Would Moss be worth a trade?

[vikesfan]

QUOTE: There seems to be a lot of conspiracy in Vikesfan's world.

RESPONSE: The media and NFL have repeatedly attacked Moss unfairly no conspiracy fact. I can document it for you.

QUOTE: Chris Carter is highly respected in NFL circles, his spot on Inside the NFL only adds to this perception. He also has overcome immaturity in his life, and tried to help Randy to not make the same mistakes he (Carter) did, early in his career.

RESPONSE: CC is a joke in Minnesota. Anyone remember his class performance when he was with Mia telling everyone Anderson was gonna miss that kick. The look on his face when he made it was priceless. They guy acted like a baby in Minn. and his phoney holier then thou attitude was a sad pathetic act. Anything he says take with 100 grains of salt.

Someone called me a homer I am not I call them as they are. The man is a jack a##. He played for my team and he is one of the best WRs in history and will go into the HOF as a Viking. But everyone in Minne. knows the dude was a phoney. Or ask people in GB or TB. He was a trashtalker and whiner how classy and professional is that?

QUOTE: Claiming a wide receiver needs to take plays off, because he has to run so far, is ridiculous. The only people on a football field allowed to be "tired" during a game, are the linemen. Linemen do hand-to-hand combat on every play from scrimmage. Randy weighs half what a lineman does, and runs against no resistance.
If Randy gets winded running 40 yd dashes, he should cut down on the pot smoking, and open up some more lung capacity.

RESPONSE: Argue with John Madden he said it. By the way he is not really taking plays off the plays are being called to the other side of the field.

QUOTE: Oh by the way... that unbreakable lease till 2011, doesn't need to be broken, they just make the payments, (chicken feed) and move on.

RESPONSE: Payments are a lot of money. Neither the LA group nor Red wanted to pay out those payments. Both the NFL and Red have admitted it was unbreakable. Do you remember when the Twins were folded the courts in Minne. would not allow it The courts in Minne. are very pro-sports. Hey they can leave in 2011. Just a few more years to go.

 

[Lex]

Vikesfan-

You're not really trying to tell me that Madden said it was ok to take plays off, as long as the play is on the other side of the field.

Are you?

If that's the case, then that rule must only apply to Moss. Does he have a deal with the D-backs covering him, that they won't chase down a run to the "other side?" Do the players on the "other side" promise to STAY on the "other side?" Do the linemen on the "other side" from the play call, just hang out with Randy till the play is over?

The lease at the HHH Metrodome IS unbreakable till 2011, but they pay what, 500 G's a year rent? If that much? McCombs could just stroke a check and pay it off like a mid level free agent.

The courts in Minnesota are ANTI-SPORTS, as in, if it costs money, we don't want it. The reason the Twins and Vikings are in the bad situation they are now, is because of how cheap the state was in the 80's, when they built that pile of crap called the "baggie."

 

[Gee!]

Originally posted by vikesfan
There are no problems with Moss before or after DG.

Does pot, car, meter maid, crash ring a bell?


I seriously hope your related to Moss or are getting paid to be his PR man with all this gushing your doing over him.

 

[Lars the Red]

Damn, Vikes, and I thought I had a chip on my shoulder. You need to lose the attitude and explain things in a calm, intelligent manner. Try these on for size:

-How do you deny Moss takes large numbers of plays off when Chris Collinsworth, Ron Jaworski and Chris Carter all shared loads of footage to support that claim? You may not like them, but they all said similar things and all had plenty of footage in which Moss totally dogged and who really isn't disgusted by the notion that a guy that makes the coin Moss does, dogs it regularly?

-How can we excuse Randy based on the claim that needs the rest because he runs so much more than others do? Basketball players run 94 ft. (30 yards) endlessly at times, and we all know what a great hooper Randy is supposed to be, why can they do it, and Super Man can't? Tell me again why he doesn't get to rest when the play clock is winding down?

-Do you suppose that one of the reasons Marvin catches so many more passes than Moss is because he keeps working to get open, and doesn't dog it when he's not Option #1? Could it also be that he regularly goes in the middle of the field and sits in the gaps?

-The Vikings have been known to run the ball on occasion, couldn't he get a little rest on those plays? He's never been known as a great blocker, and like every other guy, you have the time on the play clock to recover.

-Why do we need to go back 8 years when the guy throwing to Harrison has only been in the league 7? Personally, I don't see the problem with 6 years because who really expects much form a rookie even if that rookie is Manning?

