With the second pick in the 2007 nfl draft....

[Diamondback Jay]

I don't know why people think James would fetch this team a second rounder when he couldn't even get the Colts that two years ago, after coming off a season with 2,031 all purpose yards and 9 TDs, where he was two years younger.

Sorry guys, if you're giving up James now, his value is low. I know a lot of people seem to have hitched their wagons to the Adrian Peterson Express but I'd be willing to bet he's not going to be a Cardinal anytime soon.

I see them trading down and getting either Long, Thomas or preferrably Gaither which is all fine by me!

 

[vinnymac]

i like the trade down scenario. i would just stay away from wisconsin players. they seem to be a bust most of the time. i just soon go after the tackle at usc, baker. at least their will be some sort of unity with lutui.

 

[Duckjake]

i like the trade down scenario. i would just stay away from wisconsin players. they seem to be a bust most of the time. i just soon go after the tackle at usc, baker. at least their will be some sort of unity with lutui.

Wisconsin first round selections since 2000:

Erasmus James,Lee Evans,Wendall Bryant,Jamar Fletcher, Michael Bennett, Ron Dayne, Chris McIntosh.

 

[AZ Shocker]

Could we trade our 1st round pick for a new owner?

Short of that...we will still suck!

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Could we trade our 1st round pick for a new owner?

Yes, but unfortunately the only owner we could get in return would be Al Davis.

 

[CaptTurbo]

If we somehopw got Tomlinson to come here he would barely see 1000 yards just like James.

But people still think we need to uprade RB. Rediculous.

 

[Reddog]

I don't seeing us doing this deal because he is well liked in the locker room and trading him after just one year might unsettle guys like Q. Also, he is relitively cheap in cash terms over the next three seasons given the fact that we will have paid him about $15M of his contract in 2006 leaving salaries of about $5M per year for the next three.

That said, these same economics make it plausable for someone like NY to want him. James is 28 vs Barber at 31. Barber will earn $8.3M over the next two years vs Edgerin's $10.25M.

So just for fun what does the trade look like? Does NY give up a 2nd or player(s)? BTW I bet Peyton put in a good word with little brother.



Barber would be leaving a lot on the table -- $8.3 million -- the amount he would earn over the final two years of his contract.

http://cbs.sportsline.com/nfl/story/9738681/rss

Reports are indicating that James got a 4-year deal worth $30 million, including a $7 million signing bonus. That's a million short of the signing bonus that Seattle's Shaun Alexander was given.
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But wait. According to his agent, Drew Rosenhaus, James will put $14.75 million in the bank by the time he hangs up his cleats at the end of his first season in Arizona. And he will reportedly earn a grand total of $20 million by the end of his second season. Both FoxSports.Com and ESPN.com are reporting that in additin to his initial signing bonus of $7 million, he'll get a $4.5 million roster bonus on the seventh day of the 2006 league year, which would be in the next day or so. The base salaries in the contract are $3.25 million (for 2006), $5.25 million (2007), $5 million (2008) and $5 million (2009).
http://colts.scout.com/2/507977.html

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Ginn is projected as a top 5 pick. As far as a speed WR goes, I think that would do a world's difference in our offense. I'm salivating more over the prospect of Ginn returning kicks and punts. Boldin and Fitz are very similar receivers and our supposed deep threat in Johnson is just a joke. Fix O-line in the draft and FA, grab a corner, and Ginn. Judgment can then be passed on Edge.

We would also need a coach that will involve a TE in the gameplan and we can see what we have in Pope. At this point I don't know...Green's plan doesn't seem to involve him at all.

Ginn is all speed but he's not a top 5 pick.He would be a good pick if we traded down and there weren't too many other needs. Ginn would be perfect for a team like Pittsburgh. They are having a down year but are pretty solid at most positions. If our OL was up to snuff then i could see it but not at #2 regardless.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

If we somehopw got Tomlinson to come here he would barely see 1000 yards just like James.

But people still think we need to uprade RB. Rediculous.

:golfclap:

 

[JC_AZ]

What teams are "contenders" that don't already have a RB?

Maybe Philly (and even they have Westbrook, but he's not really a between the tackles runner), but outside of them I really can't think of anyone.

The Broncos have inconsistency and injury-prone backs with a decent line to convince Edge he is capable...Houston is in desparate need and a perfect fit for Edge

 

[football karma]

If we somehopw got Tomlinson to come here he would barely see 1000 yards just like James.

But people still think we need to uprade RB. Rediculous.

To be clear--

its not that I think the Cards running game is a RB problem -- its an Ol talent + scheme problem

this thread is about taking a #2 pick in the draft rated player at the #2 pick -- not someone rated several spots, and at a different talent tier, lower

Joe Thomas has been described as a very good Lt, but not as good as Ferguson from the '06 draft, and below the "elite" level of Jones, Pace and Ogden.

