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Again, the writers are asking for a share of profits that don't exist. Nobody knows how much money the internet will make for the studios--it damn sure isn't making any right now. Right now, the internet is a marketing tool, just like newspapers and magazines. Does a writer get a payment when an ad for his tv show/movie shows up in Maxim?

Uhm, really? I may not be in the TV and Film industry, but I sure am in the Internet business and things like this are very different than what you say above:

Wednesday, May 9, 2007
Disney sells 23.7M TV shows, 2M movies via iTunes

By AppleInsider Staff

Published: 10:00 AM EST
Walt Disney, which on Tuesday said second quarter profits rose 27 percent, also offered analysts and members of the media an update on its iTunes sales totals during a conference call.


For the quarter ended March 31, the entertainment conglomerate earned $931 million, or 44 cents a share, up from the $733 million, or 37 cents a share, a year earlier.

During a conference call, chief executive Robert Iger refused to break out a measure of the company's digital revenue, garnered from its Web sites and sales of movies from Apple's iTunes.

Iger, however, did offer an update on the number of digital media titles Disney sold through the iTunes store. Thus far, he said, iTunes and Disney have combined to sell around 23.7 million TV episodes and 2 million movies.

Iger added that Disney viewers have also watched nearly 92 million ad-supported TV episodes via the ABC.com Web site and 91 million shows on the Disney Channel Web site.

And don't say it is a marketing thing. My daughter has watched several episodes of Hannah Montana on her PC. I have watched Ugly Betty that I missed DVRing and a couple of other shows. (I actually like the ABC presentation)
 
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this is the type of thing I was talking about in regard to who's really gonna take it on the chin. It ain't the writer's, it ain't the producers, the actors, the grips, the electricians... it'll be the REAL little guy - the asst.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3i26138003c343f1a1dd9369d879951e5a

Innovative axes assistants


Innovative Artists confirmed Monday that the talent and literary agency has laid off about 10 assistants.

It attributed the move to the impact of the writers strike, becoming one of the first examples of how the strike is significantly affecting the agency business beyond the expense cutting that already is taking place at a number of companies.

"If in my judgment I need to make changes ... (or) cut expense accounts, I'm going to do what every one of my competitors is doing," Innovative owner Scott Harris said. "I need to take measures to survive what could be a very lengthy strike. My priority is to keep this business running."

Harris said that he has no plans at this time to lay off any executives but that more assistants will probably be let go.
 
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And I didn't want to say anything about this until I actually found the article I read it in, but during those last second negotations, the issues which Chap said are impossible for the writer's to get where ACTUALLY discussed (at the same kind of rates that screwed them when they made their home video deals). Here's the snippet in ANOTHER LA Times article about the last-second negotiations that took place right before the strike happened:

http://www.latimes.com/entertainmen...v06,1,1162839.story?page=1&ctrack=2&cset=true

"At about 2 p.m. Sunday, three hours into the meeting, they (the writer's) took their DVD demand off the table. They did so when it appeared negotiators had made modest headway on a few issues.

For example, they discussed a STUDIO proposal to pay writers 1.2% of license fees on shows that are streamed online. Currently writers aren't paid anything for free streaming of shows, a major sticking point.

By late afternoon, however, negotiators for the writers were growing increasingly frustrated that studios had not responded in kind to their DVD concession, and hadn't proposed a new pay package.

While the studios were receptive to the concept of extending the union's jurisdiction to writing for some areas of the Web and other new media platforms, they refused to outline specific pay terms and conditions, Young said.

Guild negotiators took particular exception to a proposal that would allow studios to rerun full-length movies and TV shows on the Internet and other platforms for promotional purposes without paying residuals.

STUDIOS also proposed paying writers the same unpopular DVD rate for Internet downloads, arguing that the business was too new to determine if higher payments were justified."

click on the link above for the rest of the mess (on BOTH sides - the two point men for negotiations are completely ridiculous) that happened that day.

