Would Moss be worth a trade?

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Lets see... HELL YES. But I would not give up the first pick for him. Second round pick, fourth round pick, and Adrian Wilson. OK, start throwing stuff at me but even if the Vikings really want to unload him, he is Randy Moss. Just think how dangerous Boldin and Johnson would be with Randy Moss in the mix. SCARY!!!
 

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Originally posted by Jetstream Green
Lets see... HELL YES. But I would not give up the first pick for him. Second round pick, fourth round pick, and Adrian Wilson. OK, start throwing stuff at me but even if the Vikings really want to unload him, he is Randy Moss. Just think how dangerous Boldin and Johnson would be with Randy Moss in the mix. SCARY!!!



put down the koolaid. :wave:
 

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Randy Moss is the best player in the NFL. The Vikes could not get fair value for him. He improves your team no matter what kind of team you have. The dude takes 2 and often 3 men to cover him. So that means you are playing 10 on 9 and 8 football. He cannot be stopped except by our own offensive co-ordinator who just stops throwing to him in games and the refs who cheat him repeatedly every Sunday.

The dude suffered a concussion and still kept playing he wouldn't come off the field. And the idiot Tice let him stay out there.

This is the guy I draft #1 out of every available player in the NFL.
He makes an offense 10 times more effective.

Three top ten picks might be far value. And I say might be not sure even that is.
 

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Originally posted by Jetstream Green
Lets see... HELL YES. But I would not give up the first pick for him. Second round pick, fourth round pick, and Adrian Wilson. OK, start throwing stuff at me but even if the Vikings really want to unload him, he is Randy Moss. Just think how dangerous Boldin and Johnson would be with Randy Moss in the mix. SCARY!!!


Hmmm maybe if we give all our pick of the draft except for the 1st pick would that work?
 

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Hmm...

Thinking realistically.

Cards send:

#3 pick and a 4th rounder to Minnesota

Vikings Send

#19 pick and Randy Moss.


Vikings move up to the 3rd pick and have their choice of potential top players.

The Cardinals get the sort of receiver that guarantees that Boldin won't be doubled.

With the 19th pick the Cardinals have a plethora of options including taking a CB or one of the RBs like Jackson.

I don't think the Cardinals would have to pay more than this if Moss wants out.
 

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Originally posted by vikesfan
Randy Moss is the best player in the NFL. The Vikes could not get fair value for him. He improves your team no matter what kind of team you have. The dude takes 2 and often 3 men to cover him. So that means you are playing 10 on 9 and 8 football. He cannot be stopped except by our own offensive co-ordinator who just stops throwing to him in games and the refs who cheat him repeatedly every Sunday.

The dude suffered a concussion and still kept playing he wouldn't come off the field. And the idiot Tice let him stay out there.

This is the guy I draft #1 out of every available player in the NFL.
He makes an offense 10 times more effective.

Three top ten picks might be far value. And I say might be not sure even that is.

I's give them our number one next year, number three this year and Bryant Johnson. No question. Then we could take Gallery and be set to make a run for the superbowl the next five years.
 

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Originally posted by red desert
I's give them our number one next year, number three this year and Bryant Johnson. No question. Then we could take Gallery and be set to make a run for the superbowl the next five years.


Done! :wave:
 

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VikesFan - I think maybe you're letting your purple blood cloud your judgement.

Moss is an underachiever. He takes off plays where he isn't the primary receiver.

Compare Moss's rookie numbers with Quan's. Moss had more TDs, the yards/catches were almost identical. Moss was in single coverage most of his rookie year--Anquan was double teamed.

If a trade like this goes down, it would affirm my fears that Buddy Ryan has been reincarnated. Cronyism sucks.
 

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Does anyone know when Moss becomes a free agent? That may part of the key to a deal now or a wait and see kind of deal. Let Moss make them crazy going into camp and then let the Vikes reach out if thats what the want to do. I would take Moss of of their hands only if we don't have to stary to far from the plan.

GBR
 

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Originally posted by Avondale_Larry
If a trade like this goes down, it would affirm my fears that Buddy Ryan has been reincarnated. Cronyism sucks.

Depends on the trade perameters. A reasonable deal could make this a cronyism I could live with. It also seems to me Moss' problems started after DG left. Far fetched at this point but if the trade were to happen it would be the biggest buzz in the valley since Barkley.
 

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There are no problems with Moss before or after DG.

He has a long term deal it has many years to go.


He doesn't take plays off. He is the best player in the NFL. If he was playing for freaking GB I would say the same thing.

He has been the victim of a media campaign just like DG was.

He is not an underachiver unless you consider Jerry Rice an underachiver he is ahead of Jerry Rice. He has not had a #2 WR since Carter left. He is the only good WR on the team most games he is triple teamed and he is still setting personal and all time records.


