Would Moss be worth a trade?

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Originally posted by vikesfan
And the President said there were WMDs still in Iraq.

You can believe whatever you want if it's in the media or someone in the media says it well then it must be true. LOL.

This is why advertisers spend billions of dollars every year.

BTW I think John Madden knows more about football then the people you cited. Collinsworth this year: The Vikes are the best team in the NFC and going to the SB. Riiiight.

Veteran Players from OTHER teams who PLAY THE SAME POSITION as Moss said every player does what he does.

I am waiting for you to say DG was a bad coach beause he allowed a shirker like Moss to play for his team (I guess all the stuff he said here in Zona were all lies huh?)

And by the way if you want media links saying DG is a bad coach I can give you 100s of articles. Does that mean he is a bad coach?
There are way more articles libeling and demeaning DG then Randy Moss. There's just a few Spin Doctor specials on Moss. Writers made a living in Minnesota off of Spin Doctoring DG.

Christ dude, enough already!

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

Originally posted by vikesfan


BTW I think John Madden knows more about football then the people you cited. Collinsworth this year: The Vikes are the best team in the NFC and going to the SB. Riiiight.

Umm... you cant use John Madden for your source of information remember? He is part of the media. If there is spin doctoring going on in the media, why did they leave Madden out?

Love the way you condemn the media until they say something you agree with......

 

[seesred]

I think Quan is a player that doesn't take plays off. After reading all your posts I'm absoulutly convinced that we will be a better team with Fitz than with Moss. First off he will be playing hard to keep his spot with the likes of quan. Second he will not be a problem in the clubhouse and thirdly we don't havr to morgage the team to get him.

GBR

 

[azdad1978]

Originally posted by Ryanwb
He hides in the locker room and sniffs Moss' jock before it goes to the laundry

 

[vikesfan]

Originally posted by LVCARDFREAK
Oh for Christs' sake give it a rest already. Enough of your B.S.

QUOTE: Why are you even on this board, try contributing something inr eagrds to the Cardinals and not just DG or Randy Moss. We got your point already:

RESPONSE: Newsflash DG is the new Cards coach. I am here cause the Cards are my 2nd favourite team. I have contributed lots of non-DG non-Moss posts.

QUOTE: 1. Moss was hated on and he never committed any wrongs. He is the victim of racism and classic un-american spin doctoring.

RESPONSE: Yes some of it is hate, or jealousy or sensationalism or lazy journalism or Moss proving them wrong etc. It's not just 1 thing. Sure he did wrong things. For example the almost laughable water spritz for example that is far removed from how he has been painted by the media.

QUOTE: 2. DG left b/c Red is cheap

RESPONSE: Yup.

QUOTE: 3. You fail to produce one single shred of evidence of any of your conspiracy theories. (Where's the link?)

RESPONSE: I never said this you are putting words in my mouth! Again I said I don't believe in conspiracy theories. It is lazy journalism, sensationalism and things like that.

QUOTE: None of these guys have ever done anything wrong including utter one single profanity or so much as jay walked or spit on the street.

RESPONSE: I never said this you are putting words in my mouth. Both DG and Moss have done wrong things. But neither man is what the media has painted him as. I can list all the mistakes Moss and DG have made but the things they have been accused of and how they have been labeled are wrong.


You just say things I never said and argue against them, don't put words in my mouth. If you disagree with what I said debate it but don't debate things I haven't even said.

 

[KingofCards]

Originally posted by Ryanwb
He hides in the locker room and sniffs Moss' jock before it goes to the laundry

While wearing Dennis Green's boxers on his head, licked clean, and equiped with self-bitten eye holes.

 

[vikesfan]

Originally posted by Northern Card
If the information on which you base your views is not acquired through the media (Print, Radio, TV) then pray tell: Where do you get it?

It is called critical analysis of what the media feed you.
For example on Iraq you could read Yahoo a pretty mainstream media source and see the war was a con. The evidence Powell presents at the UN was called fake at the time. Bush threatens the UN to come to the right decison - that means he plans to attack no matter what. The so called intelligence documents used to justify the attack are plagerized from a British MA student right down to the spelling mistakes and he says they are not intelligence reports it is my school report and it doesn't justify the attack. The inspectors says don't attack he doesn't have the weapons. Tons of evidence from mainstream media. It comes down to understanding the facts and looking past the spin. They claim a connection between Bin Laden and Hussein. People in the media produce documentation that they were enemies.

You can ferret out the truth in the mainstream media but its even easier if you go alternative media. There are lots of books on how Bush used the media and how this con was pulled off - check "Weapons of Mass Deception" for eg.


