at #4 either. If he's still available at #10 sure but I doubt he lasts that long. Besides he's a pure SG, and we already have Booker who is a pure SG too. I'd rather bring in someone who can eventually start alongside Booker rather than replace Booker.

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