Peterson is considered an "elite" Rb prospect -- the best in the past five drafts or so, and better than Reggie Bush.

 

[Russ Smith]

What teams are "contenders" that don't already have a RB?

Maybe Philly (and even they have Westbrook, but he's not really a between the tackles runner), but outside of them I really can't think of anyone.

The Giants are hte popular one with Tiki retiring but they have Brandon Jacobs and the rumor is they want Burner Turner from San Diego.

 

[abomb]

Faulk was 25 when he was traded and a lot less mileage than the 28yo Edge. No way anyone gives the Cardinals a second rounder for him.

 

[Russ Smith]

To be clear--

its not that I think the Cards running game is a RB problem -- its an Ol talent + scheme problem

this thread is about taking a #2 pick in the draft rated player at the #2 pick -- not someone rated several spots, and at a different talent tier, lower

Joe Thomas has been described as a very good Lt, but not as good as Ferguson from the '06 draft, and below the "elite" level of Jones, Pace and Ogden.

Peterson is considered an "elite" Rb prospect -- the best in the past five drafts or so, and better than Reggie Bush.

Yeah tha'ts my argument all along, if there is no OL rated that high you either have to trade down, or take Peterson.

 

[Russ Smith]

Faulk was 25 when he was traded and a lot less mileage than the 28yo Edge. No way anyone gives the Cardinals a second rounder for him.

Agreed, trading Edge would be a nice thing but not necessarily a given, so we have Peterson, Edge and Arrington on the same team next year, doesn't really concern me?

 

[Pariah]

Yeah tha'ts my argument all along, if there is no OL rated that high you either have to trade down, or take Peterson.

I'll go a step further. You don't trade James. Have a badass backfield for the next two years.

 

[az jam]

I'll go a step further. You don't trade James. Have a badass backfield for the next two years.

Nothing wrong with that as long as we can also fix the OL.

 

[ARZCardinals]

you gotta be ******** to get rid of Edgerine James for a rookie that's injured.

Edge has run for over 1500 yards behind a decent line. If you blame him for our running game, you are NOT watching the game.
He's hit in the backfield and gets out most of the time. He's got guys all over him.

Placing Peterson above Edge is f'n crazy!!!

 

[Russ Smith]

you gotta be ******** to get rid of Edgerine James for a rookie that's injured.

Edge has run for over 1500 yards behind a decent line. If you blame him for our running game, you are NOT watching the game.
He's hit in the backfield and gets out most of the time. He's got guys all over him.

Placing Peterson above Edge is f'n crazy!!!

How come people take strawmen and get all upset about it? Nobody said Edge was to blame. The simple idea is Edge will be 29, which is getting old for a RB, coming off the worst season of his career. The Colts couldn't get a 2nd rounder for him 2 years ago, there's a reason for that, RB's at his age don't have a ton of value in trades.

If the Cards can't get fair value in a trade down, they're stuck, either you draft an OL who might be a reach that high(#2 in this scenario) or you take another player who you actually rate that high. We're assuming here PEterson is one such guy.

Peterson will be a very good NFL RB, will he come in as a rookie and take the job from Edge, probably not, but he'll help this team. he's returned KO's for OU, he's got much more speed than Edge.

And the other part of the equation is some of us may be assuming that Edge isn't happy here and might WANT out?

 

[jefftheshark]

How come people take strawmen and get all upset about it? Nobody said Edge was to blame. The simple idea is Edge will be 29, which is getting old for a RB, coming off the worst season of his career. The Colts couldn't get a 2nd rounder for him 2 years ago, there's a reason for that, RB's at his age don't have a ton of value in trades.

If the Cards can't get fair value in a trade down, they're stuck, either you draft an OL who might be a reach that high(#2 in this scenario) or you take another player who you actually rate that high. We're assuming here PEterson is one such guy.

Peterson will be a very good NFL RB, will he come in as a rookie and take the job from Edge, probably not, but he'll help this team. he's returned KO's for OU, he's got much more speed than Edge.

And the other part of the equation is some of us may be assuming that Edge isn't happy here and might WANT out?

Getting Edge was like buying new car. If you decide that you made a mistake and want to sell right away, you are going to take a bath.

To me, the solution is to fix the things that are keeping him from being the player that we thought he was, rather than getting his replacement this year. I would rather see us trade away the pick for an established player (like we did for Rob Moore) than to select someone just because they are the best player available.

The Shark

 

[Goldfield]

Enough of this crappy Line. We need to throw every bit of logic out the window at this point & go OVER board on fixing the oline!

If it means taking a OT 3 spots to high FINE. We need to draft 2-3 linemen, & sign 2-3 more in F/A.

If AP is such an elite back then there will be trades available.

Fix that line period! Give not only James a chance to perform at a high level but Leinart also...