Chap, do you doubt this as you do Patrick Goldstein?
 
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Chap - do you really think the windfall profits trickle down to the little people? You've worked in this business a long time and we BOTH know PRODUCERS are CHEAP and will try to cut corners anywhere they can to save themselves (and thus make themselves) money.
No, there IS NO PROFITS period. There will be in a few years, but right now there is not. Our On-Air people are scared to death of us because of the growth potential with online. That doesn't translate to money, unfortunately, at this point.

And what is your involvement? I believe you're an editor, right? Do you deal with studio's/producer's deal on advertising on said website? Do you have access to their books? Are you in anyway involved with financial decisions besides budgetary issues dealing with the editing staff Chap? I hope this doesn't seem like an inquisition/attack because it's not meant to, but I'm asking these questions to get the heart of the matter as you try to insinuate below that you should be more of an authority figure on this issue than me (and to be honest, I don't know the answer to that and answers to these questions would let me know a lot where you're coming from with what I (and several others) believe to be, well, to use a word you've used about the writer's demands multiple times, ridiculous. So are you privy to the deals between producers and those that wish to advertise on their sites? Or how much money they make on downloaded material?
I guess you could say I'm the video engineer for the site. That includes full episodes, short form, as well as our marketing programs (which include preroll ads and other special advertiser-paid stuff). It also includes some editing as well. We actually have a lot of advertiser-paid stuff on the site, but the amount of money we get from that goes towards trying to get us to break even, and we're not even close to that.

since the above and the next sentence below seem to be an insinuation that my opinion shouldn't hold much weight (and if I'm reading that wrong, I apologize in advance), I guess I'll break down my actual job. I'm the executive producer's assistant on a Sony show on the Lifetime Network. I've sat and talked with producers/executives at the highest level of both studio and network for the last 6 months, both in my capacity as an assistant and as a friend, not to mention sitting in strike meetings for the WGA. Now my title ain't all that (although if we get picked up, I'll be staffed on a writer - hurray!), but the access and insight I've gotten from that position is. Does that make me an "authority"? No. But it's given me a hell of a lot of information that you're average "writer's asst." wouldn't have. I know both worlds, and not just from working the last six months, but having worked with and made friends with producers/studio peeps every year in pilot season, not to mention having gotten my start an Anonymous Content working for CEO/Producer Steve Golin who basically was one of the pioneers for using the Internet with the BMW Films back in 2001.

Not at all. I was simply point out differing point-of-views: you on one side, me on the other. Although while I sympathize with the writers, you seem to buy into the "studio is the devil" mentality that is so prevalent amongst people, especially those outside of Hollywood. If that isn't you, then I apologize, as your earlier posts seem to be in that vein, even if the above paragraph is not.

I'm going to ask a question that may seem REALLY stupid, but I've got to ask it because I'm looking at your last question with a heavy amount of incredulity. Now maybe I'm reading the above wrong and let me know if I am because I don't want to put words into your mouth, but are you saying that an entire written episode being aired on the internet is basically the same thing as an ad running in a magazine as far as what a writer is due for the use of their work?

Absolutely not. What a writer is due was not the point I was making. I was basically saying that the internet is no more a money-maker right now than placing an ad in a magazine. Whether I believe that is right or not is irrelevant. If online made money, I'd be all for giving residuals to the writers. But it doesn't make any money. That's not the writers fault, and it's not the studio's fault. It is what it is. Simply a marketing tool that like most marketing, is a financial dead weight. Our entire goal is to support the network, to get people to actually watch the tv station, not make money for new media. The genesis of our network is unique as well, which helps us--our audience online are repeat viewers, not like CBS or ABC, where it is pretty much people who didn't watch the shows on the station when they aired. Most of our audience have seen the show already on-air or through iTunes, what we do is give them a little extra for them to check out.