Look at all the Moss stuff. Same thing the facts are still buried in there you just have to ferret them out. I don't blame you guys if I didn't follow Moss and the Vikes and just read the media stuff I would be swayed too. Heck people in Minnesota believe this stuff. But once you look at the facts you see the true story. The facts are spun by the media but usually they can be found. Look for things like direct quotes alternate sources eyewitnesses etc. Its not easy but it can be done. I thought Moss said he took plays off too - then I read the complete transcript and it didn't say that at all. Stuff like that. Each point against him can be refuted in different ways.

 

[vikesfan]

Originally posted by KingofCards
While wearing Dennis Green's boxers on his head, licked clean, and equiped with self-bitten eye holes.

The more time I spend here the more
I agree with Edward Abbey. I had such high hopes that this place was different. At least it is still a minority here that is like this here.

 

[CardShark]

Well Vikesfan, I for one wouldn't mind putting Moss on the field with Boldin and Johnson. It would be a deadly combination. As for your statement that Moss is the greatest player in the game today, I don't agree at all. Sure he produces, but it's still a product of having a good offense. If the Vikes didn't have a threat in the likes of Culpepper or were without a running game, Moss' numbers might be very average. And I'd rather wait until the end of his career to evaluate his staus compared to his peers. Quan looks like he could very well surpass Moss' numbers as he is a player that looks to get the ball even when his number isn't called. I remember one game that Moss was in the endzone and pulled his hands back from a catchable ball because he didn't want to take the hit. I believe that was the play that got everyone talking about him taking plays off.
I wouldn't give up the world for him though. Ricky Williams showed no player is worth that.

 

[vikesfan]

QUOTE: Well Vikesfan, I for one wouldn't mind putting Moss on the field with Boldin and Johnson. It would be a deadly combination.

RESPONSE: Think Vikes at their peak with Moss and CC. I would be a dynamite combo.

QUOTE: As for your statement that Moss is the greatest player in the game today, I don't agree at all. Sure he produces, but it's still a product of having a good offense.

RESPONSE: Well of course its debatable. I think he is the greatest. But I can see the case for other players too. But to my mind based on what I have seen he is the best.

QUOTE: If the Vikes didn't have a threat in the likes of Culpepper or were without a running game, Moss' numbers might be very average.

RESPONSE: Culpepper got injured and journeyman Gus Freotte (who?) came in for a couple games and he ended up with a 117 rating because he was throwing to Moss. Bennnett was out most of the year and because Moss was tripled so much guys like Onterrio Smith and Moe Williams were putting up 100 and iirc 200 yards rushing. It's all Moss.

Our offensive co-ordinator is a joke. He has no redzone or two minute offense I kid you not. Almost everything the team gets is through the sheer athletic talents of Moss and Culpepper.


QUOTE And I'd rather wait until the end of his career to evaluate his staus compared to his peers. Quan looks like he could very well surpass Moss' numbers as he is a player that looks to get the ball even when his number isn't called.

RESPONSE: Of course people are evaluated at the end of their career but if after 6 years in the NFL Quan is ahead of Moss's all time best WR record... people are going to say Quan is ahead of Moss just like now they say Moss is ahead of Rice. Quan had an incredible year - he might be better then Rice or Moss.

QUOTE: I remember one game that Moss was in the endzone and pulled his hands back from a catchable ball because he didn't want to take the hit. I believe that was the play that got everyone talking about him taking plays off.

RESPONSE: I don't recall that. I have seen every game he has ever played more then once I don't recall that. There was a play this year where he had a concussion and dropped a ball in a game and another game where the ball was ripped out of his hands by fantastic defensive play but not what you describe. Also the taking plays off referred to running plays on the other side of the field afte he just ran 60 yards or so 2 or 3 times down the field. All WRs in the NFL do stuff like that. Moss does it more cause he runs more deep patterns.

QUOTE: I wouldn't give up the world for him though. Ricky Williams showed no player is worth that.

RESPONSE: If I was the GM of a team I would give up a lot for him but if I was the GM of a team he was on I would not take the world for him.

If the idiots who run the Vikes were to trade Moss I guarantee you no matter who the Vikes got back they would not win 9 games next year. And I guarantee you whatever team Moss went to would do better then they did last year.

I don't think there is another player that you can put on the Cards that would make Ship and McCown as good as they would be with Moss and who would get the team 4 more wins at least.

 

[CardShark]

Well I would be willing to put any high quality reciever across from Quan and, again, I think the Cards air attack would be deadly.
Owens (if he wasn't a head case)
Northcutt (great speed)
Mike Williams (together they would batter the secondaries)
Holt (great speed and hands)
Harrison (speed, hands and versatility)

 

[Northern Card]

Originally posted by vikesfan
It is called critical analysis of what the media feed you.

In your case it's called - "Delusions of adequacy!"