 

[john h]

The Arizona Cardinals select............

Adrian Peterson, RB Oklahoma


Here is the deal:

1. We all know the Cards arent getting the first pick. As bad as they have historically been, they never are the very worst in any one season -- you can bet that they will beat a disinterested SD team the last game of the season to cost them the first overall slot. That leaves Detroit to take Brady Quinn.

2. Joe Thomas is tempting, but too high for the second pick, and nobody is trading up for #2.

3. The Cards pull the Indy miracle part two: Indy had Marshall Faulk and a promising QB named Payton Manning coming off his rookie season. They shocked everyone by trading Faulk for all of a 2nd round pick and took Edgerrin James. Colts offense explodes and the rest is history.

The Cards trade away an increasingly disconsolate James to a contender for a 2nd round pick. Adrian comes in to team up with Matt, offense explodes. Circle of life is complete.

4. Why Peterson? Well, after Quinn -- it seems that Calvin Johnson and Peterson are neck and neck for #2. The Cards got the wideout spots covered -- and could use the home run hitting ability of Peterson. He is 6', 210 lbs and runs a 4.4. This guy is Reggie Bush explosive, but with 25 carries a game size.

I for one am tired of seeing those occasions when Edge does hit the second level of the defense and quickly gets caught from behind. At this point in his career, he is a mucker. Keeps his feet, always forward, but isnt going to run away from anybody.

5. Well what about the OL? This draft is deep enough in good tackles that one will be there at pick #34 or so.


I have said my peace, at least on this. Discuss.

Wait a year and take Darren McFadden out of Arkansas. He has already broke the record for running yards at Arkasas in a season and has two more games. He is 4 or 4 in passing including a 30 yd TD. Run back two kickoffs for TD's (98 yds and 86 yds). Around 235 lbs and runs under a 4.4 and has the moves of a Reggie Bush and the power of a Jim Brown. Best RB I have seen in college in the past 10 years. In the run for the Heisman tropohy and already named 1st team All American on one of the early list. Several of the SEC Coaches have said he should be in the NFL now. On kickoffs teams are now short kicking to avoid him. I think he averaging around 8 yds a carry. Reminds me of Jim Brown except much faster and is a tailback who can pass, takes kickoffs, runs with extreme power and speed. Not much hype on this guy being from Arkansas but he will be a top 10 pick next year and could be the #1 pick.

 

[Russ Smith]

Wait a year and take Darren McFadden out of Arkansas. He has already broke the record for running yards at Arkasas in a season and has two more games. He is 4 or 4 in passing including a 30 yd TD. Run back two kickoffs for TD's (98 yds and 86 yds). Around 235 lbs and runs under a 4.4 and has the moves of a Reggie Bush and the power of a Jim Brown. Best RB I have seen in college in the past 10 years. In the run for the Heisman tropohy and already named 1st team All American on one of the early list. Several of the SEC Coaches have said he should be in the NFL now. On kickoffs teams are now short kicking to avoid him. I think he averaging around 8 yds a carry. Reminds me of Jim Brown except much faster and is a tailback who can pass, takes kickoffs, runs with extreme power and speed. Not much hype on this guy being from Arkansas but he will be a top 10 pick next year and could be the #1 pick.

arkansas lists him at 205, I could believe 210, he's nowhere near 235 though.

Terrific player, very explosive he's got ridiculous acceleration.

He and Felix Jones are amazing, Jones is near 1000 yards and averages 7.6 YPC, about 1.5 higher than McFadden. They both regularly rip off long runs.

Of course if we wait a year we hopefully won't be anywhere near high enough to get McFadden because whoever we do pick will have helped make us better.

 

[Pariah]

Nothing wrong with that as long as we can also fix the OL.

I think we can fix the oline outside of the first round this year.

People also have to realize--especially if you subscribe to the "scrap the entire line" theory--that we're not going to go from the worst line in football to the best over night. Even if we draft 3 OTs in the first three rounds, we're probably not going to be much better.

I think we need to salvage some parts from the current line, try to upgrade as much as we can in the offseason and then go into the season with the idea that one or two of the kids we draft will contribute as starters in the second half of the season (ala Lutui).

But, when the top prospect at T is Thomas, and the top prospect at RB is Peterson and they're both staring you in the face when the Cardinals are on the clock, I think it's insanity to take Thomas.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

You can't force your hand into having to take 1 player. If we draft Peterson and he comes in better than Edge then cut Edge if no trade can be worked out. As much cap space as we have we could take the hit. Plus, i think the OL has played decent the last two weeks.It still needs plenty of help, mostly at center, but, if we tag Big, we can get upgrades throughout the draft and don't have to take a lineman in round 1. If the Cards don't franchise Big then they are pretty much commiting themselves to drafting an OT in round 1.