That's not to say we don't WANT to make money. All of us want to make money. But there just isn't any money to be had in the online space. And doesn't it really boil down to money in the long run?
 

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And I didn't want to say anything about this until I actually found the article I read it in, but during those last second negotations, the issues which Chap said are impossible for the writer's to get where ACTUALLY discussed (at the same kind of rates that screwed them when they made their home video deals). Here's the snippet in ANOTHER LA Times article about the last-second negotiations that took place right before the strike happened:

http://www.latimes.com/entertainmen...v06,1,1162839.story?page=1&ctrack=2&cset=true

"At about 2 p.m. Sunday, three hours into the meeting, they (the writer's) took their DVD demand off the table. They did so when it appeared negotiators had made modest headway on a few issues.

For example, they discussed a STUDIO proposal to pay writers 1.2% of license fees on shows that are streamed online. Currently writers aren't paid anything for free streaming of shows, a major sticking point.

Licensing fees are different--they aren't directly related to how many times an episode is streamed. Let's say NBC wants to stream Chuck (a Warner Bros. show) on their site. They would have to pay Warner a license fee in order to do that. It's probably a set payment, and it wouldn't matter if the show got 3 viewers or 3 million viewers a day, that fee doesn't change unless the studio decides to charge more to make up for that 1.2% that the writers want (and of course, what the other unions will most certainly strike for).

By late afternoon, however, negotiators for the writers were growing increasingly frustrated that studios had not responded in kind to their DVD concession, and hadn't proposed a new pay package.

While the studios were receptive to the concept of extending the union's jurisdiction to writing for some areas of the Web and other new media platforms, they refused to outline specific pay terms and conditions, Young said.

Guild negotiators took particular exception to a proposal that would allow studios to rerun full-length movies and TV shows on the Internet and other platforms for promotional purposes without paying residuals.

STUDIOS also proposed paying writers the same unpopular DVD rate for Internet downloads, arguing that the business was too new to determine if higher payments were justified."

click on the link above for the rest of the mess (on BOTH sides - the two point men for negotiations are completely ridiculous) that happened that day.

Chap, do you doubt this as you do Patrick Goldstein?

Internet downloads is another area that is a little different. For example, on my site we don't offer downloading at all. That's an iTunes thing and uses a different pay structure--mostly through Apple. I'm not as familiar with that. All I know is demanding to be paid on how much episodes are streaming is unrealistic for a multitude of reasons, no money being the biggest.

I am still surprised that the DVD issue seemed to have been dropped by the union--as I think the studios eventually would have caved on that, especially if a clearer picture of who will win the HD war would emerge.
 
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Licensing fees are different--they aren't directly related to how many times an episode is streamed. Let's say NBC wants to stream Chuck (a Warner Bros. show) on their site. They would have to pay Warner a license fee in order to do that. It's probably a set payment, and it wouldn't matter if the show got 3 viewers or 3 million viewers a day, that fee doesn't change unless the studio decides to charge more to make up for that 1.2% that the writers want (and of course, what the other unions will most certainly strike for).



Internet downloads is another area that is a little different. For example, on my site we don't offer downloading at all. That's an iTunes thing and uses a different pay structure--mostly through Apple. I'm not as familiar with that. All I know is demanding to be paid on how much episodes are streaming is unrealistic for a multitude of reasons, no money being the biggest.

I am still surprised that the DVD issue seemed to have been dropped by the union--as I think the studios eventually would have caved on that, especially if a clearer picture of who will win the HD war would emerge.

you keep saying "different"... different that what exactly? are the above proposals, some of them coming from the studios themselves not dealing directly with revenue gotten from the "online market"? what am I missing here?
 

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Good summation of the issues in this newsweek article, IMO.

Newsweek said:
Why We’re On Strike
A screenwriter on Hollywood's labor pains.

