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I thought this was originally a 3 team deal with Bennett ending up in Philadelphia and Thad Young going to Minnesota? I suppose it could still end up being that since the trade isn't official yet. I'm not sure if they could swing that deal right away after the Love trade though as a separate deal. I'm not sure who backed out of that, if that was seriously considered but I'm not sure what the thinking would be though with Philly because they have Embiid, Noel, and Bennett would be a bigger mess than Drummond, Monroe, and Josh Smith in Detroit. Of course Embiid won't play this year but it just doesn't make much sense. I can see Minny's POV in the trade because they'd basically be giving Bennett up for someone more established that could help them win now but it's not like they'll make the playoffs, regardless if they have Bennett or Young.

If Minnesota isn't set on keeping Bennett would it be worthwhile to see what their asking price would be? Perhaps they'd let him go for their pick and the Suns pick next year, maybe throw in Gerald Green or Ennis if need be. We could absorb his salary so we wouldn't need to send a player back, which would allow Minny to get a trade exception and more financial flexibility. He isn't great now but he's shown some flashes and definite improvement in this years summer league. I think he's more NBA ready than Len is and in Phoenix he could play backup to Kieff at PF. Sure he wasn't worth the #1 overall pick but it was a weak draft overall and a pick made by a bad GM. He does have potential though and I think McD would view him as an asset because of his potential and being on a tradable contract. If he pans out for us, great and if he doesn't he should be tradable. He does have team options after the next two seasons also so it wouldn't hurt our future flexibility.


*Edit* I know the Minny pick we own isn't very valuable but it holds more value to Minnesota than anyone else I'd think due to the rules of not being able to trade consecutive picks so them having possession of it opens up their flexibility in regards to trading future picks.
 

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I'm not sure that they do. Their best player is Pekovic, and I think Gortat is easily his equal and probably his superior as a defender. Then you've got Rubio, who the jury is still out on, but to call him a dissapointment is putting it mildly. Then after Martin you're looking at an utter disaster of a team.

Yes, you had the Suns poisoned lockerroom, that is true. But they were certainly deeper than that Minnesota squad.

Now, we are plugging Wiggins into the equation, but, as demonstrated, Love was extremely important to that Minnesota team. With him on the court they were pretty good overall, when he rested they were a travesty. Wiggins will have to be great, and I mean legit all-star great, for that team to even push for .500, especially in the West.

I finally figured out what you were talking about - you meant Dieng instead of Gortat. In any case their two best players aside from Wiggins play the same position. On offense they can co-exist but on defense it will be awkward - Pek has to guard the biggest, slowest guy the opps have while Dieng is far and away their best paint protector but he'll be chasing PFs around - everyone will be throwing stretch 4s at them. He's also the better rebounder of the two. Pekovic has consistently missed a third of the games each year so who knows who they can get in a trade - that seems like the obvious direction to me.

Wiggins should make life a little easier for Rubio, since Ricky doesn't want to try to score. The also drafted Zach Lavine who is listed as a PG but I never heard that playmaking was his strong suit. Plus they added the much traveled, antique Mo Williams. So they seem to trying to get Rubio some help.
 

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I'm not sure that they do. Their best player is Pekovic, and I think Gortat is easily his equal and probably his superior as a defender. Then you've got Rubio, who the jury is still out on, but to call him a dissapointment is putting it mildly. Then after Martin you're looking at an utter disaster of a team.

Yes, you had the Suns poisoned lockerroom, that is true. But they were certainly deeper than that Minnesota squad.

Now, we are plugging Wiggins into the equation, but, as demonstrated, Love was extremely important to that Minnesota team. With him on the court they were pretty good overall, when he rested they were a travesty. Wiggins will have to be great, and I mean legit all-star great, for that team to even push for .500, especially in the West.




Rubio, Lavine, pek, wiggins, plus they will get more in the trade (like waiters).lWith Lavine and Wiggins they might be the most athletic team in the league. It's one if those young teams that could surprise.
 

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No, I meant Gortat, I was comparing their roster, aside from Love, to the 2013 Suns.
 

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No, I meant Gortat, I was comparing their roster, aside from Love, to the 2013 Suns.

Sorry, I see now thats what you were doing. In that case you're including Dieng in the utter disaster part of the team... I think he's the best player they have left from last year though he is hardly battle tested - thanks to their coach keeping him on the bench until he was forced to play him.
 

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Sorry, I see now thats what you were doing. In that case you're including Dieng in the utter disaster part of the team... I think he's the best player they have left from last year though he is hardly battle tested - thanks to their coach keeping him on the bench until he was forced to play him.
Oh, good grief. I forgot Dieng. He is a very good young player. Maybe the best player they have after Love and Rubio. So assuming they do the deal with Philly too...

Pek
Dieng
Young
Wiggins
Rubio

With Lavine, Bazz, KMart, and Waiters coming off the bench.
 