-Moss had opportunities to change the public perception of him on several occasions, but has found ways to step on his tool. Why should we cut him slack anymore than a selfish prick like TO?

You obviously like the guy, and he does do some amazing things from a players standpoint, but the least you could be is honest in your critique of him. He has incredible ability, but he has large amounts of flaws to go with them.

All that said, if the price was right, I'd like to see him in RED.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Originally posted by Brian in Mesa
They'd probably want Anquan for Randy.

No way. Anquan is better than Moss.

 

[Lars the Red]

Originally posted by RugbyMuffin
No way. Anquan is better than Moss.

More of a team guy. More willing to make the tough catches. It's all in what you want your players to be.

 

[vikesfan]

Yes but you won 3 games with him plus the freebie from Minne. Put Moss on this team and you win 6 or 7 games and Shipp and your QB will both be much better NFL players.

Q is one of the most valuable wide recievers in the NFL. He might just be the second best WR in the NFL. He had one of the most amazing seasons in NFL history.

But Moss is one of the most valuable PLAYERS in the nfl.

What is the difference between the Cards and Vikes last year? Not much Moss and Culpepper are about the only difference.

If a guy is taking 3 defenders on a lot of plays that helps a team. If a guy still catches TDs despite being double and tripled that makes a team much better. 1 on 1 coverage with Moss and it's over it's a TD.

There is no proof Moss is less of a team guy or won't make the hard catches. In fact he played with leg injuries, a serious flu, and a CONCUSSION last year.


I am not going to attack Boldin. I wanted the Vikes to draft him with their #2 pick. He might become the best WR ever. He might become league MVP or SB MVP he is off to a great start. But as of today Moss is the man and might be the best player in the NFL he is right there. This guy is the very definition of difference maker.
I would take him on my team in heartbeat over just about anyone in the NFL. And if somehow he hooked up with Boldin... fugadaboutit!

 

[vikesfan]

QUOTE
You're not really trying to tell me that Madden said it was ok to take plays off, as long as the play is on the other side of the field.

Are you?

If that's the case, then that rule must only apply to Moss. Does he have a deal with the D-backs covering him, that they won't chase down a run to the "other side?" Do the players on the "other side" promise to STAY on the "other side?" Do the linemen on the "other side" from the play call, just hang out with Randy till the play is over?

RESPONSE Get the tape from FOX iirc it was a Cowboys game the year the "controversy" exploded. Madden said Moss doesn't take plays off he said the controversy is bogus cause Moss is running deep 20 more times then any other WR in the NFL. Argue with Madden.

QUOTE The lease at the HHH Metrodome IS unbreakable till 2011, but they pay what, 500 G's a year rent? If that much? McCombs could just stroke a check and pay it off like a mid level free agent.

RESPONSE He paid 200 million for the team. He was offered 400 millon and refuse he wants 600 million.
I have no idea what the rent is but the man is cheap.

Plus if suddenly he wasn't cheap anymore they can cite some BS to keep the team like they did with the TWINS I am pretty sure legally an owner can contract a team if he wants to but the courts forced him to NOT contract. HUH?!?!

QUOTE The courts in Minnesota are ANTI-SPORTS, as in, if it costs money, we don't want it. The reason the Twins and Vikings are in the bad situation they are now, is because of how cheap the state was in the 80's, when they built that pile of crap called the "baggie."


RESPONSE See the court thing on the Twins contracting in response above. The courts have nothing to do with any of this. The Twins and Vikings are in a bad situation because of 1 and only 1 thing THEIR OWNERS ARE CHEAP. (Also the Twins have that small market thing going which all of baseball does).

 

[vikesfan]

Originally posted by Lars the Red
QUOTE How do you deny Moss takes large numbers of plays off when Chris Collinsworth, Ron Jaworski and Chris Carter
RESPONSE Three of the biggest idiots in the NFL. Collinsworth proclaimed the Vikes the best in the NFL and SB favourites sometime during the win streak. I have already exposed CC. And Jawroski says plenty of dumb things.


QUOTE ...all shared loads of footage to support that claim? You may not like them, but they all said similar things and all had plenty of footage in which Moss totally dogged and who really isn't disgusted by the notion that a guy that makes the coin Moss does, dogs it regularly?

RESPONSE After this BS came out they went to veteran recievers around the NFL and they said it was BS all recievers DO THE SAME THINGS MOSS DOES.