Newsweek Web Exclusive
Updated: 5:50 PM ET Nov 13, 2007
When the Writers Guild went on strike last week, I promptly received an e-mail from my cousin John, who wondered how the writers would be able to hold their picket signs with a decaf skim latte in one hand and a BlackBerry in the other. John, who works for some outfit on Wall Street, sent this message, irony-free, from his BlackBerry.


There is some idea going around, obviously started by someone who doesn't know an average writer, that the average writer is rich. I guess people think that because we work in the entertainment industry, where George Clooney also works, we must be rich too.


Certainly some writers do well for themselves. But it is not the norm: at any given point in a year, a little more than half of all film and TV writers are unemployed. Some of these writers are unemployed because they're not very good. But even for good writers, with track records and connections and the appropriately hip eyewear, there are many obstacles to financial comfort. There are long gaps between jobs; no one buys the movie you spent six months writing; you're a sitcom writer and the public's taste favors police procedurals—or vice versa; or you finally get a show on and you're scheduled opposite "American Idol." This is all part of the game, and no one expects it to be any different. The thing that gets you through these fallow periods is the residual.


A residual is like an author's royalty. We are paid them whenever our work is shown on TV. They are a key part of how a writer survives between jobs, and it is an eminently fair idea: when the network (or studio) makes money off our work, so do we. If nobody airs your show or reruns your movie, there is no residual. If the network isn't making money off it, neither are we.


The residual has been established practice since 1960, when the Writers Guild first went on strike for it. Before that no one was given residuals. The writers of the imperishably entertaining "I Love Lucy," a show that has run without stop, making hundreds of millions of dollars for its owners, have never received royalties for that work. Nor have the writers of that other masterpiece of '50s home life, "The Honeymooners." The networks argued then that there was no precedent for it, that the medium was too new. To the studios the idea of equitable payment for writers always seems new.


But peace was made, after the sacrifices of the dedicated people in that strike, and a formula was set that worked for a long time. When video came into being, a new accommodation was made, allowing a small residual for tapes and then DVDs. I am not being hyperbolic when I say "small." For a DVD sold for $19.99, we are paid 4 cents. To put that in perspective, that means that to pay for one tank of gas, a writer needs to sell 1,500 DVDs. To put it another way, it's a penny less than if we returned an empty can of Coke.


We negotiated this formula for DVDs back in 1988, and I think most members of the guild agree that in terms of desired do-overs, it ranks with President Bush's decision to award L. Paul Bremer the Presidential Medal of Freedom. We had been asked by the studios to take a smaller share than we wanted because the video market was new and uncertain and our doing so would help grow the industry. (It sure did. That sector of the industry has boomed, helping many studios coast through bad years on the strength of their video libraries.) To redress what most writers feel was a bad deal, we have asked in this negotiation for 4 more cents per DVD—requiring only the sale of 750 DVDs to fill our gas tanks.


But there is a much bigger issue at stake, because it concerns where the future—and a good deal of the present—is: the Internet. The studios can now sell you a movie, or an episode of a TV series, or a whole series of series, right over your computer. Not only is it convenient for you, it has dramatically reduced the studios' costs: they need not make a videotape, with its plastics and tape and spools and boxes. They need not print and package a DVD, with their team of overzealous shrink-wrappers that make your average DVD harder to get into than Princeton. They have no shipping costs, no storage costs, only the movie or TV show that already exists.


With their costs substantially reduced, this would be the right time to correct the old imbalance of the DVD rate and give writers a share more fairly in line with the level of our contribution. But the studios are not looking to find a more equitable residual rate—it seems they are hoping that the new media will allow them to do away with the idea of residuals altogether.


Right now, if you go online and watch a streaming version of a TV show, the company that owns that property is getting paid by the advertisers whose commercials appear at the top of it. Just like TV, but with one difference: the writers are paid no residual, not even the four cents. The companies say they don't need to pay us for this: it's "promotional." By that I suppose they mean that it promotes the size of their earnings from smaller to larger.


