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Wk 1 Arizona Cardinals @ Tennessee Titans Pre Game thread Sept 6 - Sept 11, 2021
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Really hope Jones and Hudson get the push needed.
There's a *a bit* of me that worries Hudson isnt the same and we basically let the Chiefs get Creed Humphrey.
Would be happy to know that our interior dominates on Sunday.
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Derrick Henry would be a test for All Pro linebackers. Will be a massive problem for Cards on Sunday.
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There is a YouTube video posted by a Bengals fan on AJ Greens 2020 season and what went wrong.
Watch two games of his breakdown, and its quite obvious that Green was being thrown wounded ducks over and over.
Linked it for the darksiders multiple times. No response.
Joe Burrow threw a TON of uncatchable crap at Green but the darksiders just look at the numbers and care nothing about what actually happened. Keim even mentioned that and a few of the darksiders just brushed it off, even though the tape supports how bad Green had it.
Yep it’s funny how they keep ignoring it too...
I never said he wouldn't. I said adding Julio Jones and starting Firkser while losing Davis and Smith isn't the huge leap in production it's made out to be.
Corey Davis had 70 yards per game last year. Julio Jones had 85. That's the difference. 15 YPG. And that's if Jones doesn't decline again has he has 3 years in a row losing 20 yards per game. Corey Davis had 11 TD's, Julio has never had 11 in his career and had 1 every 3 games last year. He's only passed 6 once in the last 5 years.
Which again is more typical darksider vision. Julio Jones is 8 months younger than AJ Green. 8 months. Yet AJ Green is a washed up has been who's too old now and injury prone.
Yet Julio Jones is still peak Julio who's going to tear us to shreds and the 8 games he missed last year and the 3 weeks of camp he missed don't mean anything.
You look at the Titans analytically and they shouldn't be so hard to stop if you have the right game plan.
They run on 1st down at a rate of 65%. This get's as high as 74% between the 40's and is at it's lowest in their own 1-20 where it's around 52%. 1268 of Henry's yards came on 1st down vs 617 on 2nd down. 1428 of his yards were made when the yardage required was 10+. So the vast majority of his runs are on 1st and 10 or 2nd and 10+. 75% of his yards were on 1st and 10 or 2nd and 5+.
Most of Henry's yards, and most of his runs of 10+ are outside the tackle box.
I don't care who they have at WR, if you stop Henry you have a strong chance to stop the Titans. I'm selling out vs run on every 1st down and 2nd and 5+ past their 20. I'm playing 3 LB's in Nickel with Collins and Simmons speed at Sam and Wil and I'm sealing the **** out of the edge. Using Simmons and Collins coverage ability gives us the flexibility on those downs to stop the run and cover TE's.
Considering the right side of their O line is nowhere near as good this year and we have Watt on that side I'm favoring the left side over the right.
Henry's worst games last year were against 3-4 defenses. 75 yards vs Steelers. 68 vs Chicago. 98 vs Green Bay (yes 98 was a bad day for him). Which suggests he struggles more vs the wider 3-4 line on 1st down.
Another massive factor to bear in mind is Henry is a slow starter to the season. In 2018 he only had 163 yards through his first 4 games vs 585 through the last 4. In 2019 he only had 581 yards after 8 games and 959 in the final 8. Last year he had 376 yards through his first 4 games vs 710 through his last 4.
Obviously all this said he's going to run over us for 200 yards now.
It's the Cardinals way
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I watched it and came away thinking Joe Burrow isn't as good as I thought. In the two games I watched the plays to Green, like 2 out of 10 were catchable
This is nonsense from Keim.
Boldin went into the team game 1 as WR1 or at least expectations of being WR1. Moore is WR4, at best WR3. There's no way he can have the same impact.
Boldin went into the team game 1 as WR1 or at least expectations of being WR1. Moore is WR4, at best WR3. There's no way he can have the same impact.
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I'm hoping Rondale Moore has an immediate impact as well. It's different than saying he is going to have the same impact as Boldin.
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Have a really good feeling about this game. I think Rondale has the ability to "unlock" our offense, whether that means pre snap motion, screens (gulp), or just the simple threat of his game breaking speed. If kliff can property utilize his skillset, which I think he can based on what I saw in that first quarter of the Cowboys game, sky could be the limit. Then Kliff will need to continually adjust to the adjustments throughout the year.
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Gardecky !! Love that guy
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Those videos don't explain how the Bengals' two other wideouts were able to be extremely productive in the same situation.
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Mentioned it somewhere here you can't really judge Green from last year for multiple reasons. he wasn't 100%, and the thing he does really well, stretch defenses, wasn't available because Burrow doesn't have a strong arm and really struggled with those throws last year. People are predicting Burrow will get 5000 yards passing this year due to all the WR's they have, he could, but it probably won't be on long throws unless he REALLY improved while rehabbing the injury.
He and Green were just not a good fit. The Cards offense tends to be shorter passes but Kyler has always been quite good throwing the ball downfield, even for us he's been very good on the downfield throws so that's where I'm hoping Green, and Moore make a big difference. Stretch the field
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No one's ever confusing Andy Dalton with Matthew Stafford from an arm strength perspective.
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They don't have to. Use your eyes, and you'll see awful throws that prime Jerry Rice probably couldn't catch.
You can stand behind numbers or go watch the tape. What matters more?
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I know you don't like PFF, either do I but it's the first thing that popped up. Between 06 and 16, 10 years, Dalton was the 10th rated "deep passer" in the NFL. They define deep as 20 yards or more which I don't particularly agree with but it's their stat so I can't argue.
of course the primary reason he was a top 10 deep passer was AJ Green.
Burrow may wind up being a very good NFL QB I have no idea. He was the guy i was somewhat skeptical about from last years QB's because he improved so much that last year at LSU and played with so many NFL guys. He allegedly has gotten his arm stronger this year, while rehabbing the knee he specifically worked very hard on strengthening his arm so it will be interesting to see if that pans out.
I don't expect Green to be a pro bowler but I do agree with him that it's the first time in his career he's not been a #1Wr so he's finally going to get to play against #2 or #3 CB's, and this is the year to do that with CB's down league wide.
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Lets hope they actually include him in the pass game down the field.
Dont want Keim forcing a bunch of run plays to Moore cause Keim wants the ball in his hands.
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The last 4 years? How about the last 50 years? This team has always found a way to lose.
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