QUOTE How can we excuse Randy based on the claim that needs the rest because he runs so much more than others do? Basketball players run 94 ft. (30 yards) endlessly at times, and we all know what a great hooper Randy is supposed to be, why can they do it, and Super Man can't? Tell me again why he doesn't get to rest when the play clock is winding down?

RESPONSE: I guess you have never seen a basketball game. They take breaks during play all the time.

QUOTE Do you suppose that one of the reasons Marvin catches so many more passes than Moss is because he keeps working to get open, and doesn't dog it when he's not Option #1? Could it also be that he regularly goes in the middle of the field and sits in the gaps?

RESPONSE Moss is AHEAD of Harrison! Do you suppose the reason that Moss is ahead of every reciever in the HISTORY OF THE NFL including Harrison and Jerry Rice is because he is NOT dogging but trying real hard. Despite 2 years of not being thrown to but being used as a decoy and not having a legit NFL #2 WR on the team and hence usually being doubled and often triple covered.

QUOTE: The Vikings have been known to run the ball on occasion, couldn't he get a little rest on those plays? He's never been known as a great blocker, and like every other guy, you have the time on the play clock to recover.

RESPONSE: That is what we are talking about primarily runs to the other side of the field. That is why these claims are bogus. Dude what were you thinking we were talking about. Not just runs but runs to the other side of the field. See why its bogus now? By the way Moss always gets downfield to make his blocks. He tries hard at blocking.

QUOTE: Why do we need to go back 8 years when the guy throwing to Harrison has only been in the league 7? Personally, I don't see the problem with 6 years because who really expects much form a rookie even if that rookie is Manning?

RESPONSE: When professionals judge players they look at their careers they don't look at segments. Moss is ahead of every WR to ever play. He is on his way to beating Rice - despite being used as a decoy the last 2 years. Using segments is unprofessional it hides the true stats and makes it appear he is not as good as he really is.


QUOTE: Moss had opportunities to change the public perception of him on several occasions, but has found ways to step on his tool. Why should we cut him slack anymore than a selfish prick like TO?

RESPONSE: This is sheer nonsense. Moss is not going to kiss anyone's a$$ neither is DG. If you want ass kissers hire Dungy and bring in some other WR. Moss is NOT selfish. TO and Meyshawn engaging in weekly interviews on FOX and ESPN attacking their coaches, co-ordinators, teammates, their QB! Moss has NEVER done this. When he does I will be the first one to say he screwed up. But even if he does it he will still be about 200 times behind TO and 300 times behind Meyshawn. I watch Moss get raped by the media and the NFL and the refs all year long - I don't know if I could take it. He is a better man then me I would have blown a fuse a long time ago!

QUOTE You obviously like the guy, and he does do some amazing things from a players standpoint, but the least you could be is honest in your critique of him. He has incredible ability, but he has large amounts of flaws to go with them.

RESPONSE I like the truth. The Moss thing is a myth. Meyshwan and TO are what they claim Moss is but he isn't He is attacked as such but its not true. Just like DG was not what the media painted him as. I cannot stand lies myths fabrications lynching media manipulation doublestandards!


QUOTE All that said, if the price was right, I'd like to see him in RED.

RESPONSE He would be the 1st WR chosen by any team if all players went into a common pool.

 

[Northern Card]

Originally posted by vikesfan
Yes but you won 3 games with him plus the freebie from Minne. ]

"freebie from Miinne"

So they deliberately lost the game and knocked themselves out of the playoffs.

 

[Gee!]

Randy Moss looks funny. Nuff said.

 

[Lars the Red]

Originally posted by vikesfan

Originally posted by Lars the Red
QUOTE How do you deny Moss takes large numbers of plays off when Chris Collinsworth, Ron Jaworski and Chris Carter
RESPONSE Three of the biggest idiots in the NFL. Collinsworth proclaimed the Vikes the best in the NFL and SB favourites sometime during the win streak. I have already exposed CC. And Jawroski says plenty of dumb things.

That's not answering the question, that's continuing to attack successful former players that use film footage to support their claims about Moss. You on the other hand, have done nothing but make unsubstanciated comments about them because you like Moss. Chalk one up for the 'Moss dogs it' fans.

...all shared loads of footage to support that claim? You may not like them, but they all said similar things and all had plenty of footage in which Moss totally dogged and who really isn't disgusted by the notion that a guy that makes the coin Moss does, dogs it regularly?