The companies keep saying, "We don't know yet what the new media is." But the concept is very old: movies and TV shows will appear on a screen of some sort (TV, computer, iPod, phone) and people will pay to watch them, either through a direct downloading fee or by watching ads. The companies will make money doing it; otherwise they will not do it. If the companies really thought there was no money to be made in "new media," they'd give us a percentage of it. (Anyone who doubts the companies' faith in the money-making opportunities of the Internet should go to YouTube and look at "Voices of Uncertainty," a pricelessly droll exposure of the way the moguls say one thing to their stockholders and another to us.)


Some friends have asked me, "You'll still have your residuals from TV—isn't the Internet just extra?" But that's the sleight of hand at work here: because of the Internet, networks rerun shows far less often than they used to and put them on the Internet instead, where they can be streamed and bought. There is no contract or definition yet of how we should be paid for that.


We know that the economic boundaries of the Internet are not fully known. That's why we're asking for the simplest and fairest thing, a percentage of what the companies make. If they don't make anything, neither do we. But if they get paid, so should we. It's not a matter of pride. A residual is the difference between solvency and panic for a lot of families: it helps us make our rent, car payments, tuition and health-care costs.


The support within the union for protecting our residuals is very deep. The marches and rallies in L.A. have closed the streets, bringing out thousands of writers. In New York, where I live, the community of film and television writers is much smaller. We have more like a hundred or so people marching each day.

I was marching at Rockefeller Center last week, and two ladies from Indianapolis asked me what the strike was about. I told them. On learning that a lot of our writers were from tony comedy shows like "Saturday Night Live" and "The Daily Show," one of the women asked why our signs weren't funnier. Her friend, who was eating a pretzel she'd bought on the street for a price I'm estimating at 100 times our current DVD residual rate, understood why. She said, "Because this isn't funny."

Douglas McGrath is the writer/director of "Emma," "Nicholas Nickleby" and "Infamous" and the co-author, with Woody Allen, of "Bullets Over Broadway."
 

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you keep saying "different"... different that what exactly? are the above proposals, some of them coming from the studios themselves not dealing directly with revenue gotten from the "online market"? what am I missing here?

Different from what I am saying. I think it's a no-brainer for the union to shoot down a licensing share proposal. They want a piece of the streaming pie.

All the articles say that new media WILL make money, not that it DOES make money. The studios are understandably hesitant to make a deal when they are not sure just how much money they will make. Right now, they are not--they're losing money right now. That's just the reality. Again, that will probably change in 3 years, but the guild is asking for money now, and that's where the problems exist.

Besides being obviously biased, the writer in the previous post is just plain wrong when it comes to where the money from online sales goes to. He seems to think all this money is pure profit, and it isn't. He tries to simplify things and it's a lot more complicated than that.

Some friends have asked me, "You'll still have your residuals from TV—isn't the Internet just extra?" But that's the sleight of hand at work here: because of the Internet, networks rerun shows far less often than they used to and put them on the Internet instead, where they can be streamed and bought. There is no contract or definition yet of how we should be paid for that.

Unfortunately, this is the single biggest reason why there is no money, believe it or not. A studio might make a tiny bit of money from advertisers online, but they are losing audiences on-air (which is happening to every network), with a tremendous loss of revenue. That's why there is nothing to give in the online space. The writers are understandably upset that because of the drop in on-air audience, there isn't as much call for their shows to run in repeats, so they actually lose money because of the internet, just like the studios. Unfortunately, they think that switching their focus to getting money from the internet is the answer, and unfortunately, it isn't it. Even now, television revenue from advertisers is still much, much, much higher than online.
 

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But revenue is revenue, right? If you subscribe to the notion that the show/movie is a product of the writer as much as the studio, then they should be getting a share of online revenues regardless of how small.

Seems to me the way to do it isn't by a defined dollar (cent) amount, but rather a percentage.

But, mine is a WAY outsiders point of view. I really know nothing about it other than what's in that article.
 

