Wk 1 Arizona Cardinals @ Tennessee Titans Pre Game thread Sept 6 - Sept 11, 2021

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

They also act like the darksiders are the exception to the rule for what general consensus is for the Rams this year... even though the Rams have the fifth best odds in the league to win the Super Bowl.

Lol. Right. We are closer to the consensus on these teams than are the koolaiders because we tend to view things a bit more objectively without the homer shades. If the football minds and history supported the koolaiders perspective I think I’d be forced to take a step back and reconsider my position.

 

[Solar7]

Actually, it's a scheduling gift to get any good team early opposed to later when they're operating on all cylinders

My thought with the Titans is that they're one of the teams in the league that could be most easily torn apart by injury this year. Henry's workload is going to catch up to him soon. Julio's old and missed a good chunk of time last year. Getting them healthy right now isn't encouraging, whereas I think if this is a week 10 matchup, maybe Henry is banged up and slowing down, and Julio is dealing with some nagging stuff to negate his speed.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

As for the game, I have no clue what to expect, but a road win in an early east coast game, against a playoff team with weapons galore on offense would definitely surprise me.

This is where I’m at. Can we win? Sure. I don’t have a grasp of what we are really going to be yet. But the basic facts align against a w at present.

 

[ajcardfan]

As for the game, I have no clue what to expect, but a road win in an early east coast game, against a playoff team with weapons galore on offense would definitely surprise me.

I feel like we have nothing to lose. This is an expected loss. Some times, teams thrive in that situation.

I have no clue what will happen Sunday. Usually, I have a strong feeling one way or another as to whether we win or lose. Not this time.

 

[ajcardfan]

My thought with the Titans is that they're one of the teams in the league that could be most easily torn apart by injury this year. Henry's workload is going to catch up to him soon. Julio's old and missed a good chunk of time last year. Getting them healthy right now isn't encouraging, whereas I think if this is a week 10 matchup, maybe Henry is banged up and slowing down, and Julio is dealing with some nagging stuff to negate his speed.

Their defense was not good last year. 28th overall. If that is true this year, we can definitely put up points. Of course they made a couple of moves ot improve. But how they work out.... ?

 

[Cheesebeef]

I feel like we have nothing to lose. This is an expected loss. Some times, teams thrive in that situation.

I have no clue what will happen Sunday. Usually, I have a strong feeling one way or another as to whether we win or lose. Not this time.

Pretty much the same.

 

[BritCard]

And you do the opposite. You literally just dismissed tannehill for no reason. Lol.

No I didn't. Its not based on no reason.

I explained earlier I think the extra pressure of more mouths to feed will negatively effect him. I think Henry won't get close to 2000 yards and the pressure to throw more will negatively effect him.

On top of that I don't think his O line is as good. Especially the right side.

Combined I think he's not as good.

 

[BritCard]

Firkser played well in Jonnu’s absence. I don’t think he’s the same caliber, but he’s a real TE.

See this is what I'm saying about the rose tinted glasses. He had 397 yards at only 9.9 YPA and only 1 TD on 39 receptions.

Smith had only 2 more receptions. 448 yards at 10.9 YPA and 8 TDs. Clearly much better.

Firkser is a decent player but he's not even their TE1. That's Geoff Swaim.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

I think both teams will struggle to start due to unfamilarity, shortened camp / preseason, and better than expected defensive performance on both sides. I am thinking 26-23 will be the final. Not sure which team ends up with the 26.

Over / Under on this game is 52.5. I like the under.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

I’m ready to go for week 1:

 

[BritCard]

Lol. Right. We are closer to the consensus on these teams than are the koolaiders because we tend to view things a bit more objectively without the homer shades. If the football minds and history supported the koolaiders perspective I think I’d be forced to take a step back and reconsider my position.

No, you don't. You take the most negative years of a career and make the guy all about that and pick and choose how you do it.

For example, on the one hand you go on about Greens production last year and say its only what he has done lately that counts. Fair enough.

But then say he's an injury risk while ignoring he played all 16 last year.

You want to use latest production only to argue one point and ignore latest health to argue another.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

No I didn't. Its not based on no reason.

I explained earlier I think the extra pressure of more mouths to feed will negatively effect him. I think Henry won't get close to 2000 yards and the pressure to throw more will negatively effect him.

On top of that I don't think his O line is as good. Especially the right side.

Combined I think he's not as good.

Lol. If it were the cardinals we were talking about and someone made the “we have too much talent” argument you’d be bashing them left and right. I think you just proved my point.

 

[BritCard]

Lol. If it were the cardinals we were talking about and someone made the “we have too much talent” argument you’d be bashing them left and right. I think you just proved my point.

I'm not making a "they have too much talent" argument. I'm saying their offense was relatively simple. Hand it off and if not 1st read is Brown.

They also have a new OC that isn't very good. Which I also mentioned earlier.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

See this is what I'm saying about the rose tinted glasses. He had 397 yards at only 9.9 YPA and only 1 TD on 39 receptions.