RESPONSE After this BS came out they went to veteran recievers around the NFL and they said it was BS all recievers DO THE SAME THINGS MOSS DOES.

Actually, I remember vividly several media members showing clips of former stud receivers and getting supporting statements from their team mates that they never took plays off. The one I remember most, because I never liked the guy, was M. Irvin. Aikman, Smith and J. Johnson all said the guy was a workaholic, and after seeing some of the Moss clips, just said, 'no, that's not how Michael played'. Chalk up two for the 'Moss dogs it' fans.

QUOTE How can we excuse Randy based on the claim that needs the rest because he runs so much more than others do? Basketball players run 94 ft. (30 yards) endlessly at times, and we all know what a great hooper Randy is supposed to be, why can they do it, and Super Man can't? Tell me again why he doesn't get to rest when the play clock is winding down?

RESPONSE: I guess you have never seen a basketball game. They take breaks during play all the time.

I played basketball, the NBA isn't basketball, the college game can be non-stop action for several minutes at a time with only seconds to get back into position and catch your wind. Football is short uses of energy, followed by periods of rest. The condition of football players is no where near that of basketball, soccer, rugby, etc. Chalk up three for the 'Moss dogs it' fans.

QUOTE Do you suppose that one of the reasons Marvin catches so many more passes than Moss is because he keeps working to get open, and doesn't dog it when he's not Option #1? Could it also be that he regularly goes in the middle of the field and sits in the gaps?

RESPONSE Moss is AHEAD of Harrison! Do you suppose the reason that Moss is ahead of every reciever in the HISTORY OF THE NFL including Harrison and Jerry Rice is because he is NOT dogging but trying real hard. Despite 2 years of not being thrown to but being used as a decoy and not having a legit NFL #2 WR on the team and hence usually being doubled and often triple covered.

Not really interested in answering the questions are you, Vikes? The stats for the last 6 years clearly show Moss have substancially fewer catches (and that was the stat I was pointing out). And just for grins, name the receivers the Colts have had over the same period. And just for sake of argument, don't you think defenses recognize which guy on the field caught 469 passes over 4 seasons? He's 6' 175 lbs. faces doubles all day and still seems to get open. I don't see the Harrison fans making excuses about his lack of size, or speed, or quality #2 & #3 receivers. Chalk up four for the 'Moss dogs it' fan.

QUOTE: The Vikings have been known to run the ball on occasion, couldn't he get a little rest on those plays? He's never been known as a great blocker, and like every other guy, you have the time on the play clock to recover.

RESPONSE: That is what we are talking about primarily runs to the other side of the field. That is why these claims are bogus. Dude what were you thinking we were talking about. Not just runs but runs to the other side of the field. See why its bogus now? By the way Moss always gets downfield to make his blocks. He tries hard at blocking.

Oh my God! I thought you were just a fan of Moss, now I get it, your possessed. Saying Moss always gets down field to make his blocks is like Deon Sanders fans saying he was a great tackler. Chalk up five for the 'Moss dogs it' fans.

QUOTE: Why do we need to go back 8 years when the guy throwing to Harrison has only been in the league 7? Personally, I don't see the problem with 6 years because who really expects much form a rookie even if that rookie is Manning?

RESPONSE: When professionals judge players they look at their careers they don't look at segments. Moss is ahead of every WR to ever play. He is on his way to beating Rice - despite being used as a decoy the last 2 years. Using segments is unprofessional it hides the true stats and makes it appear he is not as good as he really is.

The league is built on stats. Individual play. Single Quarter. First half. Second half. Game. Two game. Season. Playoff. Two year. Three year. So on and so forth. You can't ignore the accomplishments of individuals for individual seasons or the last 4 or 5 seasons. Who would argue that T. Davis wasn't one of the most dominant players in the league for a only a few seasons? Couldn't we say the same about Bo Jackson? Your choosing to view stats that make your guy look better overall than he has his last few years. Personally I find the 'decoy' argument questionable at best. If he was open, he'd get the ball. If he'd truely been a decoy, his team mates should have had much better stats.

QUOTE: Moss had opportunities to change the public perception of him on several occasions, but has found ways to step on his tool. Why should we cut him slack anymore than a selfish prick like TO?