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Seems to me the way to do it isn't by a defined dollar (cent) amount, but rather a percentage.

But, mine is a WAY outsiders point of view. I really know nothing about it other than what's in that article.

That's the part I really don't understand...they don't need to know how much money online will rake in in 2012 in order to decide what is fair. What's fair on $100 should be fair on a billion dollars. Find an acceptable percentage and shake on it.

I'm glad I'm *not* involved in that industry...I just want the office back. :(
 

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That's the part I really don't understand...they don't need to know how much money online will rake in in 2012 in order to decide what is fair. What's fair on $100 should be fair on a billion dollars. Find an acceptable percentage and shake on it.

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I hear that.
 

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That's the part I really don't understand...they don't need to know how much money online will rake in in 2012 in order to decide what is fair. What's fair on $100 should be fair on a billion dollars. Find an acceptable percentage and shake on it.

I'm glad I'm *not* involved in that industry...I just want the office back. :(

That seems to be the simple way to do it--give the writer's 1.5% starting in 2012 and be done with it. I believe the writers, though, want that 1.5% starting in 2008. And the studios don't want to do that.

If this strike lasts into March and April, things will get very scary in my office. Online video is my bread and butter, and this strike could affect that if it gets extended to several months.
 
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That seems to be the simple way to do it--give the writer's 1.5% starting in 2012 and be done with it. I believe the writers, though, want that 1.5% starting in 2008. And the studios don't want to do that.

wow. the simple way to do it or the way to do it which completely screws the writers the same way they were screwed with the home video market back in 1988? If there's nothing to be made now, why are the studios worried about giving them 1.5 % of nothing? By 2012, who knows what the landscape will look by then or how much money the studios will have already made off online. The above is to use your own phrase "ridiculous" and quite frankly, it's insulting to the writers.
 

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That seems to be the simple way to do it--give the writer's 1.5% starting in 2012 and be done with it. I believe the writers, though, want that 1.5% starting in 2008. And the studios don't want to do that.

I dont get why starting the 1.5% in 2008 is such a problem. If "no one is making money online" (common theme, not your words) then $0 x 1.5% = $0.

Who knows what could happen by 2012. Maybe the robots will have made us their slaves by then and writer residuals will be the least of our worries.
 

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I dont get why starting the 1.5% in 2008 is such a problem. If "no one is making money online" (common theme, not your words) then $0 x 1.5% = $0.

Who knows what could happen by 2012. Maybe the robots will have made us their slaves by then and writer residuals will be the least of our worries.

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I believe the writers, though, want that 1.5% starting in 2008. And the studios don't want to do that.
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Which makes absolutely no sense. If they would be willing to do it in 5 years, why not now? Since they aren't making anything, what the hell is the problem? This is why Joe Public is mostly siding with the writers...because the reasoning from the studios is a) dumb and b) arrogant. I was reading quotes in EW about the strike and it quoted studio execs saying things like "GE is more worried about a lightbulb worker strike than a writers strike" and "we aren't the ones that will lose cars or homes over this." Paraphrased, because the magazine is at home but GOD what arrogance...over not wanting to fork over percentages for something NOT making money?

If there's nothing to be made now, why are the studios worried about giving them 1.5 % of nothing?

I dont get why starting the 1.5% in 2008 is such a problem. If "no one is making money online" (common theme, not your words) then $0 x 1.5% = $0.


Hell, abomb, my wife and I gave a percentage of our company to bring in a systems designer...right now he's getting a big fat percentage of nothing. If we do nothing, he gets nothing. If we get rich, he gets paid. If we get blind stinking filthy rich, he gets it pretty good. I can't imagine us saying...well, we don't really want you to get that percentage until we start making money...oh, so go ahead and do all the work anyway. Hop to it. :shrug:
 

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What's the reason for choosing 2012 as the starting date?
 