The point is real simple. Moss is the best player in the NFL. He is the BPA of the NFL as a whole.

You put him on any team and that team will get more wins. He will go down as the best WR in history. He is the Michael Jordan of the NFL.
He does things on the field that no one has ever done. Not Boldin not TO not Harrison. If he had some good coaching again and a few good players then he would be even more scary and he is already on pace to be the best ever. Underachieving. Last year they made the dude a possession WR and he caught the most balls he ever had. He is surrounded by idiots.

Cronyism? You should pray the Vikes have a brain cramp and trade him away.
 

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Harrison in the last five years:

563 catches, for 7594, and 62 TDs.

Moss in the last five years:

456 catches, for 7062, and 60 TDs.


Sorry but the comparison isn't even close.
 

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Originally posted by Chris_Sanders
Harrison in the last five years:

563 catches, for 7594, and 62 TDs.

Moss in the last five years:

456 catches, for 7062, and 60 TDs.


Sorry but the comparison isn't even close.

Let me just set the record straight.

MOSS 6 YEARS:
77 TDS. 46 times +40. 131 times +20.
525 Catches. 8375 yards.

HARRISON 8 YEARS:
83 TDS. 30 times +40. 131 times +20.
759 Catches. 10072 yards.
 

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Originally posted by Chris_Sanders
Harrison in the last five years:

563 catches, for 7594, and 62 TDs.

Moss in the last five years:

456 catches, for 7062, and 60 TDs.


Sorry but the comparison isn't even close.

60 TDs vs 62 TDS seems pretty close to me... :D
 

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Originally posted by Chris_Sanders
Harrison in the last five years:

563 catches, for 7594, and 62 TDs.

Moss in the last five years:

456 catches, for 7062, and 60 TDs.


Sorry but the comparison isn't even close.

Not a fair comparision, the colts play a more agressive offense which means manning throws the ball 100 times a game. The vikes run a more conserative offense when they olny throw the deep ball about once a game. Look at how close they are in yards and TD's and Moss is still almost 100 catches behind him. It is not like moss drops the ball a lot either he just isnt thrown to.
 

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Originally posted by Jetstream Green
Lets see... HELL YES. But I would not give up the first pick for him. Second round pick, fourth round pick, and Adrian Wilson. OK, start throwing stuff at me but even if the Vikings really want to unload him, he is Randy Moss. Just think how dangerous Boldin and Johnson would be with Randy Moss in the mix. SCARY!!!


Santana Moss? Yes...but I dont think the Jets want to get rid of him, he is just now coming into his prime. :D
 

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Randy Moss?

Pass.

I vividly remember an episode of NFL Matchup on ESPN last year, when Ron Jaworski and Merrill Hodge broke down NFL coaches tape of a Viking game. The issue was the effort Moss displayed on that tape when he wasn't the player getting the ball. It was pathetic.

Within two weeks, HBO's Inside the NFL did a similar piece on Moss' effort. That was the show when Chris Carter went off on Randy.

But it doesn't really matter. Moss and Minnesota are stuck with each other. The Vikings paid him so much money he's nearly un-tradeable. So much money, they can blame his contract when they remain non-competitive in future years, while they battle for a new venue in "the land of 100,000 taxes," that will never be built.

Red McCombs will not allow the team to be successful while he begs for a new venue, since the reason a new venue is needed, is "to be more competitive."

Minnesota will build a new venue, once the Vikings have moved to LA, and the only way to get the NFL BACK in Minnie, is to have a venue first.
 

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Originally posted by Lex
Red McCombs will not allow the team to be successful while he begs for a new venue, since the reason a new venue is needed, is "to be more competitive."

Minnesota will build a new venue, once the Vikings have moved to LA, and the only way to get the NFL BACK in Minnie, is to have a venue first.


Seems eerily familiar doesnt it???
 

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Not a fair comparision, the colts play a more agressive offense which means manning throws the ball 100 times a game. The vikes run a more conserative offense when they olny throw the deep ball about once a game. Look at how close they are in yards and TD's and Moss is still almost 100 catches behind him. It is not like moss drops the ball a lot either he just isnt thrown to.

The last 2 years the Colts have on average thrown ~ 3 more passes a game than the Vikings have. So to explain away the nearly 100 catches you have to assume that essentially most of those throws are going to Harrison.

I'm not sure what's wrong in saying Moss is the bigger deep threat, and Harrison the better "possession" guy, who also happens to be able to get deep a lot. Both are great.

But I don't think you'll find too many people calling the Vikings offense conservative, and if they never throw the ball deep, how come Moss has more plays over 40 yards than Harrison does?
 