RESPONSE: This is sheer nonsense. Moss is not going to kiss anyone's a$$ neither is DG. If you want ass kissers hire Dungy and bring in some other WR. Moss is NOT selfish. TO and Meyshawn engaging in weekly interviews on FOX and ESPN attacking their coaches, co-ordinators, teammates, their QB! Moss has NEVER done this. When he does I will be the first one to say he screwed up. But even if he does it he will still be about 200 times behind TO and 300 times behind Meyshawn. I watch Moss get raped by the media and the NFL and the refs all year long - I don't know if I could take it. He is a better man then me I would have blown a fuse a long time ago!

Uh, right. The pot smoking, the bumping the meter maid, the tirade at team mates, the 'I play when I want' comments, the racism comments, the I need X number of touches comments, squirting water at refs, berating refs, do I need to go on? You reap what you sow and Moss has rubbed lots of people the wrong way. If he would play the 'game' a little better, you might be surprised how the perception would change. A little ass kissing goes a long way.

QUOTE You obviously like the guy, and he does do some amazing things from a players standpoint, but the least you could be is honest in your critique of him. He has incredible ability, but he has large amounts of flaws to go with them.

RESPONSE I like the truth. The Moss thing is a myth. Meyshwan and TO are what they claim Moss is but he isn't He is attacked as such but its not true. Just like DG was not what the media painted him as. I cannot stand lies myths fabrications lynching media manipulation doublestandards!

Wrong, there standards, not double standards. Green has been painted as a guy that likes control, is that not the case? Moss has been discribed as a guy that can be lazy, put his accomplishment above that of team mates, and not have the best judgement off the field, where exactly is this wrong?

QUOTE All that said, if the price was right, I'd like to see him in RED.

RESPONSE He would be the 1st WR chosen by any team if all players went into a common pool.

That's your opinion, not necessarily that of all the coaches and all the GM's in the league. Remember, they're the one's writing the checks and character does matter with most of them.

 

[SECTION 11]

Originally posted by vikesfan

He would be the 1st WR chosen by any team if all players went into a common pool.

Umm, no.

If he didn't have off-field issues and didn't dog it when his number isn't called, then maybe. Now? No.

 

[SECTION 11]

Originally posted by vikesfan
What is the difference between the Cards and Vikes last year? Not much Moss and Culpepper are about the only difference.

The Cards with Boldin beat the Vikings with Moss.

Our leading rusher was our QB, with 27 yards. Hilarious.

Most importantly.... Surely Moss could have overcome the haggard group of corners we threw out there.

It must have been the playcalling.
The same playcalling that got the Vikes 6.0 yards per play over an entire season.
The same playcalling that got them the best offense in the NFL.
The same playcalling that got them the division lead for the first 959 minutes and 53 seconds of the season.

 

[Pariah]

Originally posted by vikesfan
Yes but you won 3 games with him plus the freebie from Minne.

Why is that a freebie? It might have been the hardest game on their schedule considering it was essentially a playoff game for Minn. Plus, you had an incredibly explosive offense in the Vikings going up against an incredibly pourous defense in the Cardinals. On paper, the Cardinals shouldn't have been able to keep up.

Please explain, VF.

 

[vikesfan]

Originally posted by Lars the Red QUOTE That's not answering the question, that's continuing to attack successful former players that use film footage to support their claims about Moss. You on the other hand, have done nothing but make unsubstanciated comments about them because you like Moss. Chalk one up for the 'Moss dogs it' fans.

RESPONSE No its pointing out that THE PEOPLE WHO ATTACKED MOSS WERE FOOTBALL IGNORANT LOSERS UNLIKE SAY MADDEN WHO KNOWS MORE ABOUT FOOTBALL THEN ALL 3 MORONS YOU CITE and DONT FORGET THE GENIUS KNOWN as HOGE!



QUOTE Actually, I remember vividly several media members showing clips of former stud receivers and getting supporting statements from their team mates that they never took plays off. The one I remember most, because I never liked the guy, was M. Irvin. Aikman, Smith and J. Johnson all said the guy was a workaholic, and after seeing some of the Moss clips, just said, 'no, that's not how Michael played'. Chalk up two for the 'Moss dogs it' fans.

RESPONSE Are you LEARNING DEFICIENT? THEY INTERVIEWED WRS PLAYING IN THE NFL AND THEY SAID EVERYONE DOES IT.

YOU DONT EVEN KNOW WHAT YOU ARE SAYING ANYMORE YOU YOURSELF SAID WHEN THE RUN IS THE OTEHR WAY YOU CAN GET GET REST

DONT YOU REMEMBER SAYING THAT
THAT IS WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT

DUH!