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Rubio, Lavine, pek, wiggins, plus they will get more in the trade (like waiters).lWith Lavine and Wiggins they might be the most athletic team in the league. It's one if those young teams that could surprise.

Oh, good grief. I forgot Dieng. He is a very good young player. Maybe the best player they have after Love and Rubio. So assuming they do the deal with Philly too...

Pek
Dieng
Young
Wiggins
Rubio

With Lavine, Bazz, KMart, and Waiters coming off the bench.

Did CLE include Waiters? I thought the deal was Wiggins, Bennett & a 1st rounder for Love?
 

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Did CLE include Waiters? I thought the deal was Wiggins, Bennett & a 1st rounder for Love?

I haven't been following it closely but I thought your last sentence was correct regarding Cleveland's trade parts.
 

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it looks like this is a 3 team deal with Philly, Minnesota, and Cleveland.

76'ers get:
Luc Mbah a Moute, Alexey Shved, and Miami Heat’s 1st rounder that Cleveland had

Wolves get:
Andrew Wiggins, Anthony Bennett, Thaddeus Young, 1st rounder from the Cavs, and a $4 million trade exception.

Cav's get:
Kevin Love


Yahoos report
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources--timberwolves-trading-for-thaddeus-young-043558042.html

Another source
http://www.vavel.com/en-us/nba/3826...berwolves-in-three-team-kevin-love-trade.html
 

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The TimberWolves will make the playoffs next year.
 

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The TimberWolves will make the playoffs next year.

Maybe, maybe not, but on the whole I think they made out very well in this trade. If Rubio ever figures out how to shoot, they could be pretty good.
 

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It was an absolute heist of a trade for Minnesota. Probably the best value I can ever remember a team getting when trading away a superstar. However, they still wont make the playoffs. That roster has a lot of serious deficiencies.
 

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Maybe, maybe not, but on the whole I think they made out very well in this trade. If Rubio ever figures out how to shoot, they could be pretty good.

yeah, they came out like bandits on this. this trade is as much a win-win as I think I can ever remember. they get both Wiggins and Bennett, one superstar talent and another very talented guy, who will be locked into the team for at least another 4 years AND they get Thad, who's a solid player now. can't imagine a better trade for them to have gotten considering contracts/talent that came back to them.
 

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Maybe, maybe not, but on the whole I think they made out very well in this trade. If Rubio ever figures out how to shoot, they could be pretty good.

I think that the Timberwolves with Wiggins are good enough to snag the 7th seed in the west.
 

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I think that the Timberwolves with Wiggins are good enough to snag the 7th seed in the west.

Yes. Wiggins is going to be an outstanding player. IMO, I think he will be an impact player this year as a rookie. I would extremely happy if was a timberwolves fan with this deal. Hope they find a way to do better than the Cavs.
 

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Yes. Wiggins is going to be an outstanding player. IMO, I think he will be an impact player this year as a rookie. I would extremely happy if was a timberwolves fan with this deal. Hope they find a way to do better than the Cavs.

I agree about Wiggins and the Cavs should've never traded Wiggins for Love. Who's the Minnesota Timberwolves GM? that General Manager deserves a raise.:)
 

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I agree about Wiggins and the Cavs should've never traded Wiggins for Love. Who's the Minnesota Timberwolves GM? that General Manager deserves a raise.:)

David Griffin. The Suns know him well. He left when Steve Kerr exited.

Edit: Griffin is the Cavaliers GM. Still pretty good.
 

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David Griffin. The Suns know him well. He left when Steve Kerr exited.

Edit: Griffin is the Cavaliers GM. Still pretty good.
This is what I don't understand.
Retweeted by Paul Coro Jon Krawczynski @APkrawczynski · Aug 21
For Flip to get Wiggins, Bennett AND Thad for Love (who was leaving), Shved, Moute and Miami's No. 1, hard to how he could've done better
The Cleveland Cavaliers couldn't wait one more year for Kevin Love? Flip deserves a lot of credit (GM of the year, maybe?) for highjacking the Cleveland Cavaliers.
 

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This is what I don't understand.

The Cleveland Cavaliers couldn't wait one more year for Kevin Love? Flip deserves a lot of credit (GM of the year, maybe?) for highjacking the Cleveland Cavaliers.

None of those players would help Lebron get to a championship in the short term and remember, he is on a two year contract. It's almost unthinkable that he would bail after two years but the Cavs can't afford to play cat and mouse with him. They need to give him weapons that are ready right now. Love is All You Need.

They overpaid but it makes sense to do it now when few teams are able to enter the bidding than wait until the next offseason and perhaps lose him to someone like the Lakers.

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The one thing I don't understand is why the Timberwolves wanted Anthony Bennett in the trade. Anthony Bennett stunk it up last year.
 

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The one thing I don't understand is why the Timberwolves wanted Anthony Bennett in the trade. Anthony Bennett stunk it up last year.


Rookie, dealing with an injury. They probably thought that he has some upside. Plus, he is probably going to play pf where they are thin.
 
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