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That 5 year comparison is bogus. The last 2 years Moss has been part of the worst offensive playcalling I have ever seen in the NFL. They have used Moss as a decoy in many games - throwing no balls his way ON PURPOSE. They have stopped throwing the ball to Moss often in second halves. Our OC is the worst I have ever seen in the NFL. Meanwhile in INDI they have one of the best OCs in the NFL whose system is devoted to getting Harrison the ball.

None-the-less compare Moss after 8 years to Harrison after 8 years I bet Moss will still be on top. After 10 years after 12 years etc. Picking a 5 year segment is bogus stat tailoring.
 

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Originally posted by vikesfan
Picking a 5 year segment is bogus stat tailoring.


He's only been in the league for six years.

You're starting to creep me out a little here...



Maybe if he played hard on every play they'd get him the ball more.
 

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QUOTE: I vividly remember an episode of NFL Matchup on ESPN last year, when Ron Jaworski and Merrill Hodge broke down NFL coaches tape of a Viking game. The issue was the effort Moss displayed on that tape when he wasn't the player getting the ball. It was pathetic.
Within two weeks, HBO's Inside the NFL did a similar piece on Moss' effort. That was the show when Chris Carter went off on Randy.

RESPONSE: Cris Carter is an idiot. Hoge is a Moss hater. This was a classic piece of Media Moss Hate.
People believed this BS. After this came out reporters went to veteran WRs in the NFL. Guess what they said every all WRs take plays off occasionally when they are run to the other side. And that if they broke any WR down like that did Moss they would see a similar things.

After this controversy Madden did a Minnesota game. Madden noted that the reason MOSS TAKES PLAYS OFF IS BECAUSE HE RUNS MORE DEEP PATTERNS THEN ANY NORMAL NFL WR DOES. So he needs to get breathers cause he is going deep down field over 20 more times then normal WRs do - he would do it all the time.

QUOTE: But it doesn't really matter. Moss and Minnesota are stuck with each other. The Vikings paid him so much money he's nearly un-tradeable. So much money, they can blame his contract when they remain non-competitive in future years, while they battle for a new venue in "the land of 100,000 taxes," that will never be built.

RESPONSE: No they can't blame Moss' contract. The last 3 years the Vikings have been 2nd in cap money two times and are number 1 in cap money this year.


QUOTE: Red McCombs will not allow the team to be successful while he begs for a new venue, since the reason a new venue is needed, is "to be more competitive." Minnesota will build a new venue, once the Vikings have moved to LA, and the only way to get the NFL BACK in Minnie, is to have a venue first.

RESPONSE: Minnesota has a lot of financial problems that cannot afford 1 new stadium let along 3 (The Golden Gopher and Twins both require new ones). The team would already be in LA he had an offer from the S Young group but he could not sell because the team has an unbreakable lease until 2011. Nothing can happen until 2011.

Red buys teams in order to sell them. The ONLY reason he wants a stadium is to get an extra 200 million when he sells the team.
The reason the team is non-competitive is because he doesn't want to spend his own money. So when he does sell the team he gets maximum profit. A GM, a top notch coach and coaching staff, a quality front office, quality FAs bonuses are not covered by the cap that money comes out of pocket and would reduce his profits. All that money he spends comes out eventually of the profits he sells the team for.
 
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Originally posted by SECTION 11
He's only been in the league for six years.

You're starting to creep me out a little here...



Maybe if he played hard on every play they'd get him the ball more.

I posted the 2 players complete stats.

What creeps me out is a guy taking a segment to pump up his view.

Look at what Moss has done in 6 years vs Harrison in 8 years.

Look at the numbers I am sure who is the better WR will be very clear to you.

Lets compare Harrison and Moss after 8 years.

Harrison is a great WR. Moss is on pace to be the greatest of all time.

And he has been used as a decoy for the last 2 years and probably this year too. That is ruining his numbers.

He wins on numbers. But if you ignore numbers and just look at ability Moss wins hands down no other WR has ever had the athletic arobatic abilities of Moss. He does things as a WR no other WR can do or has done. Maybe in the future another guy will appear but Moss is Michael Jordan, Tiger Woods of WRs. The dude can levitate.
 

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There seems to be a lot of conspiracy in Vikesfan's world.

Chris Carter is highly respected in NFL circles, his spot on Inside the NFL only adds to this perception. He also has overcome immaturity in his life, and tried to help Randy to not make the same mistakes he (Carter) did, early in his career.

Claiming a wide receiver needs to take plays off, because he has to run so far, is ridiculous. The only people on a football field allowed to be "tired" during a game, are the linemen. Linemen do hand-to-hand combat on every play from scrimmage. Randy weighs half what a lineman does, and runs against no resistance.

If Randy gets winded running 40 yd dashes, he should cut down on the pot smoking, and open up some more lung capacity.

Oh by the way... that unbreakable lease till 2011, doesn't need to be broken, they just make the payments, (chicken feed) and move on.
 
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