QUOTE I played basketball, the NBA isn't basketball, the college game can be non-stop action for several minutes at a time with only seconds to get back into position and catch your wind. Football is short uses of energy, followed by periods of rest. The condition of football players is no where near that of basketball, soccer, rugby, etc. Chalk up three for the 'Moss dogs it' fans.

RESPONSE: I don't give a @#%! what you did at that "school" you attended I THINK MADDEN KNOWS MORE ABOUT FOOTBALL THEN YOU - I WILL GO WITH MADDEN ON THIS ONE AND ACTUAL WRS who WERE PLAYING FOOTBALL AND NOT OUT OF FOOTBALL

QUOTE Not really interested in answering the questions are you, Vikes? The stats for the last 6 years clearly show Moss have substancially fewer catches (and that was the stat I was pointing out). And just for grins, name the receivers the Colts have had over the same period. And just for sake of argument, don't you think defenses recognize which guy on the field caught 469 passes over 4 seasons? He's 6' 175 lbs. faces doubles all day and still seems to get open. I don't see the Harrison fans making excuses about his lack of size, or speed, or quality #2 & #3 receivers. Chalk up four for the 'Moss dogs it' fan.

RESPONSE YES MOSS HAS LESS PASSES CAUGHT CAUSE HE PLAYED TWO LESS YEARS GENIUS COME BACK IN TWO YEARS AND LETS COMPARE THEIR STATS AT 8 YEARS FOR BOTH PLAYERS
BTW DESPITE HAVING PLAYED 2 LESS YEARS - TAKE A LOOK AT the rest of the stats +20, +40, TDs, and YPC
NO COMPARISON despite 2 year HARRIOSN LEAD

THAT IS BECAUSE HARRISON IS NOT THE VICTIM OF IDIOTIC STAT TAILORING

Oh my God! I thought you were just a fan of Moss, now I get it, your possessed. Saying Moss always gets down field to make his blocks is like Deon Sanders fans saying he was a great tackler. Chalk up five for the 'Moss dogs it' fans.

RESPONSE: I HAVE SEEN EVERY GAME HE HAS EVER PLAYED MORE THEN ONCE SOMETIMES TWO THREE TIMES I SEE HIM BLOCKING
and NO WR MAKES ALL HIS BLOCKS

QUOTE The league is built on stats. Individual play. Single Quarter. First half. Second half. Game. Two game. Season. Playoff. Two year. Three year. So on and so forth. You can't ignore the accomplishments of individuals for individual seasons or the last 4 or 5 seasons. Who would argue that T. Davis wasn't one of the most dominant players in the league for a only a few seasons? Couldn't we say the same about Bo Jackson? Your choosing to view stats that make your guy look better overall than he has his last few years.

RESPONSE NO THE GUY WHO POSTED PICKED STATS TO MAKE MOSS LOOKE WORSE HE SPUN THE STATS I DIDNT YOU REALLY DONT GET IT YOU LOOK AT A GUYS CAREER

QUOTE Personally I find the 'decoy' argument questionable at best. If he was open, he'd get the ball. If he'd truely been a decoy, his team mates should have had much better stats.

RESPONSE DUDE I WATCH EVERY GAME I READ EVERY PAPER THEY USED THE DECOY OFFENSE I DIDNT COME UP WITH THAT! THESE ARE THE SAME IDIOTS WHO INVENTED THE EQUALLY IDIOTIC OFFENSE CALLED THE RANDY RATIO. IDIOTS ARE RUNNING MY TEAM.
DUDE DO RESEARCH THEY STOPPED THROWING TO HIM WATCH THE GAMES.

QUOTE Uh, right. The pot smoking (HE SMOKED POT IN COLLEGE), the bumping the meter maid(HE WAS FOUND INNOCENT SHE JUMPED ON HIS CAR), the tirade at team mates (WHAT TIRADE THERE WAS NEVER A TIRADE), the 'I play when I want' comments (HE WAS SAYING HE DOESN'T NEED CC TO MAKE HIM PLAY HARD), the racism comments (WHAT RACISM COMMENTS?), the I need X number of touches comments (HE NEVER SAID THIS EVER), squirting water at refs (A KID LIKE THING - COMPARE TO URLACHER ATTACKING A REF but no one says s@#% about him - didn't even get fined WHY I WONDER mmmm lets see LOL), berating refs (PEOPLE DO THIS ALL THE TIME), do I need to go on? You reap what you sow and Moss has rubbed lots of people the wrong way. If he would play the 'game' a little better, you might be surprised how the perception would change. A little ass kissing goes a long way.