Smith had only 2 more receptions. 448 yards at 10.9 YPA and 8 TDs. Clearly much better.

Firkser is a decent player but he's not even their TE1. That's Geoff Swaim.

Clearly much better?!? 1 yard per catch and TDs (which are really dependent on a TON of factors not in the player’s control). And I clearly said they aren’t the same level of talent but that Firkser was a legit TE. I believe when jonnu missed time Firkser was a nice replacement for them. But go ahead and denigrate the opposition whilst I’m sure you believe that losing Arnold was no big deal. You keep proving MY point. I’d stop responding to my posts right about now if I were you before you dig yourself deeper.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

No, you don't. You take the most negative years of a career and make the guy all about that and pick and choose how you do it.

For example, on the one hand you go on about Greens production last year and say its only what he has done lately that counts. Fair enough.

But then say he's an injury risk while ignoring he played all 16 last year.

You want to use latest production only to argue one point and ignore latest health to argue another.

No, you’re not paying attention. I’m saying his pro bowls were yeeeaars ago. His injury and mediocre performance years were more recent than that. Which is true. Don’t put false words in my mouth, it makes you a liar.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I'm not making a "they have too much talent" argument. I'm saying their offense was relatively simple. Hand it off and if not 1st read is Brown.

They also have a new OC that isn't very good. Which I also mentioned earlier.

Gee how did corey Davis end up with 980 yards? And their TEs end up with close to 900 yards? Dude your arguments are getting weaker and weaker.

 

[BritCard]

Clearly much better?!? 1 yard per catch and TDs (which are really dependent on a TON of factors not in the player’s control). And I clearly said they aren’t the same level of talent but that Firkser was a legit TE. I believe when jonnu missed time Firkser was a nice replacement for them. But go ahead and denigrate the opposition whilst I’m sure you believe that losing Arnold was no big deal. You keep proving MY point. I’d stop responding to my posts right about now if I were you before you dig yourself deeper.

Its literally 10% better in YPC and 8x the touchdowns on similar receptions.

He's so good he's behinds Geoff Swaim on their week 1 depth chart.

I'm not the one digging holes here.

 

[DVontel]

I wish the weeks we played Tennessee & Indy were switched around. I’d feel much better playing Tennessee late & Indy early than vice-versa.

 

[football karma]

I wish the weeks we played Tennessee & Indy were switched around. I’d feel much better playing Tennessee late & Indy early than vice-versa.

if there is ever a week to be a road underdog: its Week 1

 

[Cheesebeef]

No, you don't. You take the most negative years of a career and make the guy all about that and pick and choose how you do it.

For example, on the one hand you go on about Greens production last year and say its only what he has done lately that counts. Fair enough.

But then say he's an injury risk while ignoring he played all 16 last year.

You want to use latest production only to argue one point and ignore latest health to argue another.

no, we take the most RECENT years of a player's career, especially an OLD player at 33 to gauge what his impact will be this year.

right now, until proven otherwise, we have a guy who has had 1 1000 yard season in the last 5 seasons, while missing extensive time through 3 of those season, wasn't very productive in his latest season where he was healthy (even though other WRs were on the same team) and is now at an advanced age at 33.

This ain't that hard to understand.

 

[BritCard]

no, we take the most RECENT years of a player's career, especially an OLD player at 33 to gauge what his impact will be this year.

right now, until proven otherwise, we have a guy who has had 1 1000 yard season in the last 5 seasons, while missing extensive time through 3 of those season, wasn't very productive in his latest season where he was healthy (even though other WRs were on the same team) and is now at an advanced age at 33.

This ain't that hard to understand.

Well that's what I said. So no it's not hard to understand.

My clear point was you can't use last year's production and ignore everything previous yet at the same time ignore last year's health and go further back for injuries.

If you're using last year for production then include it for health too.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

I wish the weeks we played Tennessee & Indy were switched around. I’d feel much better playing Tennessee late & Indy early than vice-versa.

I don't know. It seems that Henry really gets going after a few games. I think playing him week one is preferred, especially if he didn't take any hits all off-season.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

if there is ever a week to be a road underdog: its Week 1

This...and the fact it's a 10am start on the road, to me, doesn't mean as much in week one as it might in week 6 or 10.

 

[football karma]

This...and the fact it's a 10am start on the road, to me, doesn't mean as much in week one as it might in week 6 or 10.

something smart that the team has been doing:

they practice at like 9 am in the morning and have been for some time. I dont think there is a 10 am excuse

 

[Solar7]

Its literally 10% better in YPC and 8x the touchdowns on similar receptions.

He's so good he's behinds Geoff Swaim on their week 1 depth chart.

I'm not the one digging holes here.

He's a receiving TE, similar to the situation we had with Maxx Williams and Dan Arnold last year. Williams was always going to be the starter, but Arnold was going to be the guy targeted.

Two TE sets are a thing, and Firkser will probably get his looks and do pretty well.