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Which makes absolutely no sense. If they would be willing to do it in 5 years, why not now? Since they aren't making anything, what the hell is the problem? This is why Joe Public is mostly siding with the writers...because the reasoning from the studios is a) dumb and b) arrogant. I was reading quotes in EW about the strike and it quoted studio execs saying things like "GE is more worried about a lightbulb worker strike than a writers strike" and "we aren't the ones that will lose cars or homes over this." Paraphrased, because the magazine is at home but GOD what arrogance...over not wanting to fork over percentages for something NOT making money?

Since everyone is pro-cheese on this thread, this will be the last I say anything of it.

Nothing about this strike makes much sense when you look at the numbers. People are siding with the writers because they are the ones that are out in the media. This "dumb" and "arrogant" crap is insulting to me, which is why I can't stand talking to some of you because you get insulting.

Good luck to the writers, hopefully there will be a quick and good end to this mess.
 

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Since everyone is pro-cheese on this thread, this will be the last I say anything of it.

Nothing about this strike makes much sense when you look at the numbers. People are siding with the writers because they are the ones that are out in the media. This "dumb" and "arrogant" crap is insulting to me, which is why I can't stand talking to some of you because you get insulting.

Good luck to the writers, hopefully there will be a quick and good end to this mess.

It isn't between you and Cheese, chap. It's about the strike. If the studios want to have Joe6Pack "on their side" then they should probably do a bit of PR and not have execs dropping arrogant "lightbulb strike" type comments out there to be printed. Maybe they should explain why their stance is not "dumb" if it is not the stance that is being reported. Or maybe at least explain why they won't agree to a royalty percentage on a medium that in their words "isn't making any money."

If they are being misrepresented, they should probably not turtle and instead get their message out there. Instead, I read about "we aren't the ones that could lose our homes." Seriously...go read the current EW...I'm not making those quotes up. Kind of hard to side with the studios when they a) don't explain the seemingly un-common sense stance and b) drop snide remarks.
 

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Since everyone is pro-cheese on this thread, this will be the last I say anything of it.

Nothing about this strike makes much sense when you look at the numbers. People are siding with the writers because they are the ones that are out in the media. This "dumb" and "arrogant" crap is insulting to me, which is why I can't stand talking to some of you because you get insulting.

Good luck to the writers, hopefully there will be a quick and good end to this mess.


Huh? What are you talking about? This is not a cheese vs. Chaplin battle.

Oh I get it. This must be like the HDDVD hook, line, and sinker thing you said to me right?

I am impartial on this one, just like the HDDVD/Bluray issue.
 
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Since everyone is pro-cheese on this thread, this will be the last I say anything of it.

why are you making this out to be a cheese v. chap thing?

Nothing about this strike makes much sense when you look at the numbers. People are siding with the writers because they are the ones that are out in the media. This "dumb" and "arrogant" crap is insulting to me, which is why I can't stand talking to some of you because you get insulting.

Chap, before anyone even started really even talking about issues, you fired this opening shot:

"There is no online market, hate to break it to people that don't know exactly what is going on.

I agree on the ridiculous royalty issues with DVD, but this whole thing about online revenue is ridiculous, because online doesn't make any money. There's no revenue to share."

I'm pretty sure some people were insulted when you told them a) they don't know what's going on or what they're talking about and b) that the writer's demands are "ridiculous".

But you can't stand some people insulting? Do you even realize how insulting the above post was... as starting material?
 
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Chap, I'm pretty sure some people were insulted when you told them a) they don't know what's going on or what they're talking about back on page 1 or two of this thread and b) that the writer's demands are "ridiculous".

I think Chap has a bright future as a studio exec.
 

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I'll admit I'm not impartial on this one...everything I've read from both sides and common sense makes me hope the writers get what they deserve and ASAP.

I can be impartial, and want one side to come ahead.

I think that the writers should get more than they have been, but that doesn't mean that I will ignore points made by the studios.
 
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