RESPONSE: NOT EVERYONE SELLS OUT TO THE MAN sorry not every will bend over and let the man screw him. He will not be an Uncle Tom. Neither was DG! That is why they went after him too. It really infuriates people when black people won't go all Uncle Tom. LOL.

QUOTE Wrong, there standards, not double standards. Green has been painted as a guy that likes control, is that not the case? Moss has been discribed as a guy that can be lazy, put his accomplishment above that of team mates, and not have the best judgement off the field, where exactly is this wrong?

RESPONSE I have watched EVERY SINGLE GAME Moss has played in the NFL (except exhibition games) twice and sometimes more times AND I GUARANTEE not in 1 game has Moss done anything lazy.
DG cuts trouble makers. DG cuts lazy players. Why would DG put up with Moss. Not only are libeling Moss you are libeling DG with these claims - you are saying DG allowed Moss to be lazy that means DG is a bad coach.


QUOTE That's your opinion, not necessarily that of all the coaches and all the GM's in the league. Remember, they're the one's writing the checks and character does matter with most of them.

RESPONSE And Moss has no character issues. Each and every "character" issue has been debunked with facts.

Yes believe me Moss would be the #1 WR picked up by any team and he would go ahead of many QBs and RBs etc too. He would be one of the top players taken in a free for all draft.


WHY ARE YOU EVEN ARGUING WITH ME YOU SAID MOSS WAS ALLOWED ACCORDING TO YOU CATCH HIS BREATH WHEN THEY RAN THE BALL TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FIELD

THAT WAS WHAT THOSE FILMS OF MOSS WERE OF


AND PEOPLE WERE DISAGREEING WITH YOU ME AND MADDEN AND SAYING MOSS WAS NOT ALLOWED TO DO THAT

EVEN YOU IN A LUCID MOMENT SAID IT WAS OK

SO WHAT ARE YOU ARGUING ABOUT?


Two of the best moments of this year when announcers said Moss was dogging it in games vs Det when the dude was playing with a serious flu ("no player leaves the field ahead of his team at halftime what is moss doing" UH HE WAS SICK AND TICE DEMANDED AN APOLOGY)... then the classic SD game when they accused Moss of dogging it HE WAS PLAYING WITH A CONCUSSION AND WAS BARELY CONSCIOUS.


I am arguing with people who have seen what 1 Vikings game in 4 or 5 years. I took your word on your players more or less but you know more then someone who has seen every game (except exhibition) that Moss has played in the NFL and since I tape games more then once often 2 or 3 times.

And if what you say about Moss is true then DG is a bad coach and should not have been hired -cause he allowed Moss to dog it and didn't stop him from doing it. If Moss is Lazy then DG is a bad coaching hire.

 

[Shane]

Originally posted by vikesfan
Randy Moss is the best player in the NFL.

Thats very subjective! Sounds like a Vikes fan talking. Oh wait it is!

 

[vikesfan]

Originally posted by Shane H
Thats very subjective! Sounds like a Vikes fan talking. Oh wait it is!

No lots of Vikes fans wnat Moss gone cause they believe the Media BS about him. Even more want our PRO-BOWL QB gone (I am sure you can figure out why) and 99% of Vikes fans are happy DG is gone and think he sucked. So I have really very little in common with such people. My analysis is unbiased. If a Vikes player is jackass CC for example I will say so. If a Vikes coach like Tice sucks I will say so. If a Vikes GM sucks like... ooops we still don't have a GM - its only been 3 years.


By freebie win what I meant was that game was a gift to the Cards from the idiot Tice. He stopped using Moss. He went for the TD on 4th down (a move he made STL that cost us that game too).

The 4 worst teams in the NFL beat us.

The Vikes coaching staff gave that game away. 8 sacks and 8 fumbles iirc you had and you won that game LOL

How about the ST coaching on that onside kick.

You won a game against the worst coached team in the NFL who had lost to the other 3 worst teams in the NFL.

 

[Lars the Red]

Vikesfan, your credibility is zero. Screaming and stamping your feet doesn't mean we're buying what your selling. Get your judgement unclouded and listen to what normal people say. Moss' own team mates have questioned his commitment, yet just because you say it's not true, then their all liars.

Get a grip kid, too many knowledgable people say the exact opposite of what you do. I'll take what they say as accurate much quicker than the comments of one, slightly obsessed fan.

 

[vikesfan]

Originally posted by Lars the Red
Vikesfan, your credibility is zero. Screaming and stamping your feet doesn't mean we're buying what your selling. Get your judgement unclouded and listen to what normal people say. Moss' own team mates have questioned his commitment, yet just because you say it's not true, then their all liars.

Get a grip kid, too many knowledgable people say the exact opposite of what you do. I'll take what they say as accurate much quicker than the comments of one, slightly obsessed fan.

And the President said there were WMDs still in Iraq.

You can believe whatever you want if it's in the media or someone in the media says it well then it must be true. LOL.

This is why advertisers spend billions of dollars every year.

BTW I think John Madden knows more about football then the people you cited. Collinsworth this year: The Vikes are the best team in the NFC and going to the SB. Riiiight.

Veteran Players from OTHER teams who PLAY THE SAME POSITION as Moss said every player does what he does.

I am waiting for you to say DG was a bad coach beause he allowed a shirker like Moss to play for his team (I guess all the stuff he said here in Zona were all lies huh?)

And by the way if you want media links saying DG is a bad coach I can give you 100s of articles. Does that mean he is a bad coach?
There are way more articles libeling and demeaning DG then Randy Moss. There's just a few Spin Doctor specials on Moss. Writers made a living in Minnesota off of Spin Doctoring DG.

 

[vince56]

Originally posted by vikesfan
And the President said there were WMDs still in Iraq.

No more MOSS = WMDs!!!!

No more!! Niet!!! Nien!!! No maas!!

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

Originally posted by vikesfan
And the President said there were WMDs still in Iraq.

You can believe whatever you want if it's in the media or someone in the media says it well then it must be true. LOL.

This is why advertisers spend billions of dollars every year.

BTW I think John Madden knows more about football then the people you cited. Collinsworth this year: The Vikes are the best team in the NFC and going to the SB. Riiiight.

Veteran Players from OTHER teams who PLAY THE SAME POSITION as Moss said every player does what he does.

I am waiting for you to say DG was a bad coach beause he allowed a shirker like Moss to play for his team (I guess all the stuff he said here in Zona were all lies huh?)

And by the way if you want media links saying DG is a bad coach I can give you 100s of articles. Does that mean he is a bad coach?
There are way more articles libeling and demeaning DG then Randy Moss. There's just a few Spin Doctor specials on Moss. Writers made a living in Minnesota off of Spin Doctoring DG.

Oh for Christs' sake give it a rest already. Enough of your B.S.

Why are you even on this board, try contributing something inr eagrds to the Cardinals and not just DG or Randy Moss.

We got your point already:

1. Moss was hated on and he never committed any wrongs. He is the victim of racism and classic un-american spin doctoring.
2. DG left b/c Red is cheap
3. You fail to produce one single shred of evidence of any of your conspiracy theories. (Where's the link?)

None of these guys have ever done anything wrong including utter one single profanity or so much as jay walked or spit on the street.

WE GET IT ALREADY!

 

[Northern Card]

Originally posted by vikesfan
And the President said there were WMDs still in Iraq.

You can believe whatever you want if it's in the media or someone in the media says it well then it must be true. LOL.

This is why advertisers spend billions of dollars every year.

BTW I think John Madden knows more about football then the people you cited. Collinsworth this year: The Vikes are the best team in the NFC and going to the SB. Riiiight.

Veteran Players from OTHER teams who PLAY THE SAME POSITION as Moss said every player does what he does.

I am waiting for you to say DG was a bad coach beause he allowed a shirker like Moss to play for his team (I guess all the stuff he said here in Zona were all lies huh?)

And by the way if you want media links saying DG is a bad coach I can give you 100s of articles. Does that mean he is a bad coach?
There are way more articles libeling and demeaning DG then Randy Moss. There's just a few Spin Doctor specials on Moss. Writers made a living in Minnesota off of Spin Doctoring DG.

If the information on which you base your views is not acquired through the media (Print, Radio, TV) then pray tell: Where do you get it?

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

Originally posted by vikesfan
You put him on any team and that team will get more wins. He will go down as the best WR in history. He is the Michael Jordan of the NFL.

Nope, that would be Michael Vick!

Next please

 

[Ryanwb]

Originally posted by Northern Card
If the information on which you base your views is not acquired through the media (Print, Radio, TV) then pray tell: Where do you get it?

He hides in the locker room and sniffs Moss' jock before it goes to the laundry